NEWS: Iran's President Calls For Israel's Destruction

Originally posted by intrepid
Yet ANOTHER question, why doesn't MAD apply to Iran? MAD worked in the past, why not here? Sorry, 2 questions.

Because a country whose ideology advocates murder-through-suicide doesn't share the same values about human life and self preservation.

Iran should NEVER be permitted to develope a nuclear arsenal.

This reminds me of a parable:

A scorpion was sitting along side a river trying to figure out how to get to the other side. Along came a beaver and the scorpion asked "Mr. Beaver; would you be so kind as to let me ride on your back to the other side of the river?" "No way!" The beaver retorted. "Why would I do that and risk being stung by you?" The beaver asked. "That would be very stupid of me; now wouldn't it?" The scorpion explained. "If I sting you, you would most certainly drown. Therefore, I would drown too." The beaver couldn't argue with his clear logic. "OK scorpion; hop on and I'll give you a ride." With that, the scorpion crawled onto Mr. Beaver's back and they began their swim across the river.

About half-way across the river, the scorpion raised his stinger and firmly implanted it into the neck of the beaver. Realing in pain and terror, the beaver screamed, "Why did you do that!?!" You stung me and now we're both going to drown! The scorpion replied; "I'm sorry Mr. Beaver. I couldn't help myself. It's in my nature."


[edit on 29-10-2005 by Freedom_for_sum]

Originally posted by stumason
Oh for crying out loud...are you expieriencing some sort of mental block? Timothy Mcvey, OK city bombing, 200 odd killed? Remember? He was some sort of right-wing christian nutjob....

Timothy Mcveigh was a right-wing anti-government conspiracist nut job. While he may have been Christian, he didn't commit the act in the name of his religion or God. He did it simply because he hates the government.

Quit being so belittling you muddle-brained bugger!! You have yet to NAME a right-winged Christian terrorist organization in the US.

Originally posted by stumason

That "table" you linked too is crap. It states the IRA as:

Irish Republican Army (IRA) Incidents 84 Injuries139 Fatalities 29

Only 29 dead? I don't think so. Thats is the death toll from one attack, in Omagh, which was actually a splinter group (the Real IRA).

The MIPT is a reputable organization. The difference in numbers may be due to the "splintering" of groups each having its own totals. In any case, I sent them an email asking this very question. And when they reply, I will post it here.

Stu--you should really consider changing your tone.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum

Originally posted by stumason
Oh for crying out loud...are you expieriencing some sort of mental block? Timothy Mcvey, OK city bombing, 200 odd killed? Remember? He was some sort of right-wing christian nutjob....

Timothy Mcveigh was a right-wing anti-government conspiracist nut job. While he may have been Christian, he didn't commit the act in the name of his religion or God. He did it simply because he hates the government.

Quit being so belittling you muddle-brained bugger!! You have yet to NAME a right-winged Christian terrorist organization in the US.

Nor will he, although im sure they exist they are no where near the threat islamic fascism is, despite whatever brush you would like to paint christians with.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum

Originally posted by stumason
Oh for crying out loud...are you expieriencing some sort of mental block? Timothy Mcvey, OK city bombing, 200 odd killed? Remember? He was some sort of right-wing christian nutjob....

Timothy Mcveigh was a right-wing anti-government conspiracist nut job. While he may have been Christian, he didn't commit the act in the name of his religion or God. He did it simply because he hates the government.

Quit being so belittling you muddle-brained bugger!! You have yet to NAME a right-winged Christian terrorist organization in the US.

Just like those terrorists may have also been Muslim's.

One brush, same stroke.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum

Originally posted by stumason
Oh for crying out loud...are you expieriencing some sort of mental block? Timothy Mcvey, OK city bombing, 200 odd killed? Remember? He was some sort of right-wing christian nutjob....

Timothy Mcveigh was a right-wing anti-government conspiracist nut job. While he may have been Christian, he didn't commit the act in the name of his religion or God. He did it simply because he hates the government.

Quit being so belittling you muddle-brained bugger!! You have yet to NAME a right-winged Christian terrorist organization in the US.

Ok, if we're going to quibble over semantics, as I didn't limit my non-muslim terror groups to US only Christian ones. I have already named Christian ones, such as the LRA in Uganda... But, first lets look at what a dictionary defines a terrorist as :

ter·ror·ist ( P ) (trr-st)
n.
One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

adj.
Of or relating to terrorism.

What is terrorism?

ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons

Ok, taking that one board....

The KKK...Theres a Christian (albeit not in the name of god) terror group.

Christian Identity...heres a nice Christian (in the name of God) group for you:

A relatively new tenet gaining popularity among some radical Christian Identity believers justifies the use of violence if it is perpetrated in order to punish violators of God's law, as found in the Bible and interpreted by Christian Identity ministers and adherents. This includes killing interracial couples, abortionists, prostitutes and homosexuals, burning pornography stores, and robbing banks and perpetrating frauds to undermine the "usury system." Christian Identity adherents engaging in such behavior are referred to as Phineas Priests or members of the Phineas Priesthood. This is an appealing concept to some Christian Identity's members who believe they are being persecuted by a supposed Jewish-controlled U.S. government and society and/or are eagerly preparing for Armageddon.

source

Plus the plethora of White Supremacist groups, some of which are devotely Christian and spout they are the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel and all others must be killed/sugjegated.

Then there is the anti-abortion types, who kill and bomb doctors and surgeries......in the name of God and all that crap.

I would continue, but I have to do my handover at work, so this little muddle-brained bugger must sign off for now

In reference to the Palistians and how they are innocent victums...here ya go.

"JERUSALEM — For the second night in a row, Israel on Friday staged a deadly missile strike against Palestinian militants in the northern Gaza Strip.

Majid Matat, a field operative for the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, was killed when two missiles fired by Israeli aircraft incinerated his white Subaru just after dusk near the town of Beit Hanoun, Palestinian officials and witnesses said. Two of his comrades escaped.

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Matat and his companions had just fired a homemade rocket toward Israel, using an open field as a launching ground, and were driving back toward Gaza City when their vehicle was hit, Palestinian security sources said.

from this -linky:

www.latimes.com...

In reference to the Palistians and how they are innocent victums

Being abit anti-Palestine are we?

What about the innocent children who have been killed by Israeli troops? i remember watching a program which told of Israeli troops shooting innocent chidlren, But are they innoccent?

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum

Originally posted by intrepid
Yet ANOTHER question, why doesn't MAD apply to Iran? MAD worked in the past, why not here? Sorry, 2 questions.

Because a country whose ideology advocates murder-through-suicide doesn't share the same values about human life and self preservation.

Iran should NEVER be permitted to develope a nuclear arsenal.

I brought this point up on the previous page, I wonder how it got overlooked.

If Iran DOES develope a nuke, how do they deploy it to Israel? You've got about 400 miles of American controlled airspace(Iraq). You think anything is going to get past that? Then over either Jordan or Syria, I don't think they would appreciate a violation of their airspace either.

I guess they'll have to send have to send it FedEx.

Cute story BTW but I don't see the relevence.

Originally posted by intrepid
Cute story BTW but I don't see the relevence.

Destruction of others, is in their nature; even if it means self destruction. Guess who the scorpion represents

Originally posted by intrepid
If Iran DOES develope a nuke, how do they deploy it to Israel? You've got about 400 miles of American controlled airspace(Iraq). You think anything is going to get past that? Then over either Jordan or Syria, I don't think they would appreciate a violation of their airspace either.

Go back and read my parable. BTW: I did miss it if you were trying to make the same point I did in your question.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum

Originally posted by intrepid
Cute story BTW but I don't see the relevence.

Destruction of others, is in their nature; even if it means self destruction. Guess who the scorpion represents

Oh, who does it?
Who said it does?
Where does it say that?
What passage in the Qu'Ran claims that Islams symbol is the scorpion?

Originally posted by Odium
Oh, who does it?
Who said it does?
Where does it say that?
What passage in the Qu'Ran claims that Islams symbol is the scorpion?

You're just being obtuse Odium. I was stating that the scorpion represents Iran--but it is interesting that you mistook the metaphore as a symbol of islam.

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum

Originally posted by Odium
Oh, who does it?
Who said it does?
Where does it say that?
What passage in the Qu'Ran claims that Islams symbol is the scorpion?

You're just being obtuse Odium. I was stating that the scorpion represents Iran--but it is interesting that you mistook the metaphore as a symbol of islam.

How does it reprosent Iran?

The only thing it has to do with Iran is being the fourth largest cause of death in the Khuzestan province.

news.bbc.co.uk...

'Iran says it has no intention to attack Israel despite a call by its president to have it "wiped off the map".'

'But it also rejected a UN Security Council statement condemning President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over his remarks.'

Shouting "Death to Israel, death to the Zionists", the protesters dragged Israeli flags along the ground and set them on fire.

If it walks like a duck.....

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
If it walks like a duck.....

Again, what does any of that have to do with Iran being a scorpion?

Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
If it walks like a duck.....

Again, what does any of that have to do with Iran being a scorpion?

He's implying that Iran HAS to destroy Israel because it's their nature. Ignoring the fact that they couldn't even if they REALLY wanted to. Why does that little nugget always get overlooked.

If it walks like a duck.....

Ermm...I KNOW!!

its a cat?

Are you saying the symbol of Islam is now a duck

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
If it walks like a duck.....

Again, what does any of that have to do with Iran being a scorpion?

He's implying that Iran HAS to destroy Israel because it's their nature.

Why a Scorpion?

It has never meant that in mythology...

Originally posted by Odium
Why a Scorpion?

It has never meant that in mythology...

It's an old parable, I've heard it many times over the years.