Ed Asner: 'Hannity's next ... just like we went after Limbaugh'

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Hannity is done. he has to be about the most pompous, arrogant, and braindead commentator Ive ever seen on TV. Even Bill O'Reilly is more entertaining.

I would be happy to see Hannity get covered in the mud he so freely slings about. Im sure it wouldnt be to hard to find dirt on him.

Then go find it and present it.

Originally posted by deluded

Originally posted by zappafan1
Never trust anyone who quotes Chomsky... an avowed Marxist/|Communist.

I feel that staement is out of bounds and someone is owed an apology. There's no need for that type of statement around here. Chomsky has his opinions and some will agree. And the quote that you are referencing

Originally posted by Odium
quote: Noam Chomsky
"For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of 'brainwashing under freedom' to which we are subjected and which all too often we serve as willing or unwitting instruments."

States pretty clearly that we all need to recodnize how "they" (the powers that be) attempt to indoctrinate us into thier desired positions for us. How is that Marxist? How is that not a statement that all of us should, no MUST, attempt to live by lest we become pawns in an enormous chess game? Please temper your statements so they are not percieved as offensive to someone elses opinions.

Thanks

The only person I would tend to offend is Chomsky, at least if he reads this forum I hope I did. He's done much to offend millions, and he ignores those who challenge him with facts. He's a linguistics professor who knows nothing about America, except that he hates it, but he doesn't mind cashing in on "capitolism" when he sells his books. I doubt he's had a "real" job for a very long time.

The only people who become "pawns" are the sheeple, possibly like yourslf, who actually believe that "the.....attempt to indoctrinate us into thier desired positions" is actually factual, unless you allow it to be so. Geez..... just move to Cuba or North Korea, where your utopia truly exists, instead of trying to change America into something it never was.

Oh.. and please show me where in the Bill of Rights where someone has a "right" to not be pffended.

[edit on 28-11-2005 by zappafan1]

Well, Zappafan1, where should I begin with your post?

Let’s start in reverse order;

Originally posted by zappafan1
Never trust anyone who quotes Chomsky... an avowed Marxist/|Communist.

Avowed
To acknowledge openly, boldly, and unashamedly; confess: avow guilt.

I would like a quote, where Chomsky admits to being a Marxist/Communist, since he is clearly an Corporate-Anarchist . Have you spent time to read his writings?

Originally posted by zappafan1
America is not a "Democracy"... never has been and hopefully never will be. It is a Constitutional representative Republic, which has a very few democratic principles at it's core.

Actually, depending on the State you are in you have different levels of democracy available too you. This really isn’t the thread, but you are able to propose laws, amend the constitution, elect representatives , recall representatives and so on and so fourth. It all boils down to knowing what you can and can’t do, a good place to start is The Initiative: Citizen Law-Making. Praeger Publishers by Zimmerman, Joseph F. and Direct Legislation: Voting On Ballot Propositions In The United States by Magleby, David B.

However, let us quickly glance at the two terms:
Republic and Democracy.

To be a Republic [by dictionary definition], you can have one of two things [but there is no need for the second one [Roman Empire as an Example]], they are a Head of State who isn’t a Monarch and/or a Government where the Supreme Body of Power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote.

To be a Democracy, you have to be a Government by the people exercised directly or through elected representatives.

Now, do you see why the words can easily be swapped around? It is basic semantics and the normal way people wish to discredit a debate on the United State’s Government. It seems to happen all to often actually…

Originally posted by zappafan1
In order for Communism to take hold, a democracy must be in place (paraphrased from karl marx.. who was definately on the left). America right now is running 5 of karl marx's planks.... not good.

Actually, for Communism to take hold Socialism has to be in place first. Since the United State’s isn’t a Socialist Nation, then Communism can’t happen. I also find it amusing, that you talk like you have a vast knowledge of Socialist thinking, however you forget to include many things when you discredit Marxism. Things such as how Marx didn’t expect Russia to become a Communist Nation, through the fact it didn’t have a Middle Class. Their was only a Working class and Upper Class divide, how his piece was written about Germany and Nation’s where their was a much larger sphere of influence and a much larger system of Class Conflict.

Why all the fear mongering?

So, why isn’t anything I say worthwhile? Because I quote Chomsky? So, because I agree with a few things he says thus I support his viewpoints? How idiotic is that argument? I agree with a few things the Republican Party say, does that make me a Republic? Of course not, maybe it is a time you begin to deny ignorance and not to proliferate it so much?

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Hannity is done. he has to be about the most pompous, arrogant, and braindead commentator Ive ever seen on TV. Even Bill O'Reilly is more entertaining.

I would be happy to see Hannity get covered in the mud he so freely slings about. Im sure it wouldnt be to hard to find dirt on him.

It seems that the ratings would indicate Assner did nothing to Hannity. Instead of ranting, do some research into some of the things he says, and you'll find most of what he says has some truth to it. You may not like the way he says things, but that has no bearing on the message.

SNIP:"pompous, arrogant, and braindead commentator"..... Good definition of Rather, though.

"One cannot reason without comparing both sides with an open mind".

Originally posted by RANT
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt sleeper and just assume you're intellectually dishonest.

You know that's "right wing" and every bit the Bush administration as it is Stalin or Hitler in spite of you changing the words in my quote.

Guess you know you were wrong now about the political spectrum and had nowhere else to go but dishonest right wing tactics.

Stalin would be proud of you.

[edit on 26-10-2005 by RANT]

Being against murder and/or homos is a moral issue.. right smack in the "center", and has nothing to do with Stalin or Hitler. By the way.. Nazi means national socialism, which is left... way left... almost horizontal.

Did I just read that???

Is there really someone out there who has the audacity to compare the Republican Party to Stalin or Hitler? Thats just ignorance at its best... left Wing propaganda through and through.

And Stalin used the term Democracy, just because you say it and you use its name doesn't make it so children.

Com on, you are here to Deny Ignorance.

Originally posted by LostSailor
Did I just read that???

Is there really someone out there who has the audacity to compare the Republican Party to Stalin or Hitler? Thats just ignorance at its best... left Wing propaganda through and through.

I know, man. Next the liberals will be comparing oranges to tangerines, when oranges and clearly more related to pumpkins. How do I know that? Because I watch Fox and listen to tons of right-wing radio, and they told me that anyone comparing oranges to tangerines is a commie, tree-hugging, peace-loving, compassionate liberal. The guys stuffing all the cash in their pockets want me to believe oranges and tangerines are similar, so I'll believe them intsead.

...Yeah.

bsbray11,

Look man, I base my "opinions" on what I hear through as many media outlets as possible. Everything from This web page here (which I would call about as liberal a media source as possible), to Fox news.

The statement I made earlier was just to point out my "opinion" of the matter at hand. No one here is trying deny that there isn't Right Wing propaganda as well.

Alright, but all propoganda aside, if you study the propoganda policies themselves of the Nazis, as well as their politics and political and social behavior in general, for example, and compare what you learn to modern day American politics, you should find uncanny similarities. Some policies and tactics, granted, you can pin on many western countries, but not all of them.

Also keep in mind that many of the same corporations that backed and made buttloads of $$ of the Nazi's during WW2, are still around and more powerful than every in the US today, and many Nazis leaders and scientists found safe haven in the US after WW2. You may have heard of the Nazi scientists brought over after WW2 with the excuse that the Soviets would have gotten them. Sound familiar? Like rocket scientists, etc. that worked under programs funded by the Nazis. Well, they weren't the only guys of interest brought over. We brought over some guys that specialized in a sort of psychology, you could say, as well.

And then of course Bush's grandad, Prescott, banked for the Nazis out of New England until his assets were seized by the US after we entered WW2. Bush's grandad, for Christ's sake! That's where a lot of that family's money has come down from.

Don't think that Nazism could never establish itself in the US under a different name. If we all made that assumption, and a great many of people do, or would never think twice about it, then we may become one of the finest examples of history repeating itself from sheer ignorance. The fact that the Nazis have been so villanized and dehumanized by history has apparently led many people to falsely believe that their coming to power in Germany was a singular, unreproducible event. But reality holds that the Nazis, and the people that allowed them to take power, were every bit as human as we Americans are today. And we are subject to the same types of manipulation that the Germans were.

Maybe we shouldn't simply brush off any claims of similarity between republicans and Nazis as "liberal propogranda." If there were any truth behind it, or even the just possibility, though I'm sure you won't think there is anyway, then don't you think we owe the rest of the world to entertain the idea deeply just to be on the safe side of things?

Originally posted by bsbray11
Also keep in mind that many of the same corporations that backed and made buttloads of $$ of the Nazi's during WW2, are still around and more powerful than every in the US today, and many Nazis leaders and scientists found safe haven in the US after WW2.

Yes, if we didn't bring those scientists to the US, they would have gone to the Russians. We can thank a Nazi scientist for winning the space race. One thing you failed to mention; That most of these scientists that switched allegiance after the war were also "forced" to work for the Nazis. The leaders finding safe haven in the US? I'll have to do some research on this I guess. I thought most of them lived out their lives in South America or 3rd world countries.

As far as Political psychology... yeah I'll go along with that. Politicians will be politicians. But, in todays modern world of 24 hour news channels and internet message boards; I don't think a man like Hitler would be able to rise to power in the same fashion. Certainly not in the US.

Originally posted by bsbray11
And then of course Bush's grandad, Prescott, banked for the Nazis out of New England until his assets were seized by the US after we entered WW2. Bush's grandad, for Christ's sake! That's where a lot of that family's money has come down from.

We are a Capitalist country... You think Hitler just fooled his own people? Just because in the past some money was made off the Nazis (before they went on their rampage across Eastern Europe might I add) should not warrant an accusation of being a Nazi.

Originally posted by bsbray11
Maybe we shouldn't simply brush off any claims of similarity between republicans and Nazis as "liberal propogranda." If there were any truth behind it, or even the just possibility, though I'm sure you won't think there is anyway, then don't you think we owe the rest of the world to entertain the idea deeply just to be on the safe side of things?

We don't have to brush off any claims, thats the point of a web site such as this. You can entertain any ideas you wish in order to be on the safe sides of things. I, personally, don't brush off claims unless i deem them to be out of context so to speak. There is a difference between "mudslinging" and "constructive criticism."

Actually, LostSailor, money was made off of the Nazi's both prior to them going on a rampage and after it - in fact, money was still made after they were 'beaten'.

Take example the engines which were taken and built by the Nazi's, the scientists, without looking at direct involvement by groups such as Union Banking.

Then you can look at the eugenics policy of the United State's up to the 1970's...like it or not the Nazi's did do the same thing, the only major difference was the level it was done on. The United State's also was involved in genocide of people - such as many Native American tribes.

Originally posted by Odium
The United State's also was involved in genocide of people - such as many Native American tribes.

Yeah... Genocide is a pretty harsh term to call fighting for a homeland. At that particular time in history not much was known about the "Indians" accept they killed you for being "white." Call it what you will... but genocide is not what I would call it.

I dont doubt Hannity is on somebodys hit list= EVERY disgusting hatred filled show i have listened to he always said:
"Hey look, im no saint- i've done things in the past and i was foolish"= I got news for you Sean, if this is your idea of cya it wont work.
I can only imagine the dirt on him.

Originally posted by LostSailor
Yeah... Genocide is a pretty harsh term to call fighting for a homeland. At that particular time in history not much was known about the "Indians" accept they killed you for being "white." Call it what you will... but genocide is not what I would call it.

Not all Native American tribes were hostile. I would say the majority were peaceful but I wouldn't really know that. I am under the impression though, that most tribes were peaceful. Especially around the east. I have a great respect for Native American cultures because of their respect for other human beings, and animals, and all of nature, unlike a certain other culture to which I belong, that have come to dominate the world by taking advantage of such peoples.

It was their homeland. We took it. By killing the millions of them. They were, initially, very friendly to us. Unfortunately they also had land that we wanted. They hardly knew the concept of land being owned, or belonging to one person, before they were being killed over it.

Originally posted by dgtempe
I dont doubt Hannity is on somebodys hit list= EVERY disgusting hatred filled show i have listened to

he always said:
"Hey look, im no saint- i've done things in the past and i was foolish"= I got news for you Sean, if this is your idea of cya it wont work.
I can only imagine the dirt on him.

I'm still waiting for the "dirt" on Hannity. I think it will be a long wait. If anyone finds it, please U2U me.
"...Hate filled shows"? 'ya don't shoot the messenger for the message he/she carries. If you'd check, most of the things on "those shows" are rellevent, accurate, and come from a lot of sources, 98% of them credible..... but you won't check them out, of course, if you disagree wth the results and what you find.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by RANT

Just so you also know, these guys you hate pass things like "Patriot Acts" and new laws so they can hold people without any charges indefinitely or be able to torture them. They also like to consolidate power and have laws passed to give them more power and they like to appoint cronies they can trust in powerful positions as puppets to do what they say. And they pick out a minorty to blame all the evils of society on in order to keep the people angry, you know... in defense of "people power."


[edit on 26-10-2005 by RANT]

You describe left-wing communism to the T.

Actually he described the right-wing elements of Communism to a T. The left-wing elements of it are things like guaranteed jobs, guaranteed medical care, communal farming, and so on, which haven't even been discussed here.

You might note in passing the similarity between those right-wing elements of Communism and recent behavior of our own government. Is Bush, then, a commie?

I have no problem with homosexuals, or women who wish to be president or have an abortion, and I am not a left-winger.

In respect to those issues, yes, you are!

Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
The left-wing elements of it are things like guaranteed jobs, guaranteed medical care, communal farming, and so on, which haven't even been discussed here.

You describe a washing machine, it has a guaranteed job and a maintenance plan. It gets worked until it wears out.

Humans are not machines, humans are individuals, you can't heard them and treat them like animals, or robots.

Left wingers treat everyone the same---equal, people are different, not all of us want someone to blow our noses, and wipe our butts for us----some of us need more freedom than that, and are willing to do the things that allow freedom, like free market Capitalism.

Under socialism and communism you are told what you will do where you will work and what you will get in return for your work, where you will live and what if any freedoms you will have.

If you want that kind of life fine, there are many countries that offer it.

Unions and the left Democrats are doing their best to destroy capitalism and impose socialism here in the states----if they succeed then you will have your utopia. And those who value freedom will have to get use to living like cattle.

I have no problem with homosexuals, or women who wish to be president or have an abortion, and I am not a left-winger.

In respect to those issues, yes, you are!

I am no left-winger, nor right-winger

I don't need religion to save me, nor do I need left-wingers to wipe my butt for me.


The left and the right are in many respects one and the same, one needs to be saved form the devil, the other needs to be protected from the boogie man.

The mind is a terrible thing to waste, why then do so many people waste it living in paranoia---vill.

Good reply, Sleeper. You are absolutely correct. Also, history (and current events in many countries) shows that Communism/Socialism/Marxism doesn't work. You must consider that those three things are being taught in schools and colleges, and have been for the last 35 years.

Basically, they're selling a "defective product" in what they teach, and our tax dollars fund it. It's time to ask for our money back!!

Communism has only killed 100 million people in the last century... lets give it another chance.

There is no "right" to a job, a house, a car, an education... or medical care for that matter (but it seems we're stuck with that one).

Nowhere else on the planet do people have the freedoms to better themselves, or create as much wealth for themselves. There will always be those who "feel" that they have a "right" to things, just because they exist, and that others should fork over their hard-earned money to pay for it.

We each are the captains of our own boat. We can steer it onto the rocks, or sail on clear waters. Don't ask me to pay for it if you hit the rocks and wreck it.

Thanks zappafan1


The great thing about Capitalism is that we have the best of both worlds. We are free to pursue our dreams, or our nightmares.

And for those who falter for whatever reason Capitalism creates more than enough money for a safety net.

Capitalism also allows for freeloaders, America spends billions every year taking care of people who can't take care of themselves and those that don't want to take care of themselves.

What's mind boggling is that those same people who have been living for free are the same people who are the most dissatisfied.

Instead of getting off their butts and making a better life they would rather sink the ship by voting into office leftwing politicians.

I live in a large American city and all the public housing----thousands of units are all new, they rebuild public housing every few years or tear it down and build new units.

These are nice places; they are not like the first ones where people were stacked in high-rises----like in most Socialist European cities today.

Theses are one level houses that would cost $200, 000 each if you had to buy one.
Yet the people who live in them for free----not all---but enough of them trash out the places.

I live near one of these government housing nightmares, built new only five years ago and already it looks like a war zone, graffiti, trash in the yards and streets, gun-fire, day and night.

Apparently free housing, free health, free food, free education----is not enough.

Perhaps they hate Capitalism because they don’t get to live in mansions with servants----for free.