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Ed Asner: 'Hannity's next ... just like we went after Limbaugh'

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posted on Oct, 26 2005 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Full Metal
Poor Poor Bush Bots, even they get caught lying, just like the people they worship get caught.


And you would be a Michel More Bot?

You people are so ashamed of your past manly communism that you are inventing a new history. Sadly a bunch of bozos are sucking it up like candy on Halloween night.

The failure of our schools is coming home to roost, which is apparent by left thinking failures, looking to blame everyone else for their problems.

Now when it comes to lying, you full metal, are probably a pro so don’t cast any stones. Go ahead deny it if you can.




posted on Oct, 26 2005 @ 08:44 PM
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Re-write history?

Sorry mate, both my parents have masters in history, I have a second in history and politics. I know more on this issue than most people ever will do.

Look at what is classed as "Right-wing" look at the actions of "Stalin".

If people even bother to look into Capitalism, they will see what happens when one group has enough money to buy another, so on and so fourth until you are left with one industry. This is what Capitalism brings and that is what Stalin brought with him.

You can attempt to re-write history, all you like but I am game to play if you wish to roll the dice kid.

Stalinist Ideology is classed as "Right-Wing" otherwise Nazism isn't classed as "Right-Wing". In fact, things like repression of political opponents is something that can't be placed on those who are "Left-Wing" because most people who are on the "Far to Middle" of the "Left-Wing" wish to allow all to have their say, no matter what they are saying. Something Stalin didn't agree with.

In fact, if you knew so much about politics and the U.S.S.R. [which I might point out my family fled from], you would know that Nikita Khrushchev in 1956 spoke of making the U.S.S.R. more liberal and more left-wing, because it wasn't in many of his internal speeches.



posted on Oct, 26 2005 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Odium
Re-write history?

Sorry mate, both my parents have masters in history, I have a second in history and politics. I know more on this issue than most people ever will do.



We use what we learn to make a case for what we believe in, you believe in left ideology; therefore you will make your education fit your beliefs.

Stalin was left-wing, he was a tyrant, he was a nut job, he was paranoid, but most of all he was left-wing.

The left hates Capitalism, Stalin hated Capitalism, The left hates Israel, and Hitler hated Israel, the terrorist hate Israel. Stalin, Hitler, the terrorist, and the lefties have many things in common.

Communism is left-wing, how anyone can try and say different is mind boggling.

Capitalism is the only way to democracy, everything else has failed, kill Capitalism and you kill democracy.

The left is trying to kill Capitalism----they must hate democracy.

Therefore the left is evil.

The left is a wolf in sheep clothing, selling the uneducated a bill of goods.



posted on Oct, 27 2005 @ 09:15 AM
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sleeper, what bull# is that.

How do you explain Ancient Greece? Also if you knew anything, you would know I am not "Left-Wing" but a centrist.


Again, you run your mouth without any knowledge of the subject.


Originally posted by sleeper
The left hates Capitalism, Stalin hated Capitalism, The left hates Israel, and Hitler hated Israel, the terrorist hate Israel. Stalin, Hitler, the terrorist, and the lefties have many things in common.


How do you work that one out?

I am sorry, but you would be laughed out of my politics class. The "Left-Wing" has interests in a lot more things than capitalism and Israel has nothing to do with "Left-Wing" politics.

Secondly, Israel didn't exist till after Hitler died. It is hard for him to hate a state that wasn't there. In fact, the area was owned between the British and the French during the period.

I like the way you are trying to make it seem as though Hitler was left-wing though, by your littlte statements. Keep it up it is rather funny.

[edit on 27/10/2005 by Odium]



posted on Nov, 9 2005 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by Odium
sleeper, what bull# is that.

How do you explain Ancient Greece? Also if you knew anything, you would know I am not "Left-Wing" but a centrist.


Again, you run your mouth without any knowledge of the subject.


Originally posted by sleeper
The left hates Capitalism, Stalin hated Capitalism, The left hates Israel, and Hitler hated Israel, the terrorist hate Israel. Stalin, Hitler, the terrorist, and the lefties have many things in common.


How do you work that one out?

I am sorry, but you would be laughed out of my politics class. The "Left-Wing" has interests in a lot more things than capitalism and Israel has nothing to do with "Left-Wing" politics.

Secondly, Israel didn't exist till after Hitler died. It is hard for him to hate a state that wasn't there. In fact, the area was owned between the British and the French during the period.

I like the way you are trying to make it seem as though Hitler was left-wing though, by your littlte statements. Keep it up it is rather funny.

[edit on 27/10/2005 by Odium]



I don't suppose you'd consider the death of 6.5 Million Jews as an attempt to actually prevent the birth of Israel as a nation? Jews had been running from Germany to Palistine since the mid-1920s Why else put them in Ghettos and Death Camps...not to keep them segregated from the general, presumably "wholesome" Teutonic population...but to keep them from running to America and Palestine? You think Hitler was too stupid to figure out their logic? Even into the Mid 1940's, the Jews already in Palistine were making phenomenal strides in agriculture, on land bought and paid for, with money funneled from Europe.

Yes, Hitler knew where all of this was going, and was Hellbent to stop it!

[edit on 9-11-2005 by Toelint]



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 04:14 AM
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This logic is so #ed up it hurts.


Originally posted by sleeper
We use what we learn to make a case for what we believe in, you believe in left ideology; therefore you will make your education fit your beliefs.


I think you're taking what education means to you and incorrectly assuming that it means the same to everybody else.


Stalin was left-wing, he was a tyrant, he was a nut job, he was paranoid, but most of all he was left-wing.

The left hates Capitalism, Stalin hated Capitalism, The left hates Israel, and Hitler hated Israel, the terrorist hate Israel. Stalin, Hitler, the terrorist, and the lefties have many things in common.


A -> B, C -> B
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A -> C

This is a logical fallacy. I hope you see why.

And the left does not hate Israel, we just think they should be accountable for human rights abuses.


Communism is left-wing, how anyone can try and say different is mind boggling.


Communist economics are left wing, the social policies of communist governments tend to be right wing.


Capitalism is the only way to democracy, everything else has failed, kill Capitalism and you kill democracy.


Democracy can only be killed if you take away essential freedoms like free speech and voting rights. America would still continue to be a democracy if all it's citizens decided to vote in an economically Communist government. Now if our government decided to start taking away our constitutional rights (which it's doing right now) we'd risk killing democracy.


The left is trying to kill Capitalism----they must hate democracy.

Therefore the left is evil.


See above. Capitalism =/= Democracy, and Capitalism =/= Good. Capitalism is simply an economic system, just like Communism, both are amoral.


The left is a wolf in sheep clothing, selling the uneducated a bill of goods.


You keep telling yourself that.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 04:30 AM
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Toelint, millions of other people were killed not just Jewish people but if you decide to focus upon them we can play that game. However being Russian, I tend to care more about the millions of Russian's who died and are not acknowledged by the British Government or even taught about in the British Education system.

Why would Hitler care if the Jews had Israel [Palestine] or not?
Did he like Muslim's owning it?

Why did Germany trade Jews for German POW's? Knowing they were being sent to Israel if your arguement is true? Doesn't that show it being the other way around?

Hitler wanted the Jews gone from Germany and then the World. If you read the books he published and read any of his speeches, you'll see that as long as they were out of Germany he was happy...

See, you forget that many German's couldn't leave due to economic reasons or didn't wish to leave Germany. For the Nazi's working them to death and forcing them to make [cheap] goods was better than spending millions to ship them somewhere else...



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 04:36 AM
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Furthermore, Functionalists point to the fact that in the 1930s, Nazi policy aimed at trying to make life so unpleasant for German Jews that they would leave Germany. Not until October 3, 1941 were German Jews forbidden to leave, when Reinhard Heydrich issued a order to that effect . Adolf Eichmann was in charge of faciliating Jewish emigration by whatever means possible from 1937 on. Functionalists point to the SS's support for a time in the late 1930s for Zionist groups as the preferred solution to the "Jewish Question" as another sign that there was no masterplan for genocide. The SS only ceased their support for German Zionist groups in May 1939 when Joachim von Ribbentrop informed Hitler of this, and Hitler ordered Himmler to cease and desist as the creation of Israel was not a goal Hitler thought worthy of German foreign policy.


I can go on and on showing source after source displaying how he didn't care about Israel. It held no purpose to the Reich in the short-term.



posted on Nov, 21 2005 @ 08:35 AM
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America is not a "Democracy"... never has been and hopefully never will be. It is a Constitutional representative Republic, which has a very few democratic principles at it's core.

In order for Communism to take hold, a democracy must be in place (paraphrased from karl marx.. who was definately on the left). America right now is running 5 of karl marx's planks.... not good.

What has troubled me most in the last 40 years is that America now has one "American" party, Republican, and one "European Socialist" party, the left.

Never trust anyone who quotes Chomsky... an avowed Marxist/|Communist.



posted on Nov, 21 2005 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by zappafan1
Never trust anyone who quotes Chomsky... an avowed Marxist/|Communist.


I feel that staement is out of bounds and someone is owed an apology. There's no need for that type of statement around here. Chomsky has his opinions and some will agree. And the quote that you are referencing


Originally posted by Odium
quote: Noam Chomsky
"For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of 'brainwashing under freedom' to which we are subjected and which all too often we serve as willing or unwitting instruments."


States pretty clearly that we all need to recodnize how "they" (the powers that be) attempt to indoctrinate us into thier desired positions for us. How is that Marxist? How is that not a statement that all of us should, no MUST, attempt to live by lest we become pawns in an enormous chess game? Please temper your statements so they are not percieved as offensive to someone elses opinions.

Thanks



posted on Nov, 27 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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Hannity is done. he has to be about the most pompous, arrogant, and braindead commentator Ive ever seen on TV. Even Bill O'Reilly is more entertaining.

I would be happy to see Hannity get covered in the mud he so freely slings about. Im sure it wouldnt be to hard to find dirt on him.



posted on Nov, 27 2005 @ 05:49 PM
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Hannity is done. he has to be about the most pompous, arrogant, and braindead commentator Ive ever seen on TV. Even Bill O'Reilly is more entertaining.

I would be happy to see Hannity get covered in the mud he so freely slings about. Im sure it wouldnt be to hard to find dirt on him.



posted on Nov, 27 2005 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by RANTAll authoritarians (dictators, fascists, people that exterminate their enemies, restrict civil liberties, make religion either illegal or mandatory) are on the right wing of the libertarian spectrum.



That's not only flatly wrong, but contrary to your own earlier statement.

The most accurate representation of poltical beliefs is indeed "four-cornered." So either you don't really understand plane geometry, or you're misrepresenting the reality of that graph in order to further some personal issue that you have with the right wing. I suspect it's the latter, but either way:

"Left" and "right," on a graphical representation of political views defines one's stance regarding economic and social issues. It follows the traditional left/right distinctions-- socialism vs. capitalism, communism vs. private ownership, societal responsibility vs. individual responsibility. The other axis-- the y axis doesn't run left to right, but up and down. It defines the extent to which one desires the state to impose and enforce one's views of how society and government should be structured. It runs from libertarian at the bottom to authoritarian at the top. Authoritarianism is NOT inherrently right-wing-- it can nominally just as easily be either left or right-wing, since it's an entirely separate axis.

And honestly, left-wing authoritarianism is FAR more common than right-wing, simply because left-wing beliefs (public ownership of property, redistribution of wealth, social programs) require the existence of a large, active and dominant state. It's virtually impossible to have a truly authoritarian system combined with laissez faire capitalism, private ownership of property and personal responsibility.


You're going to have a really hard time finding a civil libertarian left wing Dictator in any history books. But I'll wait...


Of course one won't find such a thing, since libertarian is at the opposite end of the scale from authoritarian. Really all you've done here is to play a semantic game by defining your theoretical dictator as "civil libertarian." You might as well have asked for an example of a red apple that's blue.

Left-wing dictators-- that is, rulers who fall on the left side of the x-axis and at the top of the y-axis-- are a dime a dozen-- Mao, Lenin and Castro would be just a few quick examples.



posted on Nov, 27 2005 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Odium
...most people who are on the "Far to Middle" of the "Left-Wing" wish to allow all to have their say, no matter what they are saying.


Sorry man, but that's just wrong.

The political left invests enormous time and energy into silencing their opposition. The whole idea behind "hate speech" legislation is to make it illegal-- to silence through the use or the threat of the use of force-- an entire range of opinions that those on the left find offensive. That's blatant censorship, and it's promoted almost exclusively by those on the left.

The last forum I posted to was destroyed specifically by a concerted effort among the left-wing posters to silence those on the right by filing abuse reports against them until their accounts were disabled. As a relative moderate, though a libertarian one, I was not specifically targeted, but I had to leave anyway, simply because the atmosphere was too oppressive. NOBODY could express any conservative viewpoint without facing the ire of a group of left-wing censorious thugs who very specifically did NOT "wish to allow all to have their say."

I wrote extensively on the subject in my last days there specifically because it wasn't limited only to that board, but is representative of something that I see all over the country, and all over the world. It wouldn't take any time at all to do a quick Google search and find dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of censorship imposed by the left.



posted on Nov, 27 2005 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by ShakyaHeirCommunist economics are left wing, the social policies of communist governments tend to be right wing.


Flatly wrong. The social policies of communist governments are entirely left-wing. Right wing social policies are centered on individual responsibility while left wing social policies are centered on the state's responsibility for the people. Communism is predicated on the notion of the state's responsibility for the people, rather than their responsibility for themselves, and is therefore entirely left-wing.


Democracy can only be killed if you take away essential freedoms like free speech and voting rights. America would still continue to be a democracy if all it's citizens decided to vote in an economically Communist government. Now if our government decided to start taking away our constitutional rights (which it's doing right now) we'd risk killing democracy.


Communism is not an economic system-- it's a social system. The economic system you're thinking of is socialism.

And, for the record, both you and the original poster are both right and wrong. It is entirely possible to have a nominal democracy under a socialist economic system, at least insofar as one could still vote for the candidate of one's choice. However, under a socialist economic system, the citizen, being entirely dependant on the state for his/her survival, has no real leverage. Much of my personal freedom comes from the fact that I can choose to work for whoever I wish, whenever I wish and however I wish, and I can use the profit from my work to buy property that is, nominally at least (there's a point here about property taxes, but I'll save that for another post), mine. In a socialist system, I would be entirely dependant on the state. They would decide for whom I might work and for what and I would only receive whatever they decided to give me. Nothing would be truly mine-- it would all belong to the state, and it would be to them to choose to grant me, or not, the use of their property and their services.


To be fair, the left doesn't actually hate capitalism-- they, for the most part, don't even know what capitalism actually is. They've been told that the current system in the US is capitalism, and they rightly hate that, but the truth is that it's NOT capitalism. It's mercantilism heading toward fascism.

True capitalism is a rare creature, and it truly is the path to freedom. That's why it's so rare...



(edited to fix quote tags)



[edit on 27-11-2005 by Bob LaoTse]



posted on Nov, 27 2005 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
Why would they even bother with Hannity? Did you not see him get punked out by Jon Stewart? Stick a fork in the guy he is done


I didn't see.
But I want to.

Is there anywhere online I can find that? Or a transcript or something?



posted on Nov, 27 2005 @ 11:21 PM
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I would go further then "Bob LaoTse" and state all Forms of political parties Censor "Free speech". (Including my own "libertarian" party. In its endless addiction to make "pot" have No bad side effects.).

Sorry to state. But every Forum, I have belonged too. Was either torpedoed by the left "PC" crowd, or the right "moral police" crowd. So The Right is far from innocent, In my experience.

Lets state a Few Facts. The "Terms" liberalism or conservativism are "recent Terms". And Forcing Societies to Become "modes of modern thought". Is intellectual dishonesty at its Best. (The Athenian Greek Republic was a Representative "republic" of rich Rulers. Slaves, Barbarians, Woman had no "Universal suffrage" and were mere Animals for The Rich Man Homo\Hetero Use. This is far from the "liberalism\Conservatism" of today. And properly Far closer to the Iranian Mullah. Then any American\Euro form of Government.

And a Simple Statement. USSR Means Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It Is a Socialist Marxism Form of Government. And it was engineered by Stalin, Linen, etc. It Is leftist Based. Much like the Mercantile Imperialism of Yesterday seems to be the "goal" of the Neo-con's.

And God Thus "spoketh" This link:

en.wikipedia.org...

And Now I return you to the Left\Right hate fest.



posted on Nov, 28 2005 @ 12:18 AM
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Great thread and a quick note on the term's left and right. They mean completely different things in different countries and have switched meaing throughoutt history and continue to do so.

And in regards to sleepers post earlier
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Capitalism is the only way to democracy, everything else has failed, kill Capitalism and you kill democracy. "

Where do you live? The majority of nations on earth are a mix of capitalism and socialism. Europe/Canada leans more socialist and America more capitalist but the two systems work together. Pure capitalism and pure socialism will seriously hamper democracy. Sorry but IMO your stement was utter nonesense!



posted on Nov, 28 2005 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by sleeper
The left believes that they are the only way to utopia, the problem is that all the left tyrants (you can call them whatever you want, they are still left) have murdered and enslaved their people----it's all in the history books, no not the new age history fantasy books.


Funny, since all of the history textbooks I've seen describe the Nazis as right winged. In fact, the Nazis despised leftists themselves, and when they burned the Reichstag, they blamed Communists and had Germany in an uproar over the so-called threat of Communism (not unlike the so-called terrorist threat today). This is real history. To suggest Hitler was a left-winger is sheer ignorance of Nazism.



posted on Nov, 28 2005 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
Stalin wasn't left wing.

Sorry to dash your dreams and crush them within the palm of my hand, but Stalin was heavily right-wing.

Anti-homosexual, anti-religion, etc, etc. :|

In fact, he hated the freedom so much he was very anti-left wing and his own views are more right than Nazism.

But shush...we can all pretend.


You just seem to be so off base, possiblt because you read so much in the media, or got it from your college professor.
Being Anti-homosexual, isn't on the "right", it's in the center, and a morally correct position to be in. Anti-religion, in case you haven't noticed, is on the left.
Communism, |Socialism, Marxism are all left.



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