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Originally posted by Amorymeltzer
Just about the stupidest thing you could even talk about doing...
Originally posted by Amethyst
Vermont Votes to Secede from Union
Although the resolution is the first step in the long process that needs support from the state legislators - as well as an officially recognized convention - the grass roots group called the Second Vermont Republic passed the following citizen's resolution:
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by Amethyst
Vermont Votes to Secede from Union
Wow, what an incredibly horrible case of misreporting. And from Rense, how....uncharacteristic.
The state and people of vermont did not vote for secession. A couple of yahoos had a meeting.
Although the resolution is the first step in the long process that needs support from the state legislators - as well as an officially recognized convention - the grass roots group called the Second Vermont Republic passed the following citizen's resolution:
This 2nd Repbulic is a group of, at most 160 people.
There is no provision for secession in the constitution. Secession is illegal.
If vermont wants to leave the protections of the federal government, then NY should renew its claims of ownership. New Hampsire might do so too, and then Congress would have to decide who gets to annex it.
Originally posted by abeyer
But there is nothing in the Constitution regarding secession either way, which according to the 10th Amendment leaves the legality and procedures for secession up to the respective state to determine.
Im not sure whether New York or New Hampshire could reclaim ownership after they legally gave it up,
If that is possible tho' my guess is that it would be divided partially into both states, with NH getting the more populated half.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by abeyer
But there is nothing in the Constitution regarding secession either way, which according to the 10th Amendment leaves the legality and procedures for secession up to the respective state to determine.
Perhaps, however, look at how the Articles of Confederation were done away with. But, overall, what right does the state have to tell people that want to be americans, after the state signed into the US, that now they don't get to be in it? If there was 100% agreement to leave, might be a different story. The most legal way would be to have it settled by Congress all toghether.
Im not sure whether New York or New Hampshire could reclaim ownership after they legally gave it up,
It was given up into a state tho, now, without vermont being a state represented by Congress, it'd be up for bid.
If that is possible tho' my guess is that it would be divided partially into both states, with NH getting the more populated half.
Or it could all go to NY, because NY would have more influence in the Congress that is deciding it. But thats entirely open to debate.
Originally posted by abeyer
I agree with you on that point, we need a national procedure for procedure.
Originally posted by junglejake
Originally posted by abeyer
I agree with you on that point, we need a national procedure for procedure.
We have one, and it was established long before the Civil war. In 1794 there was a rebellion against the federal government in western Pennsylvania. The rebellion was dubbed the Whiskey Rebellion, and George Washington personally rode troops to crush it. It was the first time the nation had ever used its military on its own citizens, and probably the first and last time the president of the United States personally led troops into battle.
Thus, precedent was established with George Washington, not Abe Lincoln. It just so happened that Abe's problem was substantially larger than Washington's.
The procedure is simple: Rebel against the US, also known as secede, say hello to the American military.