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The Future of Kosovo?

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posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:02 PM
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This is the problem that hasn't gone away. It's been six years since the NATO alliance went to war with Serbia to stop ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Ever since then Kosovo has been an international protectorate. Now the UN has given the go ahead for final status negotiations to begin. However each of the opposing sides has taken intractable positions on the future of Kosovo. The Albanians want independence the Serbs want to stay within Serbia offering instead "more than autonomy less than independence".

news.bbc.co.uk...

I have a few questions regarding this subject.

1. Is a mutually agreeable solution possible?
2. If so what do you bleieve that solution would be?
3. If not is it possible that Kosovo would once again erupt into violence and hatred?




posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by danwild6
I have a few questions regarding this subject.

1. Is a mutually agreeable solution possible?
2. If so what do you bleieve that solution would be?
3. If not is it possible that Kosovo would once again erupt into violence and hatred?


1. Sadly not with the current view of the population - and that mainly on the behalf of the majority of Albanian ethnicity. Until now they are neither willing to return to the historic status as autonomous province of Serbia, nor to accept a divison of the province into Serbian- and Albanian-controlled areas. A complete switch to the status of province of either Serbia or Albania is not acceptable by the opposite side.

2. The easiest solution would be a complete split of the country in a Serbian majority region in the north (which would become a serbian province again) and an Albanian region which would become a province of Albania - on the basis of reports on political stability over the past years I do not believe that the Kosovo could become a peaceful independent country. IMO the best solution for the future good of Kosovo would be to return to Serbian province status - but there is too much Albanian opposition against that now and for years to come.

3. Yes, without a solution to the ethnical conflicts in the country a civil war would be imminent if the Kosovo would become an independent country without international military authority. The Albanians have shown a great deal of nationalism against Serbs in the past years (which of course is partly understandable).
Apart from the knowledge gained from international media, a few years ago I have been to Bosnia-Hercegovina where there still could erupt a civil war, the country still is under a "truce" between the ethnical groups and split into 3-4 regions, each under main authority of the conflicting groups; and I have spoken to a load of people who have been to the Kosovo (as peacekeepers or in civil functions) and they assured me that the situation in the Kosovo is even worse and the region is still on the verge of a civil war.

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I hold the opinion that democratic Serbia nowadays is the best guarantee for prosperity and peace in the region - but of course they erased their chances on political supremacy over the region with their actions since Tito passed away. Maybe in 10-20 years to come enough trust in Serbia can be restored - a major power in that region is needed to provide peaceful coexistence (which at the moment is KFOR and SFOR).



posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Lonestar24

Originally posted by danwild6
I have a few questions regarding this subject.

1. Is a mutually agreeable solution possible?
2. If so what do you bleieve that solution would be?
3. If not is it possible that Kosovo would once again erupt into violence and hatred?


1. Sadly not with the current view of the population - and that mainly on the behalf of the majority of Albanian ethnicity. Until now they are neither willing to return to the historic status as autonomous province of Serbia, nor to accept a divison of the province into Serbian- and Albanian-controlled areas. A complete switch to the status of province of either Serbia or Albania is not acceptable by the opposite side.


I agree the population in question hold way to much anamosity towards each other right now for there to be a mutually agreeable solution.


Originall posted by Lonestar24
2. The easiest solution would be a complete split of the country in a Serbian majority region in the north (which would become a serbian province again) and an Albanian region which would become a province of Albania - on the basis of reports on political stability over the past years I do not believe that the Kosovo could become a peaceful independent country. IMO the best solution for the future good of Kosovo would be to return to Serbian province status - but there is too much Albanian opposition against that now and for years to come.


Also in agreement I think in the long run it will be the partition of Kosovo into respective provinces of Serbia and Albania. I don't think the Albanians will ever consent to simply becoming a part of Serbia again even if its an autonomous part.


Originally posted by Lonestar24
3. Yes, without a solution to the ethnical conflicts in the country a civil war would be imminent if the Kosovo would become an independent country without international military authority. The Albanians have shown a great deal of nationalism against Serbs in the past years (which of course is partly understandable).
Apart from the knowledge gained from international media, a few years ago I have been to Bosnia-Hercegovina where there still could erupt a civil war, the country still is under a "truce" between the ethnical groups and split into 3-4 regions, each under main authority of the conflicting groups; and I have spoken to a load of people who have been to the Kosovo (as peacekeepers or in civil functions) and they assured me that the situation in the Kosovo is even worse and the region is still on the verge of a civil war.


Richard Holbrooke seems to believe that Bosnia will not erupt again. I'm not sure if I agree with him there is still alot of anamosity there too. In Kosovo the wounds are fresher and the skew in terms of the size between the belligerents exasperates the situation.


Originally posted by Lonestar24
I hold the opinion that democratic Serbia nowadays is the best guarantee for prosperity and peace in the region - but of course they erased their chances on political supremacy over the region with their actions since Tito passed away. Maybe in 10-20 years to come enough trust in Serbia can be restored - a major power in that region is needed to provide peaceful coexistence (which at the moment is KFOR and SFOR).


A democratic and prosperous Serbia would be great for the balkans. As far as the timeframe in which the Serbs can regain the full trust of there neighbors I'm not so optomistic. The clashes between the peoples of the region date back centuries and will not be over come in a single generation alot can be done during that first generation however a timeframe of 50-100yrs I believe would be more realistic. Which means there will have to be another force in the region if not NATO than perhaps the EU during that time period. The balkans is going to be a long haul project.



posted on Mar, 29 2006 @ 06:43 PM
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1. A mutually agreeable solution is possible if it is negotiated with real diplomats but for now we have Yugoslav diplomats talking to Albanian terrorists, former members of the KLA. For, example Agim Ceku the PM of Kosovo and Metohija against who Serbian police signed an international Interpol arrest order, but Jesen Petersen chief of UNMIK (very corrupt and pro-Albanian) settled it out and it was withdrawn.

2. The only correct solution, is moving out of KFOR, moving in of Yugoslav Army, and Serbian police, so they can guard borders of Serbia and Yugoslavia, protect their citizens, and help human rights being respected. Kosovo and Metohija (later Kosmet) is, and has always been part of Republic of Serbia, therefore in respect to all the Yugoslav soldiers who lost hteir lives in a war with terrorists in Kosmet it should be given back under authority of Belgrade, and with local autonomy as it had before being an autonomous province. The problem is that International Community keeps applying double standards towards terrorist, on one hand blaming IRA, and ETA and on the other supporting albanian KLA, which is as a note funded and supported by Al Qaeda (9/11, remember? Beslan remember?....).

3. If not and Kosovo is given to Albania, republic of Serbia and federal parliaments will proclaim state of occupation, army put in full battle readiness, 12-hour ultimatum for withdrawal of albanian army and KFOR given after which Yugoslav Army moves into Kosmet, and if resistance found fighting and violence might occur.



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 07:13 AM
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1. It's possible but highly unprobable. To much hatred and national pride involved.

2. An independent Kosovo with highest possible authonomy status for Serbian minority. After all diplomacy is an art of possible.

3. Yes, it's quite possible. Kosovo Albanians are quite agressive and intolerant toward everybody. Even toward KFOR forces there.

[edit on 6-4-2006 by yanchek]



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 11:59 AM
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Was Kosovo ever an "autonomous" republic in Yugolsavia? I thought it held some lesser status that that of the republics (Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, and Slovenia)?

My understanding that it some sort of "region" ala Banat and Vovodjnia (spelling?).



posted on Nov, 7 2006 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Zhenyghi
Was Kosovo ever an "autonomous" republic in Yugolsavia? I thought it held some lesser status that that of the republics (Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, and Slovenia)?

My understanding that it some sort of "region" ala Banat and Vovodjnia (spelling?).


I believe it held autonomous status within the Yugoslav state of Serbia and Montenegro. It's status was never on par with Bosnia, Slovenia, Croatia or Macedonia.



posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by danwild6
1. Is a mutually agreeable solution possible?
2. If so what do you bleieve that solution would be?
3. If not is it possible that Kosovo would once again erupt into violence and hatred?


1. Not with the current generation making the decisions and negotiations. Serbs might have caved in to the NATO's pressure and its illegal invasion, but they are not resigning control over a crucial part of their nation. Kosovo has no reason for separation from Serbia- simply because it is Serbia. Only because the majority of populations is made up of Albanians- is no reason to cut the nation into smaller and smaller pieces. They have already cut off Montenegro with only a small majority of votes for independence. If Russia was as weak as Serbia, NATO would no doubt find a reason to split it into 100 mutually independent parts that would never again be a rival to the US. The current Serbian generation will not allow this under any circumstances. Kosovo can probably get autonomous status within Serbia, but not an independent republic.

2. The solution should be Kosovo's integration into Serbia. It may get an autonomous status, but nothing more. If anybody in Kosovo does not like this fact- they are free to go back to Albania or whereever else they want. It is still unclear who is more responsible for the genocide ON BOTH SIDES, since Serbians in Kosovo suffered no less than Albanians. It will take a very long time for the two sides to come to a compromise, but eventually it would happen- as long as the rebels and separatists are prevented from causing further contention.

3. It is very possible for it to erupt in violence if NATO goes through with its insane independence vote idea. However if Serbia is given control of the separatist region, while at the same time mediated by UN so there is no violation of human rights, the sides could eventually come to terms.



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by danwild6
This is the problem that hasn't gone away. It's been six years since the NATO alliance went to war with Serbia to stop ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.


That was not the reason NATO went to war with Serbia as i have tried to explain in the past... The reason was to keep up their campaign of ensuring the break down of unity in the region as was made possible by the formation of Yugoslavia in the first place. If it was not for the USSR this would have happened in the 50's and 60's and even thought NATO considered Yugoslav socialism a relatively useful bulwark against the USSR they did not like and still did their best to undermine as many of the social programs as they could...


Ever since then Kosovo has been an international protectorate. Now the UN has given the go ahead for final status negotiations to begin. However each of the opposing sides has taken intractable positions on the future of Kosovo.


I can assure you that if you investigate this you will find that it's the Albanians who are allowed to prevent the negotiation from proceeding in useful directions as they are the type of corrupt society ( investigate Albanian drug lords role in the European and world wide distribution) the UN and other so loves.


The Albanians want independence the Serbs want to stay within Serbia offering instead "more than autonomy less than independence".

news.bbc.co.uk...


Do Albanians really want independence? I am not so sure that that is in fact the case even though they will not really get independe under western sponsored right wing facist dictators....


I have a few questions regarding this subject.

1. Is a mutually agreeable solution possible?


It always is if people are left alone to come to agreements. The only way settlements are avoided is when outside foreign powers ensure discord buy funding competing parties and or agenda's so that neither can attain a useful majority.


2. If so what do you bleieve that solution would be?


Reintegration of most of the current republics into a similar state as the old Yugoslavia. Remember that Yugoslavia means "Southern Slavs" and that these people have far far fare more in common than the western media will tell you. Yugoslavia were one of the few countries in recent history that were actually built on a shared common ideal; unity of a region that had so much in common. The stuff you hear on the news is most invented so that westerners will not ask too many questions about the 'sudden' ( and it started just after the USSR reformed) outbreak of problems in the region.


3. If not is it possible that Kosovo would once again erupt into violence and hatred?


The place might once again 'erupt' into violence but it will be set off as consequence of the area trying to reunite under a common ideal instead of being fractured into tiny nations that can not defend their own economic interest as the old Yugoslavia could. Remember that the few tens of thousand that actually died in the violence is nothing compared to the three million that died in the DRC ( it's in central Africa) over the last half dozen years; did you even know about the ongoing genocides in Africa? Why does NATO not come help protect some lives over here? Maybe because things are going exactly as they want it to?

The future of a fragmented Eastern Europe will just lead to many more hundreds of thousands of 'Slavs'( and all the other groups in the area really; white women/children are apparently a highly sought 'commodity' in some markets ) being kidnapped into global human and general sex trafficking. Compared to what Western Europe has in mind for south eastern Europe they had it extremely good under their former dictators and had relatively peaceful last decade.

www.infowars.com...

www.prisonplanet.com...

If you have the guts to consider the facts Alex Jones will present to you there wont be many good reasons left to ask these types of questions on ATS.


Stellar



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by StellarX
That was not the reason NATO went to war with Serbia as i have tried to explain in the past... The reason was to keep up their campaign of ensuring the break down of unity in the region as was made possible by the formation of Yugoslavia in the first place. If it was not for the USSR this would have happened in the 50's and 60's and even thought NATO considered Yugoslav socialism a relatively useful bulwark against the USSR they did not like and still did their best to undermine as many of the social programs as they could...


And on every occasion I found your unsubstantiated arguements of an "evil western conspiracy" rather unconvincing. Oh and during WWII the US support Tito's partisans far more than they supported the Chetniks due to the latters colaboration with Germans.


Originally posted by StellarX
I can assure you that if you investigate this you will find that it's the Albanians who are allowed to prevent the negotiation from proceeding in useful directions as they are the type of corrupt society ( investigate Albanian drug lords role in the European and world wide distribution) the UN and other so loves.


Ethnic insults don't help your arguement Stellar



Originally posted by StellarX
Do Albanians really want independence? I am not so sure that that is in fact the case even though they will not really get independe under western sponsored right wing facist dictators....


You know your posts used to be pretty funny but now they're just tiresome.

So tiresome I'm not going to respond to the crap you post anymore



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by danwild6
And on every occasion I found your unsubstantiated arguements of an "evil western conspiracy" rather unconvincing.


But you also always stopped responding the facts started going against your prior beliefs... That does not make them wrong but it does indicate that you either have not the time or the interest to defend what you believe or that you are perfectly happy believing what you like no matter it's basis in reality.


Oh and during WWII the US support Tito's partisans far more than they supported the Chetniks due to the latters colaboration with Germans.


As far as i know it did not claim otherwise? I think you will find that who supported who at what time, during the second world war, is far stranger than a look at a standard history university/high school text book might suggest....


Ethnic insults don't help your arguement Stellar


I must admit that looked different than i intended it too. I did not mean to suggest ( and i can understand how you got that impression) that the entire population is corrupt as that is no more the case there than anywhere else. What i do consider a fact is that some Albanian 'mafia' types are very, very well placed in the European drug trade and that these people were created and are kept in place by the policies of western Europe.


You know your posts used to be pretty funny but now they're just tiresome.


Few people find the truth funny and tire very quickly when learning involves them having to actually change their minds on topics.


So tiresome I'm not going to respond to the crap you post anymore


Well that's your choice and it's certainly easier for me to show up what i consider to be very very ignorant remarks. If you are not willing to at least stage a mock defense of your beliefs ( and have them ripped apart) i don't think your going to be able to become wiser or teach anyone anything.

Stellar



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