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NEWS: Vermont Is Planning To Secede From The US

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posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 03:05 PM
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Some folks in Vermont no longer wish to be part of the United States and they are having a convention October 28, 2005 to secede from the U.S. They wish to throw off the shackles of a U.S. government that is not in harmony with the people of Vermont, citing that they have suffered at the hands of big government, as well as, big business & big agriculture that comes with the big government. Also the U.S. government has burdened them with inferior goods and technology that is not suited to the people of Vermont.
 



vermontrepublic.org
James Howard Kunstler, author of The Long Emergency, will be the keynote speaker at The Vermont Convention on Independence to be held in the House Chamber of the State House in Montpelier on Friday October 28th. Sponsored by the Second Vermont Republic, the convention, which will begin at 9:00 a.m. and conclude at 5:00 p.m., is open to the public and free of charge.

This historic event will be the first statewide convention on secession in the United States since North Carolina voted to secede from the Union on May 20, 1861.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


I support the ideals of these people that wish to seperate themselves from the U.S. government, but I do not believe that the federal government is just going to let this happen regardless of whether most of Vermonts citizens want this or not. If this all works out in Vermont, I will be moving soon.

Related News Links:
www.vtcommons.org
www.accesstoenergy.com
www.counterpunch.org
www.sierratimes.com

[edit on 24-10-2005 by df1]




posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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BIG government, BIG business, & BIG agriculture.

All the same animal.

Yea Vermont.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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I don't blame them a bit and I can see an influx of immigrants if they succeed.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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I think someone tried this before. More power to them. This is an ideal way to get Howard Dean out of American politics for good.

There are others who seek the same thing.

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I don't blame them a bit and I can see an influx of immigrants if they succeed.


Actually, I am unaware of anyone keeping malcontents in America against their will.




[edit on 2005/10/24 by GradyPhilpott]

[edit on 24-10-2005 by Nerdling]


df1

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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GradyPhilpott
Actually, I am unaware of anyone keeping malcontents in America against their will.

You are just regurgitating that tired old faux patriot "love it or leave it" mentality. What we have in the U.S. is a corrupt demopublican cabal that has stolen the media, the political process and the country itself from the citizens. This country was founded by malcontents, we need many more malcontents to take back our country.
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posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 04:14 PM
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Still, no one is keeping you here against your will. If Vermont's secession would create a mass emigration, why would those who feel so strongly not just go a few more mile north, or anywhere for that matter, now.

The real truth is that our democratic process is as robust as it has always been and whatever irritates enough people can be changed either by any of several legal methods short of secession.

If you're so unhappy that you can't wait for the system to work, find a place that fits your needs and go there. Nobody's stopping you.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 04:19 PM
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Grady, they are fixing it in a way that they want....by leaving the United States.

If they wish too and a majority of people in the State wish too...that to me is democracy. Otherwise they are not States of a Union...



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 04:53 PM
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If Vermont leaves the Union it will be setting it self up for diasaster because: it has no real big Industries, no land tracts for large scale agricultural production, not a lot of land space for any industry. You need industry for money and agric. for food. This sounds not to good for Vermont or the U.S because it would mean we are losing our National Unity. I know the U.S isn't Perfect but leaving the Union won't necessarialy fix all the problems. look at the Atebellum era and the civil war era.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 04:58 PM
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Lithuania is not afraid of Soviet tanks any more; why should we be afraid of the federal government?


May-b they iz jest tue stoopid. Soviet Union went bankrupt, so far the US, I think, has not. I think they will quickly succeed join forces with Canada and help instigate a European v. American War which will cause the deaths of hundreds of millions, because there will the Global Thermonuclear War. Git darn Vermonters!

Yeah, I want to see the Vermont militia last a day against the National Guard. Though I am not saying that I don't disagree with the Vermonters, I would just like to hear more on how their economy will be handled and government.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Senor_Vicente
If Vermont leaves the Union it will be setting it self up for diasaster because: it has no real big Industries, no land tracts for large scale agricultural production, not a lot of land space for any industry. You need industry for money and agric. for food. This sounds not to good for Vermont or the U.S because it would mean we are losing our National Unity. I know the U.S isn't Perfect but leaving the Union won't necessarialy fix all the problems. look at the Atebellum era and the civil war era.


Simple: do what the US wouldn't do before: legalize drugs and prostitution. Open up Casinos and embryonic stem cell labs. The biggest: no taxes. This will attract a lot of foreign business, I would imagine. Build massive hotels and skyscrapers, movie theatres, don't spare a single dollar. If they hesitate they will lose. They need to gain allies and business partners such as Canada.

Vermont=Amsterdam/South Korea of the Western Hemisphere.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:17 PM
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basically, some one on the vermont side is getting shot over this. their leader will get killed mysteriously or that person will disappear and they wont be able to organize.

those in the US who stand against it will have no chance unless we ban together. plain and simple. its power in the numbers, they have the heart, but not the numbers.


apc

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:18 PM
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"Ok everyone. Turn in your US Dollar Bills! We're going to start using the Loony!"

LoL... if they actually succeeded, they would be brought back with the flick of a pen.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:19 PM
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They're not *actually* going to secede. This convention has all the authority of a Star Trek convention. People who support it will come and talk about it and try to push for it.

But it won't happen.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:21 PM
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Let's put a bit of a reality check here:

There are a number of states with these groups (including Texas) and about every decade or so, one of them gets enough activity that they call a convention and declare their state is going to seccede from the United States. Here's what I know from the Texas group (or one of them, which is actually based in my hometown.):

* They're looked at as a bunch of kooks by the area residents
* They have a few key issues that they address with a few solutions that aren't satisfactory to many people.
* They are no more than a thousand in number.

The Vermont bunch doesn't have even one member in the major towns of Vermont: www.vtcommons.org...

They showed up for a few Fouth of July parades and were so underrepresented in numbers that in one town they were represented by a "Bread And Puppet Theatre."
www.vermontrepublic.org...


Bottom line: Vermont isn't planning on secceeding. And they need to find another sandbox to go play in.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:27 PM
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What Nerdling said.

Every state has it's own secessionist movements. It's just talk. The fact that James Howard Kunstler is speaking at this conference reveals their motives of this particular group. They think that we're going to run out of oil soon (which is possible I guess) and they believe that Vermont is the perfect place to form a medieval agrarian community after the collapse of civilization.

While I think Kunstler's concerns are valid, I don't particularly like his anti-techonolgy agenda or his "we're doomed" attitude. Anytime someone proposes a solution to the energy crisis, he shoots it down. He's decided that we're going back to the stone age and no solution is possibe. Frankly I'd rather die that be a chicken farmer with no access to technology. The thing I don't get is why seceding from the Union would help.

[edit on 10/24/2005 by Flinx]



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:55 PM
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This title is undeniably misleading.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 05:59 PM
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Come on people, Schools out!!

This isn't really about secceding from the US; this is about making a political statement. Maybe a valid one.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling
They're not *actually* going to secede. This convention has all the authority of a Star Trek convention. People who support it will come and talk about it and try to push for it.

But it won't happen.


I too have to agree. This is nothing more then a few radicals if you will.

I loved the intro where the author blamed the US for selling them bad goods (not in those exact words) but they still amount to a suggestion that the US government is making the goods and selling them to Vermont which we all know is not the case



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 06:05 PM
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I can see that still in some states like Vermont people still are in control of their destiny.

I guess looking at what is going on with the rest of the nation the people of Vermont has come to the realization that big government is not taking care of the people anymore.

Good for them for at least trying.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 06:32 PM
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Vermont:

Green Mountain State
Ben & Jerrys Ice Cream
UVM in Burlington -good school.
12 miles average distance between exits on Interstate 89
Bernie Sanders, US Rep - Socialist
Vt. has the infamous label of being the "whitest state in the nation"
Home of "Champy" - Lake Champlain's version of Loch Ness Monster
Burlington is very PC
Was US mfg and training site for VAX9000 in the 90's, till the plant was closed
The only place I have ever seen "fishermen" blasting fish with shotguns when the fish came into the shallows to spawn



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