Originally posted by brodband
For example, if a member posts a very high quality post, they would probably expect high quality points.
Well, isn't that for the readers to decide?
I'm sure that many who post utter garbage feel that their post is of high quality and should get them lots of points, but the reality is somewhat
different. And isn't this just what the staff applause is for? A reward for posting good quality material, even if it doesn't attract much of
For example, if someone starts a thread by asking a question, and someone else answers with a long, well-researched post answering the question and
perhaps making more and the discussion/debate starts off from there, all the "reply points" go to the thread starter, instead to the one who got the
discussion going. Unfair? Yes, probably. Staff applause is there to even up the score, so to speak.
And speaking for myself, I was quite surprised that I got applauded, because in my opinion the post I got it from wasn't all that special, but I
suppose that I managed to convey information in good, concise manner instead of my usual style
...and since I didn't know that the points have different qualities (apart from the obvious ATS/BTS/PTS split), perhaps your intention was to say
that one expects high quantity points from high quality posts? Feel free to correct me if I've missed something obvious.
I do not really bother about points system because I feel like some posts here are just to recieve points with ATS. I believe in Quality over
Same goes for me too. While I would like to have enough points to buy RATS membership, I'm not in a hurry to get there. And since I don't have much
time to do any original research, I must resort to posting now and then when I feel that my knowledge or opinion is warranted and can perhaps make a
The board I used to run had many posters who were extremely active in 'chat' threads and racked up posts something fierce. I didn't much care for
it personally, but since those were topical to the board (whose topic was mainly off-topic) and users seemed to like them so I let them be. If I had
had a points/rewards/whatever system in place which would've been dependant on postcount, things would've been much different.
But even when almost everything WAS on topic, people still were afraid to post. Some felt that since there was so much of bovine excrement floating
around they did not want to lower their standards to that level and thus kept from posting 'quality' stuff (but were ready to complain about the
lack of quality), and others felt that it's their right to post whatever to wherever no matter how the different areas were set up, thus creating
work for the moderators and complaints to me from posters and readers.
Some also had issues with my management style, and were complaining that the tone of the board was not in their liking. I tried to explain to them,
that it's the community who sets the tone, not the management. The management can only set guidelines and enforce them, the users are the ones who
make the content. Even in my board there was (and still is) quite a bit of quality discussion going on, one just needed to look for it. For those who
made the effort to do so, the experience was very different than for those who only looked superficially and made their judgement from that
If the guidelines and enforcement is not acceptable to the general user population, the users will not come (or will leave, depending on the time when
guidelines and/or enforcement policy is set up or changed) and if there are no users, there is no discussion and thus no need for a board.
In ATS I feel that the guidelines are reasonable, enforcement could be better (but having frontline experience with it can understand why that seems
always be the case, even though everyone and their cat is doing their very best and then some), but the main problem why postcount is lower than
expected is (in my opinion of course) that there was a big spike in board activity due to the Katrina / Rita controversy and now the board is sort of
having a hangover from all that. Because of the huge amount of interest created in so small area, other areas of the board atrophied and are now
slowly returning to normal. And due to the large diversity of topics in ATS and the mere existence of PTS and BTS, the active userbase is spread
pretty thin. And perhaps some of the new users who came in and registered during or right after the Katrina issues spiked are not really interested in
the core ideals of ATS, and thus refrain from posting.
And yes, some of the Mods/Supermods are downright scary when they descend from above into a first post or incipient thread and lay down the law of the
land. That doesn't bother me, but it might bother someone who is 'young and innocent in the ways of the discussion forums' and only starting their
career. Everyone of us was young and inexperienced once. Some of us still are! Perhaps instead of laying down the law in public a mod could send an
u2u instead, pointing out the shortcomings?
And now I'm going to continue my rambling elsewhere...