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Battle of Persia

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posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 07:37 PM
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This is for all those brave pilots who were fighting for their country and that still live in or have died in the past, this is highly recommended for those who would like to know even more about IRIAF againsting Iraqi pilots and how our brave pilots still managed to win despite million of dollars was budging in to Saddam. Have fun reading....





Battle of Persia
Book: Iran-Iraq War in the Air 1980-1988

By An Iranian
July 24, 2003
The Iranian


Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few.
-Winston Churchill, August 20, 1940

63 years ago at this time, the British Royal Air Force was engaged in a life and death struggle against Nazi Germany's air force, the Luftwaffe. Hitler had taken all of continental Europe in the lightning war campaign, known as the "Blitzkrieg". The Royal Air Force was badly outnumbered by a factor of 3 to 1, and the US and the USSR would not enter the war until a year later. The Nazis saw it as essential and very manageable to defeat the Royal Air Force in order to capture the last remaining country in Europe.


The fate of Britain and the non-Nazi world lie in the hands of the pilots and groundcrew of the RAF Fighter Command. These airmen proved the Nazi war planners wrong, and in the period of July to September of 1940, fought bravely and successfully against the Luftwaffe, resulting in Hitler's decision to abandon the invasion of Britain, and his first defeat.

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"The Few", as they became known, consisted of 2927 pilots, almost half of whom lost their lives. To this day, the Battle of Britain is commemorated every year very solemnly by the British people, and is considered one of the major events of British and world history.



Forty years later, Saddam's Iraq invaded Iran, which was in the midst of revolutionary turmoil and a hostage crisis. I remember the day that the Iraqi Air Force bombed and terrorized most of the major cities in Iran, and Saddam's army crossed the border virtually unopposed and captured dozens of cities thousands of square kilometers of Iran's territory. The atrocities and looting committed by his troops have yet to be punished or even apologized for.



While many brave Iranians resisted fierecely on the ground, there was virtually no army or heavy weapons at that time standing in Saddam's way as his tanks rolled in and tried to annex Khuzestan and rename it "Arabistan". Like Hitler, Saddam needed a defeat of his enemy's air force to secure victory. Like Hitler, Saddam vastly underestimated his enemy. The air battle that followed was highly significant, and vastly underreported. This air battle is what halted the Iraqi invasion in its tracks, and spelled the beginning of defeat for Saddam's schemes.



The true and amazing story of this battle as well as the rest of the air war is described in a new book by Tom Cooper and Farzad Bishop: Iran-Iraq War in the Air 1980-1988, published by Schiffer Books. This book is the result of 15 years of research and many interviews with participants of this battle on both sides.



We have heard very little about the Iranian Air Force and its role in the defence of our country, and for good reason. The Iranian government always wanted to downplay the role of this "American" and "Imperial" and "Taghooti" infested force. The US never wanted to admit the notion that a "thrid world terrorist" country (or the "ayatollah's air force") could so effectively operate its most sophisticated weaponry at the time despite lack of US support.

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The French and Russians never wanted to admit that an "inoperable" and "kaputt" air arm could shoot down so many of their most sophisticated aircraft, it would just be bad marketing. Most of the history written about this aspect of the war claims that most of Iran's air force was grounded due to the lack of spare parts, desertion and execution of pilots and other personnel, and departure of US technicians.

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The truth however, was quite different. While clearly, Iran sufferred from a lack of a constant supply of spare parts and ammunition, as well as purging and politicizing of the armed forces, the Persian Air Force put politics aside and fought bravely for its country.



There were cases of imprisoned pilots begging to be let out to fly missions, and after flying 2 or 3 extremely dangerous missions, would be shot down and killed. This was one of the greatest and most dedicated team efforts in our history, where the aircrews and groundcrews and other Air Force personnel worked and fought day and night and went far beyond their call of duty to save our country.

While both sides lost many aircraft, most of Iran's losses were due to flying extremely dangerous (virtually suicidal) precision strike missions over heavily defended sites deep inside Iraq and above the front lines at extremely low altitude to avoid detection by Iraq's increasing radar coverage provided by the Europeans and Russians, as well as US and Saudi AWACS support. This was necessary to slow and ultimately stop the advance of the Iraqi army, and allow precious time for Iran to regroup and reform its own ground forces with new command structure to more directly confront the invaders.



The use of expensive fighter jets against tanks and other army equipment is not a good use of military resources, but there was no choice at the time. Meanwhile Iraq's missions were primarily low precision cowardly attacks against population centers to intimidate Iran into accepting defeat.



A few more interesting highlights about this part of the war:

- In air to air engagements, Iran's kill ratio was roughly 5:1, which is only surpassed by the Israelis against Syria in 1982 and the US in the Gulf war in 1991. Very often, air engagements consisted of 1-2 Iranian fighters engaging 4, or even 8 Iraqi fighters and winning. It got to the point where Iraq ordered its pilots to avoid air to air engagements (especially with the F-14), and actually had to import mercenary pilots from Egypt, and even places like Belgium, South Africa, and East Germany to fly the critical missions!



- In 1982, Iran launched a brilliantly planned and daring airstrike on the H-3 airfield near the Jordanian border where the Iraqis thought their aircraft were safe. They would find that they were wrong when 8 F-4s destroyed 48 Iraqi aircraft on the ground with complete surprise, and all returned safely to Iran.

This mission was the largest destruction of enemy aircraft on the ground after the 1967 Arab Israeli 6 day war, was one of the most brilliant air assaults in history, and involved aerial refueling at an altitude of less than 100 meters, violating about every safety rule there is.



The flight from Iran to H-3 was longer and more risky than the flight from Israel to Baghdad's Osirak reactor in 1981. 2 of the 8 pilots in this raid were subsequently executed in a purge a few years later by the Iranian government. Some of the remaining pilots eventually left the country.



- Col Abbas Doran personally flew hundreds of missions over Iraq, and was so dreaded that Saddam issued a bounty specifically for his head! When he was finally shot down over a heavily defended Baghdad in 1982, he stayed with his F-4 all the way down rather than become captured.

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- The most accomplished F-14 aces in the world are Iranian, some of which have 9 kills to their name, most of which were the most advanced Soviet and French aircraft.

And unlike the RAF "Few", our "Few" had to do all this in the face of a mistrusting government who could (and did) execute them and/or their comrades, and in the face of shortages and embargoes, while Iraq was fully supported and resupplied with the latest and greatest (sometimes so new that it was yet to be tested) weaponry. Sadly, their sacrifice has been mostly untold and unrecognized except by the few who know the stories. That is why the original title of this book was "Forgotten Warriors".



This was a painful chapter in our history, and since then, many of us Iranians have moved on in our lives in a million different directions. While I have described a small piece of the air war here, this shouldn't detract in the least from the great sacrifices made on the ground and at sea. I just thought that this story has been less told. I feel that the Iran-Iraq War should be renamed the Arab-Iranian War, since that is what it really was.



I also feel the air war should be called the "Battle of Persia". When I read Churchill's quote, I cannot help but think of the Persian Air Force. I don't know what your political leanings or your social opinions or your visions of the future are, it doesn't matter. But I think a nation is judged by many things, one of the most important of which is how it honors its fallen and its great men and women throughout its history.

I hope you will join me today in taking a moment to honor the often forgotten Persian "Few", too many of whom never came home so that we could. In my heart and in my mind, they are the modern day Ferdosi, who saved us from a second Qadesiyeh.

The book can be found at:
www.schifferbooks.com...
www.iranian.com...
iiaf.net...


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posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 07:53 PM
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Good solid patriotic post, NR.
Informative, as well.

You may want to have a read of this following topic thread, as it will help you with resizing/editing those over-sized images you have posted.

How to resize an image






seekerof


NR

posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Good solid patriotic post, NR.
Informative, as well.

You may want to have a read of this following topic thread, as it will help you with resizing/editing those over-sized images you have posted.

How to resize an image






seekerof


Thanks for the kind words Seekerof, I will try and reduce the size of some of these images but the reason why i posted is because theres still people out there who never knew or learned alot of what our brave pilots did, i would sometime love to see a U.S-Iranian air excersice i think it would truely be amazing.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by NR
Thanks for the kind words Seekerof, I will try and reduce the size of some of these images but the reason why i posted is because theres still people out there who never knew or learned alot of what our brave pilots did, i would sometime love to see a U.S-Iranian air excersice i think it would truely be amazing.


The content and intent is fine...


But those pics are just way to huge, maximum image size is 680x680 and 200k.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:12 PM
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That book isn't written by an Iranian pilot, it's written by Tom Cooper, an author who publishes military aviation.

This book at Amazon.com
Osprey Press - Tom Cooper


Born in 1970, Tom Cooper is a native of Vienna, Austria. His travels in Europe and the Middle East have enabled him to establish excellent contacts with many informed sources in Iran, whose experiences can be found in his books and articles. An early fascination with military aviation post-World War 2 has narrowed down to an interest in smaller air forces and conflicts, particularly the Arab and the Iranian air force and the Iraq-Iran war, about which his researches date from the late 1980s. He has authored several articles for various military aviation magazines, and this is his first book for Osprey

Not a bad book though. If it hadn't been for 77 F-14's and 190 F4 Phantoms, it would have been bad show. Next time link the website, you don't need to cut and paste the whole thing from a website.
And your links don't work right...
Link for Iranian Air Force history:
www.globalsecurity.org...



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:16 PM
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i know we dont see eye to eye on alot NR, but that was a very good post. i respect and honor your fallen heros.


NR

posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 09:02 PM
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The content and intent is fine...


But those pics are just way to huge, maximum image size is 680x680 and 200k.


I have reduced the size of those pictures, how do they look now?




Not a bad book though. If it hadn't been for 77 F-14's and 190 F4 Phantoms, it would have been bad show.



It didnt matter of what we had it was because of our brave pilot men, we did the best we could and it just shows with bravery you can achieve anything.



i know we dont see eye to eye on alot NR, but that was a very good post. i respect and honor your fallen heros.



snafu770 i appreciate what you said and yes i think Iranian pilots deserve alot of respect, never ever will you see anything like this or what they did. Iranians are very patriotic and imagine if we were 2 powerfull allies again.



posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 12:29 AM
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Nice post!

Now, I want to make this clear that I am not seeking an argument, but rather, am asking questions!!

If all these exploits actually happened, then much respect to the Iranian AF.

Whether people believe me or not, I debated Tom Cooper once. He's an intelligent man, but in the end, he did not give me any concrete proof of the exploits of the Iranian AF, save for things he heard word of mouth.

Again, am not saying these things did not happen, but there is little approbation to back it up.

I am as curious as anyone else about the Iran-Iraq (air)war and if someone could post some footage, I would be grateful. Thank you!


NR

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by Midav
Nice post!

Now, I want to make this clear that I am not seeking an argument, but rather, am asking questions!!

If all these exploits actually happened, then much respect to the Iranian AF.

Whether people believe me or not, I debated Tom Cooper once. He's an intelligent man, but in the end, he did not give me any concrete proof of the exploits of the Iranian AF, save for things he heard word of mouth.

Again, am not saying these things did not happen, but there is little approbation to back it up.

I am as curious as anyone else about the Iran-Iraq (air)war and if someone could post some footage, I would be grateful. Thank you!



Tom cooper can sometime not go with the way of his backing but yes his intelligence always gets him away with it, as you wanted the vids here are some.


Iranian scout soldiers taking on iraqi T-72's.

Link Deleted - Please Do Not Link To that Site.

iranian troops with RPG-7

www.irna.ir...


Iranian cobra attack helos in action, facing off against mig-21.

rapidshare.de...

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posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 12:39 AM
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Thank you very much and I appreciate the vids!


But I am most curious about air to air and surface to air videos.


NR

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Midav
Thank you very much and I appreciate the vids!


But I am most curious about air to air and surface to air videos.



no problem, Those videos are also very rare and hard to find, the only video i can show is IRIAF F-4 dropping napalm on Iraqi forces, i'll get it A.S.A.P.

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posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 01:09 AM
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Oh man, that would be great! Thank you!!


NR

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Midav
Oh man, that would be great! Thank you!!



I still gotta get the clip i forgot where i left the website at but heres some pictures of our pilots and our F-4 dropping napalm on Iraqi tanks.






NR

posted on Oct, 26 2005 @ 12:18 AM
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Midav if you want to look at more IRIAF videos i think you should check out the videos i released in Weaponry thread. I also think mabey this should be stickied for we shouldnt for get one of the longest wars ever fought along with millions of people dying. We should respect history itself....

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posted on Aug, 16 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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i am very sorry but your piece is the most rediculous piece of aviation writing i have ever come across, and if you quote tom cooper then i and a number of iraqi pilots have chalanged his stories with eveidence and even he is withdowing some of his i was in baghdad when abbas doran was shot downi saw his f-4 disentgrate in mid air! with an air to surface missile,,,,my god you have a vivid imagination! tom cooper's claim of mercenary pilots in iraq is a load of BS, yes it was the guy who striked the stark on a mirage F1 was belgian!!! then the americans themselves admitted he was iraqi,,,I NEVER CAME ACROSS ANY FORIGN FIGHTER PILOTS IN IRAQ!
fact of the matter is you had a superior airforce that we chalanged in 1980 with old russian aircraft and we won,, by 1986 your f-14 were AWACS and we were hunting for a fight!! with no iranian aircraft to be seen!! but stories do come out sooner or later,,, look at the USN now they admitt that the f-18 was shot down by an R-40 FROM A MIG 25
FURTHUR MORE big sections of tom cooper/farzad book IS BASED ON PURE transmission of iranian so abbas doran refused to eject from his burning f-4 and guided it to hit alrashid hotel!! (for example)
although his target was aldoora oil refinary 15-20 miles away that he was shot over by frensh Roland surface to air missile fired from alrashid army camp just across the river as i and many iraqi fighter pilots were watching it from a balcony ect ect ect of elaboorate stories,,check martin-baker website history of ejection and you will find out sir that the ratio is of kills is not 5:1 infact it was 1:1!!
and that changed to 1:3 when the Mirage EQ mae with majic 550, super 530
people here know what they are talking about to enough BS.
SORRY GETYOUR FACTS RIGHT.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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You realize this thread is 6 years old right?



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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edit on 29-8-2011 by StratosFear because: no ones paying attention anymore




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