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NEWS: 'Babies For Sale' On Chinese eBay

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posted on Oct, 20 2005 @ 01:54 PM
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Chinese police forces are investigating reports of 'people trafficking' on ebay's Chinese website Eachnet. An advertisement was placed offering boys for 28,000 yuan ($3,450) while girls were offered for 13,000 yuan ($1,603). China's strict "one child" birth control policy, coupled with the traditional bias for male children, has led to widespread reports of child abductions, and several people have been sentenced to death for their part in smuggling rings.
 



news.bbc.co.uk

According to Eachnet, the advertisement was registered in Shanghai on 16 October.

The seller, under the user name "Chuangxinzhe Yongyuan" or "innovator forever", said the babies would be available within 100 days of their birth.

The seller said the service was being provided for the benefit of China's millions of infertile couples.

All the children were described as coming from Henan province in central China.

Although no deals were struck, more than 50 people browsed the listing before it was removed, including one who left an enquiry.

According to Tang Lei, the website automatically screens all the postings it receives. But the word "baby" is not seen as a forbidden term because so many baby products are advertised on the site.

Mr Tang admitted the posting may have been a hoax - but he added that, if not, the person responsible for the attempted sale could face many years in prison or even the death penalty.



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If these claims are true the person responsible should spend many years locked up!

People trafficking cannot be allowed anywhere on Earth and i hope the Chinese authorities should make an example of the seller as a warning to others in the buisness of trafficking!

Although im not sure i would agree with the death penalty!




posted on Oct, 20 2005 @ 08:06 PM
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When I first saw the story it made me so sick, I did not even want to post it.

Frankly, I find it very disgusting that China has not controlled the selling of children sooner.



posted on Oct, 20 2005 @ 08:22 PM
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Before being so outrage about china perhaps you should find out who are the biggest market of the trafficking of children.

If you do a quick research. . . you will not be so outrage, baby trafficking is big business because is a big market that supports it.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by shots
When I first saw the story it made me so sick, I did not even want to post it.

Frankly, I find it very disgusting that China has not controlled the selling of children sooner.


They have there hands full just keeping people from killing female children especially in the Rural areas. First born sons are prized.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by shots
When I first saw the story it made me so sick, I did not even want to post it.

Frankly, I find it very disgusting that China has not controlled the selling of children sooner.


They have there hands full just keeping people from killing female children especially in the Rural areas. First born sons are prized.



Who cares where the market is that is not the point. Sure people want children and there are other alternatives such as legal adoption of unwanted children. It is the practice of selling children on what can be perceived to be a black maket if you will that I object too.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 08:06 AM
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shots im with you 100% and its a problem not isolated to China but crops up in Central America and other areas as well.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 08:11 AM
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No, you should care about the market for south American, asia and chinese children because US is one of them.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
No, you should care about the market for south American, asia and chinese children because US is one of them.


This is not about the market marg. As long as there are people unable to have children there is going to be a market for homeless children. It is the practice of selling them on the black market I object too.

Now with that said, I do not care what you say or do, I am not about to change my mind. As I said I do not have a problem with legal adoption fees but I do have a huge problem with selling babies on the black market and you will not change that no matter what you say.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 08:48 AM
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Shots I don't know what is eating you the black market of the idea that even US likes them.

But that is your opinion and I don't care either if you don't.

Anyway back to the subject.

Vietnam is also another country that have a large problem with trafficking children.

They sell as high as 50,000 US dollars, that is a lot of money for people that have nothing.

Most of them has gone to US and Frances and the adoption papers are mostly fake documents these children has been pay for it.

Because the demand is so big the Vietnamese country have make agreement with other governments, Canada has stop the illegal trafficking, Frances has a contract with Vietnam, and US is trying to do the same.

But the black market will keep on going as long as is demand for babies.

It other words as long as is willing parents to adopt them they will keep on paying for them.

news.bbc.co.uk...

People like in the US don't want to adopt children that are in this country in foster homes but they pay top dollar to get them from another countries.

I wonder. . . what is wrong with the children of US.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by shots
Frankly, I find it very disgusting that China has not controlled the selling of children sooner.

How do you make that leap? Is this just another anti-China bash? Should we all be disgusted because the United States cant control its drug trade? Or child pornography rings? It works both ways Shots. You cant condemn a government because criminals are operating within their borders.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
But the black market will keep on going as long as is demand for babies.

It other words as long as is willing parents to adopt them they will keep on paying for them.


Marg, you seem to be blurring the line between adoption and outright buying.

"Bought" children tend to end up as slaves or in the illegal sex trade business.

With adoption you have a traceable paper trail, and background checks on the future parents, to help prevent this.

These are two totally different situations.

And yes, Asia has been well known worldwide for years to have a serious problem with minors in the sex trade business.


[edit on 10/21/05 by redmage]



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by subz
You cant condemn a government because criminals are operating within their borders.


I sure can, watch me.


I ( that's me
) condemn the government of China for not stopping the black marketing of children. I too condemn my own elected officials for not stopping illegal drugs be it sales or importation of the same. Likewise I condemn any government that does not stop the trade/use of drugs in their country. I would likewise condemn any country that allows child pornography.


[edit on 10/21/2005 by shots]



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Shots I don't know what is eating you the black market of the idea that even US likes them.



I do not like them, my wife does not like them, I doubt you like them in fact I highly doubt anyone likes them frankly. Why not take a survey and ask the world what they think of black market babies? My guess is you would find no one likes them, unless of course they are the sellers.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by redmage
Marg, you seem to be blurring the line between adoption and outright buying.


The children are bought never less, the problems is how many will end up in loving homes or in sex and pornography rings here in the US.



With adoption you have a traceable paper trail, and background checks on the future parents, to help prevent this.


No really, many will end up lost in the system because their paper work was fraudulent from the beginning.


The US Government granted visas to 600 babies last year, although some visa applications were rejected because of evidence of fraud.


Now from these babies how many were able to get into the US still with fraudulent papers anyway? How many were for good homes and how many will be exploited?



4,000 Chinese babies are adopted by American couples each year. New parents spend up to $500 for their illegal child, a markup of at least 900% from the original price.


Should we go after some of these American people that are supporting the illegal trafficking?

In the US even our own children can get lost in the system and end up in pornography and sex rings.

The statistics about children missing are a shame in our own country.



These are two totally different situations.


Yes is different situation but we don’t know about the quantities, and the child sex pornography and trafficking of children is not limited to Asia or China is world wide.

This is the last report from the Department of State about the trafficking of people and what is doing about it.

Trafficking in Persons Report -Report Home Page
Released by the Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons
June 3, 2005

www.state.gov...

I found this article about china child trafficking from 2001, and why many in very poor areas of the country are selling their children.



Girls, two-week-old bundles with shocks of black hair, cost $25 each. Boys, traditionally favored, sell for $50. The chicken trade, by contrast, brings in only $2 for the plumpest fowl. In a mountainous region where drought has stymied farmers, the baby trade is feeding citizens in a way that Yunnan province's cracked red earth no longer can. Some mothers, who have no knowledge of birth control, are giving up "extra" children that violate the nation's family-planning policy. Others, from the most desperately poor villages, have turned into full-time baby machines, squeezing out children-for-sale in the shadows of their dirt-floor shacks. "Before, we made money by raising pigs," says a 23-year-old woman who sold two children just days after they were born. "But it takes a year to raise a pig and it's expensive to feed. A baby takes only nine months and doesn't cost any money."


www.time.com...

In a country like china with 3.1 billion people is very hard to track and punish the gangs involve in black market of babies specially when the provinces where the children are taken from are very remote.

Shots I don't like the trafficking of humans beings, but when our own country supports it with people that don't care about morals as long as they can pay for children makes it worst.




[edit on 21-10-2005 by marg6043]



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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Shots I don't like the trafficking of humans beings, but when our own country supports it with people that don't care about morals as long as they can pay for children makes it worst.

marg6043


The US does not support the black markert, you are way off base there. Check any legal book you want you will find there are many laws that prohibit the sale of children.


Only criminals support it.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by shots
The US does not support the black markert, you are way off base there. Check any legal book you want you will find there are many laws that prohibit the sale of children.


Only criminals support it.


US doen't support black market, neither support drugs trafficking but it still happens as long as it a willing Americans that pay for it.



posted on Oct, 21 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by shots
I sure can, watch me.


I ( that's me
) condemn the government of China for not stopping the black marketing of children. I too condemn my own elected officials for not stopping illegal drugs be it sales or importation of the same. Likewise I condemn any government that does not stop the trade/use of drugs in their country. I would likewise condemn any country that allows child pornography.

Good for you! Atleast you're consistent, theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:15 PM
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I sat in a courtroom one day and watched an Asian slave woman receive reprimands because she stole a $5 item for attention. The court "sympathized" and acknowledged she was a slave, but did nothing to help her, instead threatened her with incarceration if she continued to steal. Canada and the US are abysmal when it comes to doing anything about human trafficking.

Anyone who cares to check out the Treasury documents at this link (skip down the page a bit), can see that the CIA has it's hands in on this mess. Fast forward to page 10 for the punch line.

So much corruption!

www.blackopradio.com/cabazon.html



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:34 PM
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Putting aside that babies may be stolen for sale, or that they may be sold for some form of slavery or worse, what is inherently wrong with a mother selling her own child to another couple wanting a baby?



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by spamandham
Putting aside that babies may be stolen for sale, or that they may be sold for some form of slavery or worse, what is inherently wrong with a mother selling her own child to another couple wanting a baby?

I think people universally find this practice abhorrent because it places a definable value on a babies life. This is not the same as charging a fee to adopt a baby legally as those payments go to bureaucracy and fees. There is absolutely no cost for the baby itself. The same applies for surrogate mothers, they are only compensated for their time and expenses, there is no legally allowed charge they can ask for the baby itself.



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