Swedes rejected euro at the vote..

Yeah, Turkey is out.. as their human right situation is crappy.. they are basicly savages.

And it really doesnt help Turkey much when they say: 'the people we are abusing are only Kurds..'

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Nice necklace, magnus, thanks for sharing the pic. I like Viking/Nordic history and mythology, its one of my favorite hobbies. Someday, I shall have to go there. I really wanna see Upsala.

Watch the details:

www.historiska.se...

Just found this article:
"Sweden and EU Count Cost of Snub to Euro (Swedes say NO to Euro)"
Link:
story.news.yahoo.com.../nm/20030915/wl_nm/sweden_euro_dc

Excerpt:
"STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden got a clear message on Monday that it will pay a political price for snubbing the euro by being frozen out of EU decision-making, but financial markets shrugged off the "No" vote as a welcome end to uncertainty.

The resounding 56-42 percent "No" to the euro in Sunday's referendum follows a rejection of the European Union (news - web sites) single currency by the Danes in 2000 and a "not yet" from Britain.

"I profoundly regret this. I think it is bad news for Europe and bad news for Sweden," said Foreign Minister Ana Palacio of euro member Spain, while the Netherlands called it "a shame."

Swedish European Commissioner Margot Wallstrom warned Swedes of the "economic and political price to pay for remaining outside," echoing European Commission (news - web sites) chief Romano Prodi's reaction to the snub to the euro, used from Finland to Portugal.

Asked if Sweden would lose influence by staying outside the 12-nation euro zone along with fellow EU members Britain and Denmark, Prodi told Swedish Television: "Certainly, yes."

Sweden is the only one of the 15 EU member states that is neither a member of the euro nor of NATO (news - web sites). Its "No" Sunday contrasted with a solid "Yes" to EU membership in Estonia, one of 10 countries hoping to join in 2004 and the euro soon after."

regards
seekerof

Originally posted by FULCRUM
Yeah, Turkey is out.. as their human right situation is crappy.. they are basicly savages.

And it really doesnt help Turkey much when they say: 'the people we are abusing are only Kurds..'

Did not know they could even mention the word Kurds???

Have a Kurdish workmate, his wife can not come to Turkey because her name is Kurdistan and they tell her on the border "There is nothing that can be called Kurdistan".

Less then 6% land of Turkey is in Europe.

They dont apply human rights

They are cruel to women and also to animals which they consider not haveing a soul

They abuse minorities (Kurds, Syrians, Lebanese) Living within their borders.

Minorites do not have the same rights as hospital, scool etc.

They have invaded half of a soon to be EU country (Cyprus), forced people to move, killed people, more then 5000 people missing and they are moving Turkish settlers there.


They apply torture in prisons.

They beat the living crap out of prisoners

Prisoners have to share cells with 40 other people and ofcource rats with 2 beds and the rest is cement floor, dirty water, one toilet and very little food.

Thanks,

Seekerof.. that was a good post.

Magnus,

Sound lots like Russia.. only difference being that Russian do know that doing these thing is wrong..

But still.. some of your facts.. are 'little colored' by propaganda.

No disinformation plz.

*edit*

For starters.. Turkey didnt invade Cyprys, they just countered the moves made by Greek military junta, and more than half of the 'orginal Cypriots' were anyhow Turkish.

[Edited on 15-9-2003 by FULCRUM]

I think Sweden will regret this decision in the long run. I understand their decision; they want to protect their socialist philosophy and their well established social welfare that gives them their place as the country with the highest standard of living in the world.

In doing so however, they are in danger of going down the British line of rejecting every decision, regretting it, joining in and then complaining that the rules don't suit us because we weren't there to help make them. If we'd been more aware of the consequences of our decisions on Europe in the past then we would be in the driving seat of Europe at the moment instead of, or with, France and Germany. The only reason they are so capable of influencing decisions within Europe is because they are the two biggest economies there at present, and we've consistently rejected the role. Plus they've done most of the work and in true American style they see that as entitlement to the rewards.

We need to join Europe. A united Europe is the only thing that can stand up to America now and stop it from trying to form the world in its own guise. America is deeply afraid of Europe for several reasons. For one a united Europe with a single currency would be the biggest economic center in the world and would most likely mean OPEC's currency standard being changed to the Euro across the board. A united military in Europe (which admittedly would be a long way of if at all) would see Europe seriously challenging America for the role of the biggest military might in the world. Any of these changes would also psychologically hurt the fragile American ethos of 'we're number one', which would no longer be the case.

The Euro will not affect the culture or the people. Nothing will change but the money. Spain will still have its Siestas, Germans will still munch Sausages and the French will still be haughtily aloof. Major decisions will still have to be taken with a broad consensus, the countries will bitch about each other and things will still take ages to be decided upon. Of course there will be things decided in the background, mostly economic and military, just as there is anywhere else. It is and will not be anywhere near perfect.

As for the NWO, the NWO is the British press and Media against the Euro owned by Americans and Murdoch who staunchly oppose the Euro for the sole purpose of saving America�s position in the world by stopping Europe from happening. The NWO is PNAC, the WTO and Globalization lead by American companies and back by American government for American interests. The NWO is not military; you won�t see troops in your street. Physical takeovers are not needed these days, the power lies in the money and the power of the money lies with America. The NWO is America promoting its predatory form of capitalism across the globe. Britain succumbed to this under Thatcher when the last remaining socialist principles of Britain were ripped up and we bought into the 'greed is good' manta. The NWO agenda that you see largely promoted (and on this site) is the form promoted by right wing propaganda with the aim of instilling the fear of uniting people. (For isn't that what most truly want? a world united as one in harmony?) They want to keep us divided, the old principal 'divide and rule'. America has the true NWO agenda of uniting the world through money and capitalism, under its control and in its image. You can see this happening everywhere under your very nose, far more than any construed European NWO incidences. Of course I�m not saying some elements of Europe are not involved, but they are not in control. They are not the masters.
If you need a military point of view of the NWO America has troops positioned in something like 129 countries worldwide.
Where are Europe�s troops positioned?






[Edited on 16-9-2003 by kegs]

Originally posted by FULCRUM
Thanks,

Seekerof.. that was a good post.

Magnus,

Sound lots like Russia.. only difference being that Russian do know that doing these thing is wrong..

But still.. some of your facts.. are 'little colored' by propaganda.

No disinformation plz.

*edit*

For starters.. Turkey didnt invade Cyprys, they just countered the moves made by Greek military junta, and more than half of the 'orginal Cypriots' were anyhow Turkish.

[Edited on 15-9-2003 by FULCRUM]

Not coloured my Finnish friend, not at all.
Junta was in Greece, not Cyprus, Turkey invaded and concured because a Cyprus priest had an idea of Cyprus becoming a part of Greece. Turk population was less then 20% at that time. I know, I have lived in Cyprus