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Swedes rejected euro at the vote..

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posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
But Fulcrum, if Sweden did that, that would be INTERFERING. It wasnt Swedens business what the Russians did, so long as the Russians didnt bother them! Sweden was a NEUTRAL country. NEUTRAL countries dont get involved, period.

Yet you condemn the US when WE get involved in other peoples business. So, its ok for everyone BUT the US to get involved in wars that have little to concern them?

Sweden stood quite nicely in the middle of waorld war 2 by NOT getting involved like switzerland, and offering safe harbor to refugees fleeing Hitler and his madness. They stayed out of it. What Hitler did was none of THIER business.

So why should Sweden get involved in affairs that dont concern us?

By the way, the US army is comprised of soldiers from MANY countries. If one of those countries gets invaded, by your logic, we should go stand up to them and kick thier ass!


To your last sentences I believe you and am gratefull.
Regarding Russians invading Finland.
Well, Finland was not really Finland at that time, it was a part of Sweden, as were Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Parts of Preussia ans Schleswig Holstein.
It was our own back yard.



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:09 PM
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Thomas,

It is only money..

Money isnt a nation or a culture.. no in Europe anyways.


And i wasnt suggesting that Florida wasnt a part of the US.. it was 'what if' the Florida wasnt a part of US and used different money.


I guess its again my fault that people get me wrong..



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Well, Fulcrum,

when the Un was started, we started it basically because Europe was having a hard time keeping itself from ripping each others throats out, and the idea at the time seemed a good one: an international lobby built with democratic voting and stuff, instead of going to war on a country for #s and giggles, in order to go to war, you have to have everyone take a vote to see if those wars are just.

It degraded from its orginial conception, and now is a joke. Thats why we curse it. We opened up our own pandoras box, and yet another step to NWO.


And this is the main reason why the EU was started, it was to make us dependent of eachother so much that we would not go to war against eachother and have to ask US of A for help.



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture

Originally posted by Fry2
Fulcrum/Uninen likes to Insult entire cultures/ethnicities willy nilly and then comes back later to say he was "just kidding". I vote for a Viking beat down on his ass
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Hehe. In Sweden we really don't pay much attention to what the finns say about us. Too much "Little-brother-mentality". They hate us whatever we do. Like in sports we always cheer for the finns (unless it's them against us) since they are our neighbours. But they always cheer on the opposing side. A finnish sport journalist wrote in one of Finlands major newspapers that the important thing for the finns isn't that Finland wins, but that Sweden doesn't. Lol, quite pathetic when you think about it.


I wont deny this, but i think that we have over grown the 'big-brother'.


And anyways, its only sports.. who cares.. btw when is there going to be a Swedish F1 champion?



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by FULCRUM
EyesOfTheFuture,

Personally i would like to see the JAS Gripen to fly, and not to fall of the sky.
[Edited on 15-9-2003 by FULCRUM]


Well, I rest my case. (see previous post)

Fulcrum, you seem to have some knowledge about military aviation, so you should know that the JAS 39 Griffon is a very capable peace of machinery. Almost every prototype craft experience problems in the development stage, and I think you're aware of this too. You just wanna deal out some cheap blows, so go ahead if it makes you feel better. I prefer to stay out of the sandbox.





[Edited on 2003-9-15 by EyesOfTheFuture]



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Yes, Uni, they stole everything from you.


Japanese Cell phone makers are kicking the crap out of ALL of you. Always have. Mosty cellphones in the US made by japanese companies.

And Motorolla is Japanese, last time I remeber.

Finland didnt steal the Swedidh Bikini Team.

And Sweden gave the world ABBA. So there.

Seattle was settled mostly by swedes and Norweigans, so theres alot of ties here. Lutefisk is better anyway. lemme guess, they stole that from you too?


Sweden did not steal meatballs from Finland, we stole them from Italy but we cook them instead of boiling them.

Nokia is beating Ericsson on cellphones but Ericsson is beating Nokia in phone systems for cell-phones.

Abba, Ace of Base, Roxette, Antique, Europe, E-type among many others.

What about Bj�rn Borg, Ingemar Stenmark, Patrik Sj�berg and not the least, Swedish Bikini team :-)



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by FULCRUM
Thomas,

It is only money..

Money isnt a nation or a culture.. no in Europe anyways.


And i wasnt suggesting that Florida wasnt a part of the US.. it was 'what if' the Florida wasnt a part of US and used different money.


I guess its again my fault that people get me wrong..


I see now from where you come.

I had no trouble while in Europe. I preferred using the currency of the nation I was in and found it no problem. Even if I spent all that money, they'd still take either the dollar or the neighboring money.

Yes, money is a part of a nation's culture. I believe most people would agree to that. I still can't believe the Germans left their currency for the Euro so easily. I think that is sad. Had I known what was coming down the pike, I'd have kept more of their money. Hind sight ain't worth a flip, though!



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:19 PM
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Oops...

[Edited on 2003-9-15 by EyesOfTheFuture]



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by FULCRUM

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Yes, Uni, they stole everything from you.


Japanese Cell phone makers are kicking the crap out of ALL of you. Always have. Mosty cellphones in the US made by japanese companies.

And Motorolla is Japanese, last time I remeber.

Finland didnt steal the Swedidh Bikini Team.

And Sweden gave the world ABBA. So there.

Seattle was settled mostly by swedes and Norweigans, so theres alot of ties here. Lutefisk is better anyway. lemme guess, they stole that from you too?


Skandi.. may i laugh?


Nokia

Is the cell phone maker in the world. Most Americans just think that Nokia is a Japanese word.

Nokia made the first cell phone, and will make the last.


Nokias market share is superior to all competition.


Ericsson made cellphones when Nokia still made rubber tyres!



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:21 PM
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And i wasnt suggesting that Florida wasnt a part of the US.. it was 'what if' the Florida wasnt a part of US and used different money.

I guess its again my fault that people get me wrong..


Mexico uses "different money" Canada uses "different money" You know why? They are different countries!!!
We may be on the same land mass but we all have our different heritage, customs, currency, laws, languages(in some cases) and, most importantly, Identities!

This is where the Uninen logic fails to impress me and others. You are voting to wash away the individual identity of your countries into a homogonous pseudo nation. Why would you support this?



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

I am very interested that it rejected the Euro. How many other EU countries have rejected it other than Sweden and Britain?



Denmark did!



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:29 PM
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Thomas,

Well, like somebody allready said here 'EU' was Adolf Hitlers dream..

A German dream..

so i really dont think that Germans 'rejected their money'.. but infact the Euro are mostly German money.

And also i really think that money is just for buying things, nothing more, nothing less.



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture

Originally posted by FULCRUM
On the news, everybody is saying that this voting for no was/is/is going to be a bad thing for Sweden..


I really don't care what "everybody" says in Finland. Not even the EU's own financial and economical experts believes this to be a very bad thing for Sweden - quite the opposite actually, when considering the economic state of the EU.

No, I think this will be very, very good for us. We want to be in control of our own economy, and now we still are. I have no doubt though, that we will join the European Monetary Union eventually. Major powers are striving for this. But this was the people of our nation striking a blow at the establishment, and it's really a healthy sign.

Personally I would like to see us leave the EU entirely. It's Hitler's dream coming true, 50 years later, in a much more subtle and treacherous way.




I agree in some and some not! Seems I am one who voted yes, and eyesofthefuture voted no.

Still, he has one good point, Hitlers dream to unite Europe is coming thru. The first talks about a European Union did not start with the coal and steal union. It was a French and a Swedish Nazis who started it. I dont have the book here right at hand but the Swede was one of the leaders for the Nazis in Sweden during the war, he later started a movement called "NySvenska R�relsen"= NewSwedish movement" The French guy I dont remember.



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:34 PM
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Nice necklace, magnus, thanks for sharing the pic. I like Viking/Nordic history and mythology, its one of my favorite hobbies. Someday, I shall have to go there. I really wanna see Upsala.

I still have my doubts on the EU. While a united Europe consting of soverign states all with thier own NATO and such would be a great thing and one less burden for the US, the way the Eu is going it seems more and more a big NWO machine powered by the few.

I have always thought Europe should basically have its own continiental defence force minus the US, we really dont have any reason to be there any longer, World War 2 is over, cold war is over, ect, why do we still have NATO and still have troops there?

he EU doesnt just stop at Europes borders either, it goes on further into Asia, with Turkey wanting to join. Will it even be purely European, or will it be transcontinetal? Will it stop there, or will it spread?

Would canada be able to join the EU?



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Fry2

And i wasnt suggesting that Florida wasnt a part of the US.. it was 'what if' the Florida wasnt a part of US and used different money.

I guess its again my fault that people get me wrong..


Mexico uses "different money" Canada uses "different money" You know why? They are different countries!!!
We may be on the same land mass but we all have our different heritage, customs, currency, laws, languages(in some cases) and, most importantly, Identities!

This is where the Uninen logic fails to impress me and others. You are voting to wash away the individual identity of your countries into a homogonous pseudo nation. Why would you support this?




US needs counter force.. and strong EU could just be it.



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by FULCRUM
Magnus,

Thanks for the 'insider view' after all, you are from Sweden.


And like you said: Euros make the life easier. this is the only reason i support and happily use Euros.


But i really dont want a EU which is a 'union of states', i want it more to be like 'coalition of nations'.


Agree! And as you know, there is no such thing as "United States of Europe" and will not be.



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture

Originally posted by Magnus

Originally posted by Fury
Good for them.
My respect for sweeden has gone way up.

nationalisim is teh rox0rs


One might think, but actually here it is the Commies, socialists and Enviromentalists that say no.


That is a lie of course. The votes cut through both political sympathies and social status. The Christian Democrats had a higher percentage of nay-sayers than the Social Democrats for example.

But the socialist party have about 35-40% of the population and the christian democrats only about 10%.
So I would still say a large portion of the No sayers are socialists, Commies and enviromentalists.






posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by FULCRUM
And anyways, its only sports.. who cares.. btw when is there going to be a Swedish F1 champion?


We had them. Remember Ronny Pettersson??? There was one. And some years ago you can find on in the Ferrari team.



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture

Originally posted by FULCRUM
EyesOfTheFuture,

Personally i would like to see the JAS Gripen to fly, and not to fall of the sky.
[Edited on 15-9-2003 by FULCRUM]


Well, I rest my case. (see previous post)

Fulcrum, you seem to have some knowledge about military aviation, so you should know that the JAS 39 Griffon is a very capable peace of machinery. Almost every prototype craft experience problems in the development stage, and I think you're aware of this too. You just wanna deal out some cheap blows, so go ahead if it makes you feel better. I prefer to stay out of the sandbox.






I was at Paris Air Show 1999. The plane people from all over the world was most amazed about was not a F-18, not the Eurofighter, not any Mirage, but the SAAB JAS 39 Gripen



posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Nice necklace, magnus, thanks for sharing the pic. I like Viking/Nordic history and mythology, its one of my favorite hobbies. Someday, I shall have to go there. I really wanna see Upsala.

I still have my doubts on the EU. While a united Europe consting of soverign states all with thier own NATO and such would be a great thing and one less burden for the US, the way the Eu is going it seems more and more a big NWO machine powered by the few.

I have always thought Europe should basically have its own continiental defence force minus the US, we really dont have any reason to be there any longer, World War 2 is over, cold war is over, ect, why do we still have NATO and still have troops there?

he EU doesnt just stop at Europes borders either, it goes on further into Asia, with Turkey wanting to join. Will it even be purely European, or will it be transcontinetal? Will it stop there, or will it spread?

Would canada be able to join the EU?


Turkey wants in, but we dont want Turkey!
USA wants Turkey in because Turkey is USAs biggest Ally in Mid-East. The only country outside of Europe joining is Cyprus but that is because the people of cyprus shares the same people, traditions and culture as Greece.



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