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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
But Fulcrum, if Sweden did that, that would be INTERFERING. It wasnt Swedens business what the Russians did, so long as the Russians didnt bother them! Sweden was a NEUTRAL country. NEUTRAL countries dont get involved, period.
Yet you condemn the US when WE get involved in other peoples business. So, its ok for everyone BUT the US to get involved in wars that have little to concern them?
Sweden stood quite nicely in the middle of waorld war 2 by NOT getting involved like switzerland, and offering safe harbor to refugees fleeing Hitler and his madness. They stayed out of it. What Hitler did was none of THIER business.
So why should Sweden get involved in affairs that dont concern us?
By the way, the US army is comprised of soldiers from MANY countries. If one of those countries gets invaded, by your logic, we should go stand up to them and kick thier ass!
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Well, Fulcrum,
when the Un was started, we started it basically because Europe was having a hard time keeping itself from ripping each others throats out, and the idea at the time seemed a good one: an international lobby built with democratic voting and stuff, instead of going to war on a country for #s and giggles, in order to go to war, you have to have everyone take a vote to see if those wars are just.
It degraded from its orginial conception, and now is a joke. Thats why we curse it. We opened up our own pandoras box, and yet another step to NWO.
Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture
Originally posted by Fry2
Fulcrum/Uninen likes to Insult entire cultures/ethnicities willy nilly and then comes back later to say he was "just kidding". I vote for a Viking beat down on his ass .
Hehe. In Sweden we really don't pay much attention to what the finns say about us. Too much "Little-brother-mentality". They hate us whatever we do. Like in sports we always cheer for the finns (unless it's them against us) since they are our neighbours. But they always cheer on the opposing side. A finnish sport journalist wrote in one of Finlands major newspapers that the important thing for the finns isn't that Finland wins, but that Sweden doesn't. Lol, quite pathetic when you think about it.
Originally posted by FULCRUM
EyesOfTheFuture,
Personally i would like to see the JAS Gripen to fly, and not to fall of the sky. [Edited on 15-9-2003 by FULCRUM]
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Yes, Uni, they stole everything from you.
Japanese Cell phone makers are kicking the crap out of ALL of you. Always have. Mosty cellphones in the US made by japanese companies.
And Motorolla is Japanese, last time I remeber.
Finland didnt steal the Swedidh Bikini Team.
And Sweden gave the world ABBA. So there.
Seattle was settled mostly by swedes and Norweigans, so theres alot of ties here. Lutefisk is better anyway. lemme guess, they stole that from you too?
Originally posted by FULCRUM
Thomas,
It is only money..
Money isnt a nation or a culture.. no in Europe anyways.
And i wasnt suggesting that Florida wasnt a part of the US.. it was 'what if' the Florida wasnt a part of US and used different money.
I guess its again my fault that people get me wrong..
Originally posted by FULCRUM
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Yes, Uni, they stole everything from you.
Japanese Cell phone makers are kicking the crap out of ALL of you. Always have. Mosty cellphones in the US made by japanese companies.
And Motorolla is Japanese, last time I remeber.
Finland didnt steal the Swedidh Bikini Team.
And Sweden gave the world ABBA. So there.
Seattle was settled mostly by swedes and Norweigans, so theres alot of ties here. Lutefisk is better anyway. lemme guess, they stole that from you too?
Skandi.. may i laugh?
Nokia
Is the cell phone maker in the world. Most Americans just think that Nokia is a Japanese word.
Nokia made the first cell phone, and will make the last.
Nokias market share is superior to all competition.
And i wasnt suggesting that Florida wasnt a part of the US.. it was 'what if' the Florida wasnt a part of US and used different money.
I guess its again my fault that people get me wrong..
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
I am very interested that it rejected the Euro. How many other EU countries have rejected it other than Sweden and Britain?
Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture
Originally posted by FULCRUM
On the news, everybody is saying that this voting for no was/is/is going to be a bad thing for Sweden..
I really don't care what "everybody" says in Finland. Not even the EU's own financial and economical experts believes this to be a very bad thing for Sweden - quite the opposite actually, when considering the economic state of the EU.
No, I think this will be very, very good for us. We want to be in control of our own economy, and now we still are. I have no doubt though, that we will join the European Monetary Union eventually. Major powers are striving for this. But this was the people of our nation striking a blow at the establishment, and it's really a healthy sign.
Personally I would like to see us leave the EU entirely. It's Hitler's dream coming true, 50 years later, in a much more subtle and treacherous way.
Originally posted by Fry2
And i wasnt suggesting that Florida wasnt a part of the US.. it was 'what if' the Florida wasnt a part of US and used different money.
I guess its again my fault that people get me wrong..
Mexico uses "different money" Canada uses "different money" You know why? They are different countries!!!
We may be on the same land mass but we all have our different heritage, customs, currency, laws, languages(in some cases) and, most importantly, Identities!
This is where the Uninen logic fails to impress me and others. You are voting to wash away the individual identity of your countries into a homogonous pseudo nation. Why would you support this?
Originally posted by FULCRUM
Magnus,
Thanks for the 'insider view' after all, you are from Sweden.
And like you said: Euros make the life easier. this is the only reason i support and happily use Euros.
But i really dont want a EU which is a 'union of states', i want it more to be like 'coalition of nations'.
Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture
Originally posted by Magnus
Originally posted by Fury
Good for them.
My respect for sweeden has gone way up.
nationalisim is teh rox0rs
One might think, but actually here it is the Commies, socialists and Enviromentalists that say no.
That is a lie of course. The votes cut through both political sympathies and social status. The Christian Democrats had a higher percentage of nay-sayers than the Social Democrats for example.
But the socialist party have about 35-40% of the population and the christian democrats only about 10%.
So I would still say a large portion of the No sayers are socialists, Commies and enviromentalists.
Originally posted by FULCRUM
And anyways, its only sports.. who cares.. btw when is there going to be a Swedish F1 champion?
Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture
Originally posted by FULCRUM
EyesOfTheFuture,
Personally i would like to see the JAS Gripen to fly, and not to fall of the sky. [Edited on 15-9-2003 by FULCRUM]
Well, I rest my case. (see previous post)
Fulcrum, you seem to have some knowledge about military aviation, so you should know that the JAS 39 Griffon is a very capable peace of machinery. Almost every prototype craft experience problems in the development stage, and I think you're aware of this too. You just wanna deal out some cheap blows, so go ahead if it makes you feel better. I prefer to stay out of the sandbox.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Nice necklace, magnus, thanks for sharing the pic. I like Viking/Nordic history and mythology, its one of my favorite hobbies. Someday, I shall have to go there. I really wanna see Upsala.
I still have my doubts on the EU. While a united Europe consting of soverign states all with thier own NATO and such would be a great thing and one less burden for the US, the way the Eu is going it seems more and more a big NWO machine powered by the few.
I have always thought Europe should basically have its own continiental defence force minus the US, we really dont have any reason to be there any longer, World War 2 is over, cold war is over, ect, why do we still have NATO and still have troops there?
he EU doesnt just stop at Europes borders either, it goes on further into Asia, with Turkey wanting to join. Will it even be purely European, or will it be transcontinetal? Will it stop there, or will it spread?
Would canada be able to join the EU?