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posted on Nov, 25 2005 @ 09:24 PM
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Hey guys, how would this gun fare as home defense gun?

Hi-Point 995

It looks attractive, it uses cheap pistol ammuniton and shouldn't over-penetrate too much, what ya think?




posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 05:15 AM
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for the people in the UK
since firearms are banned



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posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 06:04 AM
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They want to ban firearms all over the EU so they can employ their NWO tactics on us, only criminals can own guns...so we are at their mercy until the cops arive...

And Bodrul, atleast you guys can own Airsoft guns there, they are banned here...

Same with realistic looking and semi-realistic looking air guns...

[edit on 26/11/2005 by GrOuNd_ZeRo]



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 06:23 AM
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Well Ground Zero, the only way to really know if a weapon is any good is to buy one and spend a lot of range time with it.

I have never give these gun writer much ear.

Roper



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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I was thinking about getting an SKS, maybe putting an synthetic stock on it.

from what i have seen they are a pretty inexpensive rifle, but i dont know much about them.

anyone own one ?

what are they like with accuracy and reliability ?



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Patriot36
I was thinking about getting an SKS, maybe putting an synthetic stock on it.

from what i have seen they are a pretty inexpensive rifle, but i dont know much about them.

anyone own one ?

what are they like with accuracy and reliability ?


Don't own one, but have seen them in use. Accurate enough over realistic combat ranges (



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
They want to ban firearms all over the EU so they can employ their NWO tactics on us, only criminals can own guns...so we are at their mercy until the cops arive...

And Bodrul, atleast you guys can own Airsoft guns there, they are banned here...

Same with realistic looking and semi-realistic looking air guns...

[edit on 26/11/2005 by GrOuNd_ZeRo]


they are trying to put a bill through parl to put more restrictions on all bb guns and so on in the UK.
and to make it harder to obtain one through the internet



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by bodrul
for the people in the UK
since firearms are banned

Fire arms are not banned, unless your saying the Accuracy International AE sniper rifle is not a firearm?

Or the PGM Mini-Hecate is not a firearm?

Ah well then I take it they are not.



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Fire arms are not banned, unless your saying the Accuracy International AE sniper rifle is not a firearm?

Or the PGM Mini-Hecate is not a firearm?

Ah well then I take it they are not.



ok then almost all are banned to the public

since you cant buy one for reasons for self deffence or sporting
you see any gun shops around england?
only people that have guns are a few who go hunting in diffrent countries

since 1997 possession of a firearm is a criminal offence and comes with 3-6 years in prison



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by bodrul
ok then almost all are banned to the public

since you cant buy one for reasons for self deffence or sporting
you see any gun shops around england?

You can buy both of those weapons, believe me mate. I once walked into a room which had atleast 30 shotguns in it on display and ready for sale.

You can buy them for sporting, there is no reason you need one for self defence since the the public has more than adequate defences without the need for firearms.
A) Target shooting
B) Hunting
C) Clay pigeon shooting.

Those are just 3 examples.


only people that have guns are a few who go hunting in diffrent countries

Wrong! Thats why we have the NRA



since 1997 possession of a firearm is a criminal offence and comes with 3-6 years in prison

Yet again, wrong.
It IS illegal to have on in a public place aka walking into a high street with a 7.62mm sniper rifle on your back.
It is also illegal to have a fully automatic, burst fire or self loading rifle larger than .22mms.
Read here..
www.met.police.uk...



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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never knew we had a NRA in england

any links to their site?

so its legal for people to by rifles and shotguns
cool didnt know that

guess it was just handguns that are banned
news.bbc.co.uk...

edit: being someone that has been mugged at gun point i dont find it adequate .


[edit on 26-11-2005 by bodrul]



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by bodrul
never knew we had a NRA in england

any links to their site?

Sure mate, been to bisley...the home of shooting world wide.
Amazing place...
www.nra.org.uk...


so its legal for people to by rifles and shotguns
cool didnt know that

Yes it is.


guess it was just handguns that are banned
news.bbc.co.uk...

Quite a large ammount of fire arms are banned.
Everything above 9mm is practically, but they still exist.



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by bodrul
edit: being someone that has been mugged at gun point i dont find it adequate .
[edit on 26-11-2005 by bodrul]

Mate, there is always going to be cases where it cant be stopped, but the police do try and stop it. I take it your in nodnol? (London for all you non RDers)



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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i live 30min north of london

so how do i obtain a certificate and find the closest shooting range (club )


oh thanks for the link going to check it out



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 03:49 PM
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Here Stateside..I would go with something like a .30 carbine...or a SKS. Otherwise I would choose a 20 gauge shotgun preferably a pump. This is something most women can learn to handle as well as are the .30 carbines or SKS. The .30 carbines are somewhat pricey today but not the SKS. Pump shotguns are priced right for this intended use.
The pump shotgun most certainly would have a variety of ammuition types available. The 12 gauges are to much for most women. 20 gauge is about right and close up where it counts they are effective.
Pistols are ok..but dollar for dollar I would go with the shotgun...or one of the rifles.
Do not ignore the presence of children in this senerio either..this too is most important no matter what you purchase and especially how you choose to store it .


Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by bodrul
i live 30min north of london

so how do i obtain a certificate and find the closest shooting range (club )

Go to the club (dont know but bisley is pretty close to heathrow.) and they will explain it pretty well, the SO-19 site gives info.



oh thanks for the link going to check it out

No prob.



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 05:27 PM
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Along with others in here, I would reccommend against a rifle for home defense use, unless you live alone in a rural area. A rifle round will go right through walls and take out your family or neighbors. Get a shotgun, or a pistol if you dont have room to stow a shotgun.

The SKS is a nice rifle that can be had for a reasonable price, but 7.62 ammo will go a long way before it finally hits something that stops it. A shotgun is a safer bet if you want to hit an intruder and only an intruder.



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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agree with your assessment of penetration..and the utility of the shotgun.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 09:48 PM
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I have to make do with a gas blowback Mac 11 BB gun, a large medieval mace and my personal favourite - Hand and a Half sword of Albrecht II (A fully functional reproduction).

I don't really need any home protection, seeing as I live in a fairly safe area.
I wouldn't say no to a shotgun though.



posted on Nov, 27 2005 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by bodrul
i live 30min north of london

so how do i obtain a certificate and find the closest shooting range (club )


To legally own a firearm or shotgun in th UK you must convince the police that you have a justifiable reason for owning one. There are 2 types of licence open to civilians - either shotgun or section 1. Shotgun licences are easier to obtain. You can either;

- Contact at least 2 (preferably 3) land owners and gain written permission to shoot on their land. This will only work for hunting guns, (mostly shotguns)

OR

- Join a gun club that has facilities for the type of firearm you want to buy.

Firearm choices are quite restricted. Shotguns must have a barrel length of at least so-many inches (can't remember exact number). They must have smooth barrels and have a capacity of no more than 3 rounds. The only exception is high-power air rifles (>12ft lbs power), which are also covered by this certificate

Rifles can be most calibres, although most clubs can't handle very big calibres (.50 BMG etc), as these require a FFR (field firing range. They cannot be semi-auto unless the calibre is below .22LR. Most bolt-action rifles are OK though.

Pistols - No chance really for anything useful. .22LR is OK, but nothing bigger if you want semi-auto. Single shot pistols are allowed, but access is controlled as it is difficult to justify their ownership.

Anything else requires a section 5 dealers certificate.

Home defense is not seen as a legaly justifiable reason for possessing a shotgun or firearm certificate. If you are going to choose any of these for home defense, the shotgun is the only real choice.




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