China Refused To Share H5N1 Samples Taken From Birds... Thanks

Why am I not surprised here? Given the callus disregard for its own citizenry it would seem Its not all that surprising that they are not really cooperating with trying to keep H5N1 at bay. Well reap what you sow. China is home to the biggest chicken population in the word (25% of the worlds chicken population resides there) 2/3 of the worlds domesticated ducks and 90% of the domesticated geese.

Much like the SARS outbreak it seems that way to deal with this type of outbreak is to pull your drawbridge up and only talk about if forced :shk: Hey the doctor that let the world know about SARS was only recently released from the Gulag there.

The first known case of the A(H5N1) strain of avian influenza was found in 1996 in a goose in China. While the Chinese government insists that no poultry in the country has the disease now, Hong Kong University scientists who have studied the genetic evolution of the virus wrote in the journal Nature in July that infected migratory birds in western China appeared to have contracted the disease in southern China; the virus has since spread from western China to East Asia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkey and Romania.

Chinese health authorities in Beijing have called repeatedly for national vigilance against the disease. But they have refused to share virus samples from infected, wild birds this year with international organizations and have quarreled with researchers who have suggested that the disease remains a problem.
www.nytimes.com...

[edit on 10/18/05 by FredT]

You see there? These guys care very little about human lives.

Where is that little fellow who was trying to tell us that living in China is safe? Maybe he'll be around to tell us this spring.

Maybe we'll be around to hear it. If so, no thanks tothe Chinese government!

Just breathing the air over there is dangerous

Oh crap, I was in Australia a few weeks back. We landed at Malaysia for a day. Thats close to China right?!? Knew I shouldn't have gone.... Oh great now Im paranoid!

Originally posted by Atomix
Oh crap, I was in Australia a few weeks back. We landed at Malaysia for a day. Thats close to China right?!? Knew I shouldn't have gone.... Oh great now Im paranoid!

Dont be. It doesnt jump from human to human yet. All the outbreaks have been small cases, not major outbreaks.


But I can see from a certain point of view why China wouldnt be interested in sharing their research.. Its a country still in the shadow of communism, and therefore are very suspecious of the west. And if they get a vaccine first, then they have a sustantial advantage. Especially if it mutates into a human-human disease.

Last time this line came out was in September, 2005 - and it was damage control because the international science journal Nature published a scathing article with this title:

Flu Researchers Slam US for Hoarding Data



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Soficrow you US bashing has reached new lows (congrats I guess)

THe simple fact is that China tried to cover up the SARS outbreak and then punished the doctor who let the world know and prepare :shk:
China: Release Whistleblowing Doctor

Did China cover up spread of avian flu?

It happened last year in China with the SARS epidemic, and earlier with AIDS. In both cases, the first reaction of Chinese officials was to hide the truth, pretending that the outbreaks were relatively mild and insignificant. In both cases, the cover-up continued until Beijing finally bowed to intense international pressure and began disclosing the frightening depth of its crises. Now some observers worry that Beijing might be concealing the extent of the avian-flu outbreak to avoid the embarrassment and economic costs of the true situation.

Thursday, at their first news conference since the bird-flu outbreak erupted last month, Chinese health and agriculture officials were peppered with questions about a suspected coverup of the bird-flu outbreak. Reporters asked how Beijing could continue to claim that no humans were infected with bird flu, with more than 56,000 birds infected in chicken farms in almost half of the provinces.

They asked whether anyone would be fired for concealing the disease, and whether an inquiry would be held.

And they asked why Beijing continues to ban foreign journalists from any of the infected regions.
www.azstarnet.com...

WHO and FAO kept in dark on bird flu virus found in pigs in China
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UN health and agriculture officials in China said they were not informed by
the government of the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus being found in pigs, the
first such discovery in the world.

The surprising revelation was made by China's National Avian Influenza
Reference Laboratory director Chen Hualan during a symposium on the SARS
and bird flu diseases.

Chen said bird flu had been detected in pigs in several places in China in
2003 and thus far in 2004. She was speaking during a presentation at the
International Symposium on the Prevention and Control of SARS and Avian Flu.

Officials at the World Health Organization (WHO) and United Nations Food
and Agriculture Organization (FAO) said it was the first they had heard of
the development, which could have serious implications in the disease
becoming more easily transmittable from animals to humans.

The WHO immediately asked the FAO to seek confirmation from China's
Ministry of Agriculture, its spokesman in China Roy Wadia told AFP. Chen
said the virus in pigs was first detected in 2003, raising concerns that
China still may not be as forthcoming as it should be. This is despite
promising to keep international health agencies well-informed after being
criticized for covering up an outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome
last year. "Ideally the communication would be in a transparent and timely
manner," Wadia said.
uk.news.yahoo.com...

"I want to direct your attention toward avian flu, an issue that, given its scope and potential consequences, receives very little attention both in the traditional press and blogosphere. I've been following this for some time, basically the World Health Organization is doing everything NOT to raise the alert level from stage 3 to stage 5 or 6, and has tried to explain away clear cases of human-to-human transmission (these cases mean we're at Stage 5 at least). There are also LOTS of rumors China is covering up an outbreak of Stage 6 human-to-human bird flu. China has been completely uncooperative with the WHO, refuses to let out most medical samples, and has even threatened epidemiologists. Nevertheless, the few published samples available from China (obtained from dead birds in Qinghai) all have genetic traits of strains that infect mammals, including humans. The worry is that these samples come from a major nexus in bird migration routes, meaning that this dangerous virus will soon be dispersed throughout Eurasia (it's already popping up in Russia)."
www.windsofchange.net...

Ets etc etc. So Its hardly "Damage Control" No I do realize that just about everything you post is a rant against the US and the like, but maybe taking off thos blinders will see the big picture on this one. The bottom line is China has systematical tried to cover up the outbreaks. May be sitting on confirmed h2h transmissions, Organization like the WHO had a hard time getting them to cooperate etc.

Originally posted by FredT
Soficrow you US bashing has reached new lows (congrats I guess)

You need to look further than your own bias, FredT.

Ets etc etc. So Its hardly "Damage Control" No I do realize that just about everything you post is a rant against the US and the like, but maybe taking off thos blinders will see the big picture on this one. The bottom line is China has systematical tried to cover up the outbreaks. May be sitting on confirmed h2h transmissions, Organization like the WHO had a hard time getting them to cooperate etc.

It's a well-known international issue that the US did not share data - so why bash China for the same thing?

It also is not only possible but very likely that H5N1 already is in the USA, and elsewhere, not just China. But we won't know for sure because no one is using molecular diagnostics. Oh yeah, and because 46 million Americans don't have medical insurance and can't afford to see a doctor.


So how 'bout let's stop blame laying and China bashing - and look at the BIG picture?




Like:

According to IMF, China now has 837.9 Billion USD of foreign reserve (including Hong Kong) surpassing Japan with 834 Billion USD of foreign reserve to become the country with the most foreign reserve in the world.

China's trade surplus this year is expected to become 100 billion USD compared to last years 32 billion USD. The raising of the value of the Yuan did not lower Chinese trade surplus but indirectly raised the trade surplus of China to three times that of last year.

www.forbes.com...

See: www.abovetopsecret.com...
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[edit on 19-10-2005 by soficrow]