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reply posted on 31-10-2005 @ 11:57 AM by SkepticOverlord
Hrm... not even a member for two months... and already some issues with long-standing rules. Let's see if we can resolve some of these:

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
I don't remember the exact rules which do this but basically any of the folowing will get you banned:
1) soliciting money
2) soliciting group action
3) advertising a site set up to help accomplish one or both of the above

The "slippery slope" concept applies here. If we were to allow these things, do we allow all of them? If not, who decides which are inappropriate? And even the "appropriate" items might become so numerous that none are effective. The line needed to be drawn and it was drawn high so that our discussion board can focus on what it does best... discussing important issues.

So we go round and round with discussions - but few ideas can ever get put into practice except by select individuals working alone.
I think this is truly a waste of our potential here - as even the Boyscouts and Girlscouts use their collective membership power to accomplish goals in the community and the US at large.

I think you have no idea what our real potential is. Pick any relevant conspiracy topic, or even a remotely connected topic... search it in Google... we're likely in the top 10. In October alone, over 15,000 unique searches brought over 800,000 visitors to ATS.

Many call our current period in history the "information age," as the Internet has revolutionized content delivery. Where else can you have your own theories, ideas, and opinions efficiently published and delivered (for free) to such a massive audience? Information is key. We provide a place to examine alternative angles to important issues, and make sure the world knows about it. Seems like we're already a massive group taking action with information.

But as long as the Draconian rules are in place it will never transpire

Excuse me?

And sure some member could set up his own websit - but without the member base or the ability to advertise it here - it would not have half a chance to succeed.

We've provided free advertising for worthy efforts before, and would certainly do so in the future. However, this is often hard due to our efforts to maintain a neutral stance.

Its this lost potential of excellent grass roots action that makes me sad...

Again, you've completely missed what ATS is.


reply posted on 31-10-2005 @ 12:51 PM by Springer
What you want is a free ride to advertise and accomplish your goals or dreams on OUR backs. Nothing more, nothing less.

We didn't build this site and work this hard to make it a charitable advertising agency for anyone who wants to sell something to our members or solicit them for "donations".

As S.O. pointed out, we do, from time to time, provide FREE promotion for worthy causes, and like he said that's hard to do since we won't be labeled as having a stance one way or the other in a certain issue. WE choose what to promote because WE are charged with the stewardship of this community.

You have completely MISSED what ATS is.

ATS is the culmination of years of hard work, capital investment and COMMUNITY Collaboration. This happened in large part because we DON'T so what you are advocating.


We are taking this community and it's ideals, to the Television to enhance the site and community NOT individual projects or money making schemes.

A major Hollywood production company and a major television network are making ATSTV a reality because they agree that we have done well by NOT selling out or caving into the obvious cash cow this site could be if greed or ego was our motivation.

That's the bottom line, it's one thing for you to proclaim a desire for this but yet another when you start criticizing us for not doing it. If we are so wrong and ignorant, go build a site and see how you feel about it after 4 or 5 years of hard work and the earned[/] trust of a huge membership. If, after all that assuming you succeed, you still think that taking advantage of the membership you have attracted is the right thing to do then by all means do it.

Springer...


reply posted on 23-3-2006 @ 05:05 AM by Majic
Suggestions And Comments

Originally posted by enomus
yea, i tried that once after being warned for a one sentence response (which was actually a joke i made trying to lighten up a thread that was turning ugly) and was basically told if i didn't like it i didn't have to post here anymore. not a very professional way to deal with complaints.

Wow, has it been five months already?

I can't speak for other staff members, and I don't know the details of this particular exchange, but that does sound rather brusque.

Not everyone is as fond of flowery prose as I am.

I wrote the comment you're responding to five months ago as a Councilor, and of course my role on ATS has changed since then, but I still stand by my recommendation.

It's called the "Suggestion" button now, but it's still a great resource for members.

However, there's also another option for situations like these...

Just Between U And Me

Now that I'm a moderator, I'm really coming to appreciate the power of U2Us. A huge percentage of moderator business takes place via U2U, member-to-member, privately, to avoid unneeded drama.

My advice: if you still feel hurt by what a staff member told you, send that person a U2U saying so. Just be honest and try to be nice. You never know, you may well get the apology you've felt you deserved.

Or not. It's up to the staff member in question, and hey, we're people too. Maybe you hurt someone's feelings yourself.

No harm in asking, and no harm in talking about it, person to person.

Just sayin'.




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