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reply posted on 17-10-2005 @ 09:00 PM by LeftBehind
Here you go,

en.wikipedia.org...

Hopefully that will clear things up for you.

Edit:

Here's another one for you.

www.cia.gov...

[edit on 17-10-2005 by LeftBehind]


reply posted on 17-10-2005 @ 09:36 PM by AceOfBase
There have been many persons in Europe who wanted to establish a new Israeli State for the Jews.
One of those persons was Napoleon Bonaparte who called for the return of the Jews to Palestine in 1799.


Napoleon Bonaparte's Letter to the Jews April 20,, 1799

The young army with which Providence has sent me hither, let by justice and accompanied by victory, has made Jerusalem my head-quarters and will, within a few days, transfer them to Damascus, a proximity which is no longer terrifying to David's city.

Rightful heirs of Palestine !

The great nation which does not trade in men and countries as did those which sold your ancestors unto all people (Joel,4,6) herewith calls on you not indeed to conquer your patrimony ;nay, only to take over that which has been conquered and, with that nation's warranty and support, to remain master of it to maintain it against all comers.


Napoleon failed to hold the territory so was not able to fulfill his promise.


Almost a century later a man named Theodore Herzl, the father of Zionism, set out on the goal to create a Jewish state as a way for the Jews to escape anti-semitism in Europe.


Binyamin Ze'ev Herzl Father of Zionism 1860-1904

Herzl concluded that anti-Semitism was a stable and immutable factor in human society, which assimilation did not solve. He mulled over the idea of Jewish sovereignty, and, despite ridicule from Jewish leaders, published Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State, 1896). Herzl argued that the essence of the Jewish problem was not individual but national. He declared that the Jews could gain acceptance in the world only if they ceased being a national anomaly. The Jews are one people, he said, and their plight could be transformed into a positive force by the establishment of a Jewish state with the consent of the great powers. He saw the Jewish question as an international political question to be dealt with in the arena of international politics.


It wasn't really until 1917 that the Jewish state really came closer to reality, when the Balfour Declaration was issued by the British Lord James Balfour.
He called for the creation of a Jewish homeland within, not in place of, Palestine.

The declaration was worked on with a Russian Zionist named Chaim Weizmann. THE BALFOUR DECLARATION

Jewish immigration to Palestine increased after this and it, along with being ruled by a foreign power, became a source of tension among the mostly Arab population of Palestine, who demanded an independent state run by Muslims. PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION 1922.


They were some riots, the worst of which was probably the one in 1936.

After that one, the British formed the Peel Commission to find a solution to the problem. In 1937, they recommended the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab States with Jerusalem under international mandate.
REPORT of the PALESTINE ROYAL COMMISSION 1937

1937 Partition Map

This was rejected by both the Palestinians and the Jews. The Palestinians rejected it outright and the Zionists rejected it because they felt that not enough land was being given to them.

The Palestinian Revolt

In 1937 the Twentieth Zionist Congress rejected the proposed boundaries but agreed in principle to partition. Palestinian Arab nationalists rejected any kind of partition. The British government approved the idea of partition and sent a technical team to make a detailed plan. This group, the Woodhead Commission, reversed the Peel Commission's findings and reported in November 1937 that partition was impracticable; this view in its turn was accepted. The Palestinian Revolt broke out again in the autumn of 1937. The British put down the revolt using harsh measures, shutting down the AHC and deporting many Palestinian Arab leaders.



The violence continued and both the Arabs and the Jews began attacking the British. The British eventually gave up control of Palestine and handed over the problem to the UN. The UN then proposed a partition again in 1947, giving 55% of the land to the Jews who only accounted for about one third of the population. UNTIED NATIONS SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE 1947

1947 Partition Map

This was rejected by the Arabs within Palestine and from neighboring countries. When it was finally passed, with the British abstaining from the vote, the Arab countries fulfilled their promise to attack the Jews in Israel but they were defeated and Israel claimed even more territory than they had before.

When another war erupted in 1967, they took control of the West Bank and Gaza also but those areas were eventually put back in control of the Arabs, for the most part.

[edit on 17-10-2005 by AceOfBase]


reply posted on 20-10-2005 @ 04:41 AM by The Vagabond
3300 BC The Ghassulian culture in the region is followed by "Semetic" culture- not necessarily Jewish- the Canaanites who the Hebrews displaced were technically of the same culture.

Circa 18th Century BC: Judaism is supposedly founded and Abraham first travels to the land of Canaan- modern Israel (I say supposedly because I know some will dispute the dates, which are mostly inferred from comparison of events in the bible to mentions of historical figures in the bible, establishing a rough and sometimes inspecific chronology).

Circa 13th Century BC: Hebrews (supposedly) flee captivity in Egypt

Early 12th Century BC: The Hittites are conquered, the Canaanites are temporarily displaced, and the Jews move into Canaan. The Canaanites come back and try to drive them out.

Late 12th BC: King David goes to war with the Canaanites again, conquering most of what is now Israel. Jerusalem becomes the capital of Israel for the first time. Syria becomes a vassal state to Israel.

Mid 10th Century BC: The Temple is built in Jerusalem.

587 BC: The Babylonians take Jerusalem and destory the first temple. Babylonian Captivity begins- many Jews are exiled, taken as slaves, or flee on their own.

539-37 BC: The Persians conquer the Babylonians and let the Jews go back home. The Second Temple is built.

332 BC: Alexander the Great conquers the Persians. The Jews pledge their loyalty to him.

323 BC: Alexander the Great dies, Israel changes hands several times in just a couple of decades.

63 BC: Rome conquers the area under Pompey.

AD 6: Caesar Augustus makes it a province.

66: The Jews Revolt. Rome kicks their butt, destroys their temple AGAIN, and many Jews are driven out by the Roman retalliation.

70: The Romans, as further punishment, name the area "Palestine" after the Philistines, enemies of the Jews.

395: The Roman Empire is fractured, the Eastern Empire (Byzantines) rule the area. It becomes a center of Christianity.

634: The Islamic Caliphate gains control of the area. Arabic becomes the new language, Islam the new religion.

1516: The Ottoman Empire gains control. This is interrupted briefly by Napolean, but for all intents and purposes lasts until WWI.

The last two entries are the really important ones- this is where outsiders finally transform what has been Jewish land for 2000 years into Muslim land.

1920: The League of Nations establishes the British Mandate of Palestine, which included both Israel and modern Jordan. The British determined that the area East of the Jordan River was not subject to the provision for a Jewish state, and Jordan was created. Jews at this point are still 11% of the populations.

1920-1945: Jewish immigration explodes under British control- the area becomes 31% Jewish.

1936: The Peel Commission recommends splitting the area West of the Jordan between Arabs and Jews. The Arabs launch "The Great Uprising" in an attempt to stop Jewish immigration, since the British have refused to give them the entire area. The Jews organize militias both to retaliate against the Arabs and to drive the British out.

1947: The British leave and devide it finally between Israel and Palestine. Israel accepts the terms. Palestine and its neighbors do not.

May 14th, 1948: Israel officially becomes independent. Palestine, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria all immediate declare war. They lose most of the Palestinian territory in this war.
Jordan annexes the West Bank. Egypt Occupies the Gaza Strip.

1967: The Arabs attack again, resulting in the Six Day Smackdown. The West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights of Southern Syria, and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula are all taken by Israel after the invaders are dealt a crushing defeat.

1973: The Egyptians launch a surprise attack on Israel during the Yom Kippur Holiday. They make a little more of a fight of it this time- it lasted a full 18 days before Israel had completely routed the Egyptian and Syrian Armies. Israel had routed the Egyptian and Syrian armies. They were in position to completely anhilate what remained of the Egyptian 3rd army and to move on Cairo, the Suez, and Damascus. The Soviets threatened to intervene and that was averted.


So basically, they've been there for a few thousand years, but they keep getting conquered by outsiders. In the last few centuries, the outsiders made a real impact on demographics there, mostly through force, but nevertheless that leaves us with the problem of two distinct cultures which basically consider the region home.

The British tried to work out a compromise. The Israelis wanted to compromise. The arabs did not. The Arabs have attacked the Israelis again and again since 1948, and they keep losing. Finally, at some point in the 80s-90s, the arabs figured out that it wasn't working, so they stopped attacking with stuff that can be seen from satellites and limited their war to terrorism. They mastered the art of saying one thing in english for the soundbytes while preaching terror in their native tongue. That worked much better than declaring war. Everyone wants to cry a river for the poor Palestinians.
"Just because somebody lost a war THAT THEY STARTED doesn't mean that they should have to face consequences, especially not losing land."

I can't help wondering if these same people would feel compelled to rebuild the Ottoman Empire and tell them that we're sorry for winning the first world war. Perhaps while they're at it they would like to give a nice chunk of Canada back to the Cajuns who the Brits displaced.

By the way, if anyone sees Ian Smith, tell him to get back to Rhodesia and prepare to consolidate the power of the white minority over the African population. Remember, you can't punish somebody for starting a war, especially if its arguably a civil war, even if their motives are highly racist... or at least that's what the pro-palestinian side tells me.
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