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Originally posted by Ambient Sound
I feel that some things, such as the religiously arrogant and their self-rightous hypocracy (self-realized or not) should be vocally opposed, just on general principles, especially when I think their motives are not positive.
Thanks for the link, but I prefer e-sword—with which I have done countless word studies on countless words.
Originally posted by Machine
Go to this link and type in the words, “faith” and “believed” and look at all the scripture that demands everyone to believe or have faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.
Don’t trouble yourself—I can read and do have abundant access to scripture, of various translations, as well as dictionaries and concordances. One thing I do forego, however, is commentary.
I got tired of typing it all out there are hundreds of scriptures that proclaim the need for faith in Jesus Christ or belief in Him to be saved.
No, He came to shine the light of life--so that through Him all men would believe the truth that can set them free.
Originally posted by dbrandt
There is bad news for mankind, we are seperated from God. The Good News is that doesn't have to be the case anymore, Christ came to take your sin away if you will place your faith in Him.
I read it at least 3 hours a day--first thing when I get up, if possible. I also snatch a little bit here and there when I'm waiting in a line somewhere, or on my break at work. It's been about 2 years or so that I have been in that habit. Actually, at the beginning, it was almost constantly--if that surprises you, then understand it surprised me ten times as much. It wasn't my plan nor did I seek to say God 'called me' somehow. I just couldn't help myself--truly I was compelled. And although I have always been an intense person, pursuing anything I chose with dedication until I tired of it, even the thing that kept my interest the longest didn't last more than 3 months.
Of course it says we are to believe and have faith in Christ completed work on our behalf. You also didn't know He said we are to preach the gospel, so now I question if you have ever read the Bible for yourself or not.
I truly couldn't tell you--I don't follow those kinds of things as far as strife and contentions go. There has always been far more division in the so-called church than there has ever been even the desire for unity--easy enough to see that somehow it's not exactly what it purports itself to be. No one is free in that kind of situation--therefore how can it be truth, if we trust in the words of the LORD?
Originally posted by kedfr
Excellent post queenannie
Incidently, isn't this the debate that Calvinists/Puritans/Presbyterians have been having with other (more moderate) branches of the Protestant church ever since the Reformation?
Certainly I did--just as I will deny any label someone tries to apply to me in order to designate where my beliefs and understandings place me in regard to the rest of the world. I don't follow any certain prescribed set of beliefs--for all such were composed according to the beliefs of another, since I cannot align myself with what another soul believes. I can only align myself with what God reveals to my own heart.
Originally posted by Machine
Matthew 3:7 was indeed spoken by John the Baptist. I neglected to paste the label, “(John the Baptist) next to this scripture like I had done for the quote made by Paul. My mistake and I apologize.
I must admit Queenannie38 you had me perplexed. I was told by another member that you were a Christian but then you denied being a Christian in another post. I don’t recall but thought I had asked you if you believed in the concept of universalism. This is the idea that all mankind will be saved at some point in the future. Didn’t you deny this label as well, I forget?
Actually, I've said as much previously, but this is just the first time you actually paid attention and/or gave me credit for being straightforward and honest about myself.
Now I read that you believe that Jesus Christ is LORD and God. That you believe that He died for your sins and was resurrected and that He is indeed LORD of your life.
So what? That doesn't make me a 'christian'--just because you deem that I fit in under your requirements for such. The name of my LORD is not 'christ'--that is just a Greek word which means the same as Messiah, or 'anointed.' God changes men's name in accordance to their calling--but the idea of being a christian is not one that God has given. It was given to 'christianos' in Antioch--by the gentiles (read: not inherently disposed to trust in the Living God of Israel, basically 'heathen' in those days) to identify between those Jews who believed in Messiah as opposed to those that did not. It meant, in the Greek, 'a follower/disciple of Messiah' in the Greek vernacular of the time. But it was seized upon by Constantine 300 years later (the action of which caused it no longer to be essentially an 'X' on one's forehead, marked for extermination) in the interest of maintaining control and cohesiveness within the Roman Empire through the control of 'god' (supposedly).
Queenannie38 I hate to break this to you but you are a Christian! You hold to the most important beliefs of the Christian faith.
Because I do not take the LORD's name in vain--even though that's not His name.
Why did you tell me you were not a Christian?
If you feel you must, I will not argue. But don't seek to 'dispute my teachings'--I'm not looking for a debate unless you agree to a formal one on the debate forum. I have another purpose altogether for the things I say, and it's not anything to do with you, personally. You're shadow boxing.
I still dispute your teachings on universalism but now I must do it as a fellow brother in Christ.
I don't know what to say? to your vast forgiving nature and good pleasure in retracting your hasty words of unwarranted judgment? As far as what I'm saying not being biblical--can't you prove it without question for yourself--and to others? Or does it all depend on what I call myself?
Based on what you have now revealed to me I retract my statement made against you that you are antichrist but I’m still concerned that you hold to teachings that are not biblical.
More accurately I understand that is what the bible says, in several places, in simple and clear terms.
Correct me if I’m wrong but you do believe that everyone will be saved when all is said and done?
Why do you have this uncontrollable need to define or sum up what I believe? Is it for the purpose of your correct placement of myself in your perspective? Or are you trying to help me out by outlining my understandings via some person's web page--whom I have never met? What is your intent, here?
have a link to a web site that may very well sum up some or all of what you believe concerning salvation.
Once again--don't knock yourself out (pun semi-intended) in regards to me. You're not applying your energies wisely by trying to make me fit in your own perspective.
Queenannie38, do you still deny being a Christian even though you believe the most important doctrines of the Christian faith? I’m over here banging my head on the door trying to figure you out!
Then why judge me at all? Who designated you as my judge?
If you do chose to respond to this post please speak plainly and directly I don’t want to misjudge you.
So you mean 'discernment?' If so, then I see what you mean, and totally encourage you to discern for yourself, according to your own heart and the Spirit revealed in scripture, whether what I say is from God or from some other source. We are indeed to test the spirits--by the measuring rod of scripture. But that has nothing to do with what label might fit me according to your POV.
Yes, I’m still required by my God, which now sounds a whole lot like, our” God to make right judgments.
I totally relate to what you are saying--I hate the misrepresentation that goes on, supposedly in His name under His approval. But I don't even have ill regard for those who do such a thing--because I don't see it as a reason to say 'poor God' (even though it does hurt my heart on that behalf) but rather see it as some rather ironic proof of His existence and the validity of the bible.
Originally posted by zenlover28
I don't hate God. I hate the fact that humans have made God out to be a version of themselves though.
He's jealous, egotistical, wants to be worshipped and asked for forgiveness, blah, blah, blah. But, yet let's not forget that he loves 'unconditionally'.
If He were of the same sort of characters humans tend to be, He probably would be ashamed--and rightly so, too. I don't see how mankind could make God ashamed, though--He created us and knew all along we'd do such ignorant things in our search for Him--we can't help it that we're ignorant--until the time comes that He gives us a peek at what we've not seen before. Then, there will some shamed faces--but they won't be God's--His will surely be shining too bright for us to look upon Him, no matter what. Because He loves us and even made our infirmities and ignorance specifically toward our own perfection some time in the future--even to the point of blaspheming His name and slandering His nature and intentions.
Poor God. If there is a God I bet he is ashamed that we would put such egotistical traits on him. :shk:
Originally posted by eazy_mas
Because of denial.
If you seen Jesus and the other prophets most of them where hurt by non-belivers because to send a message that God exist.
Originally posted by eazy_mas
Because of denial.