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Originally posted by Machine
Originally posted by Riley
You have put me and others down, questioned our integrity [based on our creed] and told us we are sinful without having the slightest clue who we are personally..
Originally posted by Riley
yet now you are claiming victim? It's call claiming false witness. I think you owe us all public apologies and should repent ASAP.. otherwise
If I was to say something that wasn’t factually true about myself or another person then that would fall under the category of bearing false witness. When have I committed this sin on these forums? Please cut and paste that portion of anything I’ve typed on these forums to prove your point that I have committed the sin of bearing false witness.
Originally posted by Machine
Queenannie38,
In 3 of the gospels it is written that Jesus said that we should take care not to be deceived because many would come in His name, saying He was the Christ and would deceive many.
Most interpret it to say that many would come claiming to be the Christ. That's wrong--it was a direct warning against just believing that all who claimed His name, just because they claimed His name.
I marvel at the lengths to which you will go to strangle your own private interpretation out of simple scripture. Your view on this scripture is clearly wrong and if believed leaves a seeker of Jesus Christ open to the worst kind of vulnerability.
You, Queenannie38 are one of the types of people that Jesus Christ warned us about. You take the clear and simple gospel and pervert it into a lie. Let’s take a look at your false interpretation of the scripture you quoted above.
You and those who hold to new age teachings do not like this scripture because it warns people to watch out for the coming false antichrist and other heretical teachers.
Originally posted by Machine
Queenannie38, I think I understand what it is you’re trying to pull out of this scripture.
You keep teaching your lies and giving false hope to the damned and I’ll keep warning anyone who will listen about the real danger they are in if they accept your teaching.
In Christ,
James
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
First mistake of christianity is the fact that it is based on something so negative as a crusifiction. It has had negative vibes from the start. Everytime I tried to understand it it made me feel terrible inside. Like I was doing something unatural. It has been a horrible exprience for mankind this negative religion. Millions upon millions have been killed tortured and burned for it. Alas though it is finally showing signs of dying.
Originally posted by AkashicWanderer
The story of the crucifixion, has within it the deepest truth. When one does not resist, but accepts deep suffering, one is free.
We are never truly in this moment. We are usually in a false mind-made created future, or lingering in the past. The ego has a deep sense of insufficiency, and it desperately needs the future in order to have an identity. Accept this moment, the ego dies, and you are free.
It's actually a war with many battles. Each has to make a choice. Which side are you on , God's or satan's
Originally posted by kedfr
It's actually a war with many battles. Each has to make a choice. Which side are you on , God's or satan's
*Puts up hand*
Can I be Switzerland, please?
No, there is no middle ground. If you aren't on God's side you are on satan's. I'm afraid that's what alot of people think they can sit on the fence.
Originally posted by dbrandt
No, there is no middle ground. If you aren't on God's side you are on satan's. I'm afraid that's what alot of people think they can sit on the fence.
Originally posted by spamandham
Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Both you and Machine assert more than you can possibly know.
With this statement, you've joined the ring of those who assert what they can't possibly know. How do you know that neither machine nor I can know what we assert?
Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Originally posted by kedfr
Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Do two rights make a wrong, though?
Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Originally posted by kedfr
Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Do two rights make a wrong, though?
Originally posted by queenannie38
Other than that, the word 'right' as opposed to 'wrong' is a label, a judgment call that can only be offered from a limited perspective, in even the broadest sense.
We can turn 'right' and we can most certainly 'err'; but to be right or wrong? It's meaningless, when you think about it.
Queenannie38,
Machine I couldn't avoid pointing out to you that maybe your memory is perhaps not so good, or maybe something else is causing forgetfulness, regarding your defense against the valid points Riley has respectfully brought up considering the impression you make upon others with your preferred methods of evangelism. No one hates you or resists you because of God--it is truly your manner in communicating, and if you do sincerely desire to do the best you can toward God, then you will be willing to consider what we have both said. Neither one of us has been hateful or agressive in what we've said--that, in itself, ought to give you a little clue about the motivation behind the criticism (constructive if you allow it to be.)
Queenannie38,
IMO, To say someone is 'lying'--because what they understand the bible to say differs from what you understand it to say--is:
1. ridiculous: 'lying' doesn't apply to things not absolutely proven and/or known
2. definitely not fruit of the spirit
3. counter-productive to the accuser's own goals of demonstrating himself to be 'true' as opposed to 'liars.'
Queenannie38, It seems it takes religion to reveal our 'Satan' sides --and that is not an unfair thing to say--because to call someone a liar without substantiated evidence to support--renders it nothing other than an 'accusation.' If you are truly familiar with the scripture as you say, James, then the word 'accuse' ought to set off the bells and whistles in your head:
2Timothy 3:1-5 (fruits not of the Spirit of God)
Jude 1:9 (even the highest ranking angel refrained from accusing the accuser)
Revelation 12:10 (who's who as far as accuser/accused)
Queenannie38, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1Peter 3:16
My conscience is clear, and that's all that I need for peace of mind. The accusations you have made toward me on this board are negligible, really, in relation to the whole picture of my own personal experiences--most of the time that stuff makes me chuckle, anymore. And I know you truly believe you are doing good.
Queenannie38, So--I didn't say this to obtain an apology--that's really neither here nor there for me; since it's not a case of hurt feelings (something impossible for you to accomplish) or of wanting to be 'right' at the cost of another being 'wrong.'
Queenannie38,
I do, however, feel sure calling another person a liar over spiritual matters is ill-advised according to the principles set forth in the Sermon on the Mount. Whether you want to classify it as a 'sin' or not is entirely up to you---that's well out of my own jurisdiction. As far as what is my own responsibility--that is what compelled me to make this post.
Originally posted by dbrandt
You have to be kidding. With that kind of logic then if someone kills someone else who are we to arrest them and put them on trial for murder. After all they probably had a reason for killing them, one that makes sense to them. And who's to say killing is wrong, after all maybe there is no wrong. Wow!
Originally posted by kedfr
Rights and wrongs are subjective. I'm sorry but you'll have to do an awful lot of convincing to make me believe otherwise.
Originally posted by dbrandt
I agree that's what people think. Everyone does what is right in their own eyes.
That's not what God says, there are absolute rights and wrongs. Mankind is tainted with sin and we need Jesus to get us back on track.
He changes the way we view right and wrong and changes us from the inside out so that we can KNOW right and wrong.
Look around at the world and pay attention to the things that are being done then with the acceptance of Christ you will be convinced otherwise.
Originally posted by Machine
You only see the Old Testament as a text filed with violence, genocide and mass rape?
You say you were taught the Bible in Christian schools but I say you were not well instructed.
I also agree that for the most part He gave His truth in love and compassion.
Is it not an act of love and compassion to tell someone who is in danger of Hell that he is in danger?
In all my work on this forum I’ve only tried to warn you of the damnation to come if you do not repent and follow Jesus Christ alone. For this you hate me?
As far as the peaceful teachings of Jesus Christ go those teachings are for saved Christians.
Originally posted by kedfr
Even if the Christian God exists, his view of absolute right and wrong is almost certainly different to ours. We are by nature sinners because it is all a matter of interpretation of what these rights/wrongs are. Indeed, one could follow the strict words of the bible, believing that they live their life in a christian manner and yet be intolerant, cruel and proud.
Do we go heaven because of our good deeds or are our good deeds reflective of the fact that we are 'chosen'? Moreover, can only a limited number of truly good people go to heaven, while the rest go to hell? Moreover, does one atone for sin, simply through prayer or through confession? Can one ever truly atone for ones sins?
If I go up to the Pearly Gates and St Peter calls me a sinner because I do not think homosexuality is evil then so be it. I will argue with him until the cows come home but I will not have lived my life following ideas that run contrary to my own sense of morality. To do otherwise would be a sin in itself. Even if the absolute morality of God is different to my own sense of right & wrong, I will still believe I lived my life in the way I thought correct.
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by Machine
You only see the Old Testament as a text filed with violence, genocide and mass rape?
Yes.. oh and slavery, female oppression and scientific ignorance.
How many times do I have to say this. Everything that is written in the Bible isn't written because it was done in perfection. God has recorded in it the sins people have done so that we can see the consequences of sin. He has it recorded there so that we can see that human nature has always been the same. He has recorded it there so that we can see that when we sin we can be forgiven. He has recorded it there to show us right and wrong.