hey atleast you dont live in kansas minimum wage there is 2.65

you mean to tell me as a young kid of maybe like 8 years old you could handle not having your father around and having your mom work two jobs, and eating ramen chicken noodle soup on the daily? you be able to fully understand your situation and be able to rationalize what happened and then say ok well if i work hard like mom then i guess "i made it"? i doubt it.

i am not dirt poor. poor yes but not as poor as alot of people around me. i know alot of people who are just getting computers and acting like it was new technology, because for them it is. my mom does work two jobs tho, my dad does pay support because if he didnt my mom would hardly be able to pay for an appartment then i would have to drop out of school if i wanted to have a roof over my head.

i dont wanna be rich, but i dont wanna have to work my entire life away either. thats not living. normal working hours are 40 a week, not 80.

sorry your right we probably should get back to topic.
overall i dont agree the rioting was right. but i do believe that the neonazi's are just as wrong

Originally posted by blackcrow1800
hey atleast you dont live in kansas minimum wage there is 2.65

yea but i live in jersey, cost of living is crazy.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
you mean to tell me as a young kid of maybe like 8 years old you could handle not having your father around and having your mom work two jobs, and eating ramen chicken noodle soup on the daily? you be able to fully understand your situation and be able to rationalize what happened and then say ok well if i work hard like mom then i guess "i made it"? i doubt it.

Then finish high school, maybe go to college, and use a condom so as not to have any kids while you're a kid, and you won't have to work two jobs like mom. Not saying to give up your rap dream, but have a backup plan. That's the important thing. Find something that interests you almost as much as music, and focus on both.

i am not dirt poor. poor yes but not as poor as alot of people around me. i know alot of people who are just getting computers and acting like it was new technology, because for them it is.

That says it all. People you consider dirt poor are just getting computers. That's not dirt poor. They have electricity, a place to put there computer, etc. Take a trip to Darfur or Somalia. Instead of eating delicious ramen noodles, they eat mush delivered to by a truck from relief agencies. Only the very rich get computers there, the well off get ramen noodles.

my mom does work two jobs tho, my dad does pay support because if he didnt my mom would hardly be able to pay for an appartment then i would have to drop out of school if i wanted to have a roof over my head.

You're situation is that of the majority, not the minority.

i dont wanna be rich, but i dont wanna have to work my entire life away either. thats not living. normal working hours are 40 a week, not 80.

See above.

sorry your right we probably should get back to topic.
overall i dont agree the rioting was right. but i do believe that the neonazi's are just as wrong

Then we agree on that issue. Neo-nazis are douchebags, but so are gangbangers looking for any excuse to steal and commit violence. They are both wrong, except the nazis weren't breaking the law at that point. They were excercising their first amendment right, and the gangbangers should've held a peaceful counter rally denouncing racism. Then they would have been more in the right than the nazis. And the nazis message would be invalid, as the blacks were acting peacefully and not behaving like animals.

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yes in this instance we agree on the topic at hand. they handled it just as bad. they should have held a protest, and if nothing changed and things got worse then maybe something more should have been done, but rioting is only a last resort.

i am lucky, people that i know that are just getting computers or still dont have any got them because they are becoming as cheap as tvs or some bikes.

but ramen noodles is anything but a delicous alternative. its like 15-30 cents a pack and it is basically killing you....and i mean in a literal sense. its why we have so many health issues, because of these cheap foods we are forced to eat.

That flyer is freaking great!

I don't know if it was meant as a joke or not, but thanks for posting it Regenmacher. They were polite enough to thank the reader. Can't really understand what the heck they meant, but I'm sure it isn't a good thing.

I know that neighborhood. I've been there a few times to visit people. It's a rather rough area. Street gangs of all types exist. Unfortunately it's close to a university, and lots of students live in that area, for the cheap rent. It's the type of area where walking down to the local tavern at night, runs the risk of getting shot.

And that was 30 years ago, I can't imagine what it's like now...

As for those who were victims of racism need it was white to black or black to white, please do not generalize all whites and blacks as spawns of hatred. It is the individual or group of folks that did the evil doings, not an entire race.

In this society, we have come a long way and still have a long way to go. I do not agree with the rioting in Toledo either. The riots was just a start of the Nazis saying, yes, we have them rattled up, we have proven our point, let's go home and have some beer to celebrate. As the African American community should not have given in, just let them protest in peace, then there would not be a big deal over what has happened.

However, MLK protested but it was a peaceful one. It seems to me like this Nazi march was planned ahead of time. I don't understand is why the Nazis would pick an predominately black neighborhood to protest in? During the MLK marches, there was singing, not looting and rioting.

We as a society, want everything quick and in a hurry. Things that need to be addressed are not being looked at. I feel sorry for those who did not protest and had loss of property. It is hard to imagine what they are going through.

There are very few readings of MLK, Ghandi, Mother Teresa and others who have done good for the world, what about those who destroy it. There is more information out there on Hitler than any of the three that I have mentioned above. Why? His ways and traditions are still being carried out till this day after his death.

Originally posted by Lysergic

Originally posted by ShadowXIX

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Neo-nazi should be considerated as terrorists and should all be killed!

These bastards deserve to die because they are racist.

F*** racism and F*** neo-nazi!

Advocating wiping out a group of people because you dont agree with their views. That statement makes you sound alot like the people you condemn.

yeah being a racist and a nazi is something you should embrace.
ROFLMAO.

Did I ever say that??? I dont recall saying that. But calling for a group of people to be killed is just as bad as any NAZi.

Killing and hate never solves anything and only breeds more hate.

Nazis are bad people but they proved a pretty big point. although their creeps they didnt go and set houses on fire and bust ambulances windows and rob gas stations.

Originally posted by akihset

In this society, we have come a long way and still have a long way to go. I do not agree with the rioting in Toledo either. The riots was just a start of the Nazis saying, yes, we have them rattled up, we have proven our point, let's go home and have some beer to celebrate. As the African American community should not have given in, just let them protest in peace, then there would not be a big deal over what has happened.

However, MLK protested but it was a peaceful one. It seems to me like this Nazi march was planned ahead of time. I don't understand is why the Nazis would pick an predominately black neighborhood to protest in? During the MLK marches, there was singing, not looting and rioting.

From what has been in the news the past few weeks about this, they picked that neighborhood because an NSM member supposedly came across a web article by a white man from the neighborhood, Tom Szych, having problems with black gang members. Mr. Szych claims he had nothing to do with inviting the NSM here, but there is some doubt about his "innocence" in the situation.

It's just sad this was allowed to happen. Yes, we have our problems with violence and gangs here, but not to the extent you see in major cities...basically I would consider life here in Toledo fairly quiet. Now we're on an 8pm citywide curfew for tonight and tomorrow, and maybe longer depending on if trouble ensews once again.

I am so glad I live in Bono, right next to Northwood area. Sure it is a crap hole, and I have to drive a good 20 miles to get to school everyday, but it's not Toledo. Although I drive an extra 5 miles west and I would end up in Toledo. I can't believe people are attacking the Neo Nazis, THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!! They didn't even march, they planned a march and that's it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jack Ford said it himself, it was the !BLACK GANGS! the very things the Nazis were marching against, that caused the hell in Toledo!

I swear, reading some of these posts, it's just insane! "They black so they are allowed to act like animals." ? How is that a defense?

The links I provided for the submission had references to the International Socialists and their involvement in the disorder, but oddly, those references have all disappeared. Communists versus the Fascists--is this the Twentieth Century all over again?

Wow, that is bad. It must be a white supremecy board of some kind. They really make themselves look like idiots.

Originally posted by Odium
Let them have their protest, let them do what they want and do not get violent with them it is much worse than stopping them from spreading their filth.

They feed off of reaction, all Nazi's do and did so when we remove the reaction what have they got to feed off of? Nothing.

I agree 100%! Only when people react is when a protest actually gains any power. The "ni##er savages" - as one guy on VNN so eloquently called them - fed right into their neo/nazi hands.

The best way to counteract such a mentally challenged affair is to SIMPLY IGNORE IT......and it will eventually go awaayyyyyyyy.

They would have looked really stupid marching through town and no one even bothered to show up.

27jd, the New Black Panther Party have nothing to do with the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. In fact Bobby Seale, the only living member of the Black Panther's has actively spoke out against them.

If you are talking about the NBPP and not the BPPSD, it is wise to place the new in front of it. Which again the point goes again, when did the Black Panther Party attack groups on the basis of their race?