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Psychomantium?

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posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 01:10 AM
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Ever heard of a psychomantium? Maybe some of you have, maybe some of you have not. I heard about one mentioned on an A&E program tonight.

Here is some info I found.




The psychomantium is an ancient form of mirror gazing that has been popularized by Dr. Raymond Moody, M.D. It has its roots in the oracles of ancient Greece. This type of mirror gazing is used to contact spirits of departed loved ones.

The initial setup is a little more complex and costly than that of a scrying mirror. A large mirror (4' high by 3-1\2' wide) is attached to a wall with the bottom edge about 3' from the floor. A comfortable, high backed chair is placed about 3' from the mirror. The top of the backrest of the chair should be below the bottom of the mirror. The feet of the chair should be trimmed to allow the chair to slant farther back than is normal.

The person sitting in the chair should not be able to see his/her reflection in the mirror. The area around the chair and mirror is surrounded by a black velvet curtain. This black void should be all that is reflected in the mirror. A lamp with a 15 watt bulb is placed behind the chair. This is the only illumination in the room.

This procedure is usually performed after dark to alleviate the problem of light entering the room through the windows. Thick, dark curtains or a room without windows would allow you to use the psychomantium even during the day.


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I had never heard of this until today honestly, and after watching the A&E program, it seemed quite convincing. Apparantly results are not very hard to produce with most people getting something after 1 hour of use on the first day. Although that isnt the case for everyone.

I searched ATS and found only 1 mention of this in a thread. I decided not to link to it.

It would be interesting to know if anyone has tried this or a similar technique.





posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 01:17 AM
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Did you try this? Are you going to try this. It sounds interesting.... I hope if you do try it you will report back.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 01:24 AM
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Where do the greeks do this? I'd be curious to see.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 01:31 AM
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Be careful to not gaze too much into the ''Abyss''...



Something else you guys should try to do. Stare at yourself in the mirror without blinking for few minutes...and see what happened.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Where do the greeks do this? I'd be curious to see.


On the A&E show they went to the spot where the "room" was. It was just ruins and it is hard to imagine how it would have operated. Very hard to explain without seeing the pictures.

I found a few on Google.

From the site:

Here are two photographs of the Psychomantium of Poseidon.
www.apollonius.net...





Its quite hard to find information on the things.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 03:55 AM
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How fascinating. It would be interesting to see or even experience this. The heavy black curtains, combined with the fact that you are not able to view your own reflection, but only that of the blackness of the psychomantium leads me to theorise that it may be some crude form of sensory deprivation, although this clearly may not cover all aspects of the experience.

Isolation tanks, for example, often result in people experiencing



hallucinations, out-of-body experiences, anxiety, and depression


The differences here seem to be that a psychomantium produces a clear, rational figure of the deceased rather than a hallucination and that people reported that



These visions did not disturb the participants but instead seemed to add closure to an unresolved part of their life


It just seemed somewhat similar to me, given the need for darkness and the ban against seeing your reflection, as well as the photos Dulcimer posted. Just a theory, and one with lots of holes. Again, this is very interesting. If any ATS member does experience this, I implore them to videotape the results.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 07:56 AM
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I believe I saw somewhere that Nostradamus used this technique. Possibly Edgar Cayce as well.

I personally wouldn't try this. I'm afraid enough to look into regular mirrors in the dark. lol.



Something else you guys should try to do. Stare at yourself in the mirror without blinking for few minutes...and see what happened.

I have done this before with some interesting results.
I would also suggest you try staring at pictures of people too. If you just kind of stare at the middle of the picture and start to let your vision blurr a little, their face will begin to change and contort and stuff. I swear one time I was sitting in church bored, staring at the church bulletin with a picture of Jesus on it, and it turned into this crazy scary skeleton face kinda thing.

I don't know if doing this really predicts or shows anything. It's a neat effect though.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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www.keelynet.com...

Dr Raymond Moody has 'made' a pyschomanteum in his home in Alabama, with varied results.
If one is interested in his try, google on psychomanteum-moody.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by siriuslyone
www.keelynet.com...

Dr Raymond Moody has 'made' a pyschomanteum in his home in Alabama, with varied results.
If one is interested in his try, google on psychomanteum-moody.


I believe thats the guy I saw on television. He built his to experiement with in his attic. He is not a firm believer in what he saw, even though he seen a figure of a deceased relative.

He was wanting to see his grandmother, and instead saw his other grandmother, one he was obviously not so happy with (he mentioned tough love).

On the show a young woman also used the room. She was hoping to see a friend that committed suicide. After 1 hour in the room she saw visions but it also was not what she expected. At first she saw clouds and then a bird I believe.

However, she did FEEL that before her friend was making birds appear for her.

(anyone who follows the paranormal will understand why she saw the birds, they say the dead communicate with us through other objects etc).

Again, Mr. Moody does not fully believe in what he sees, but again, something happens. It just cant be explained.

The interesting thing is that the visions appear to be crystal clear, as you would see looking in a mirror.

I personally believe it would be quite frightening ! I do not have a good setup in my home where I could do this in reasonable fashion to the actual setup required.

I think anyone could try this at home just by looking into your largest mirror in the dark. A candle could provide good enough light I believe. Just remember to not be able to see yourself in the mirror.

It would be interesting to try. Oddly I have always had a fear that if I looked into a mirror in the dark I would see something else.... quite odd......



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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Hehe, in the link siriuslyone posted, it basically explained the show I saw (keep a look out on A&E for a show called "Mediums: We see dead people" I believe it was....) Its a 2 hour show I think.

What was interesting in that article is that they mention trying to bring up people that you dont know ! They mention Tesla..... for inspiration... hmmm.

I wouldnt mind getting some guitar lessons from Jimi Hendrix.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 04:15 PM
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posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 06:21 PM
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I may try this tonight, although my conditions will not be ideal.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 06:30 PM
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A similar technique that is less complex is the so-called “magic mirror.” This is a sheet of plain glass that has been painted black on the back. One dims the lights and stares into it at a slight angle so that you don’t see your own reflection. This is usually described as a form of scrying, but it seems to be based on the same principle.
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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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I believe the gentlemen used the black scrying mirrors or black bowls filled with water. It is a scrying technique, as well. I am more certain of Nostradamus and John Dee (right first name?) , Queen Elizabeth I's astrologer using the black mirrors, not so sure about Edward Cayce.



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 07:43 PM
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I did this several times since I was a teenager.

It doesn't take long for very strange, usually much older-looking faces to appear... but I've always wondered: isn't that just an optical illusion, a distorted picture produced by eyes being strained and out of focus?

I'd really like to hear opinions on this, especially from people who are specialists in the field (optics and/or eye function), if there are any here.

P.S. Sorry: I didn't read the OP attentively enough. Just ignore this post, or remove it.







[edit on 21-6-2008 by Vanitas]



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 07:51 PM
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If you are looking at yourself you are viewing your higher self, with the veil taken down, the crowned self.

I do it all the time.



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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If THOSE are my higher selves, Menguard, I must say they look pretty dismal...


Jokes apart, I really think it's probably just an optical illusion.
Not because I don't believe in a "higher self" (of course I do), but because the physical body has its limitations (until they are overcome, of course. :-))



posted on Jun, 21 2008 @ 08:01 PM
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No I am serious, if you look with the intent of looking into your true self you will see, its more of a -clairvoyance tool- then anything.

Just for your information. If you don't like the image you gotta fix the painting.

Have seen my dead grandmother and father in it. Its all about the intent of what can be seen.

A lot of it deals with the sub-conscious perception, it regulates what is allowed to be seen, or not.

[edit on 21-6-2008 by menguard]



posted on Jun, 23 2008 @ 04:10 AM
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This may be a little off topic. I am very interested in the subject at hand. When I stare in the mirror at night, even briefly, I get the distinct feeling that the relfection staring back is not me but an evil entity that inhabits my reflection.

I think if you look into a mirror at night and put your face right up to it so you are staring yourself in the eyes others might feel this as well. Especially if you allow yourself to truly believe it, even for a second.

I do have a deformity in my teeth from a childhood accident that gives me a distinctly demonic looking face at times. My mouth doesn't close all the way and my teeth in front are, to a degree, long and pointed from not being worn down. This may be adding to my perception.

Any thoughts?

[edit on 23-6-2008 by CallMeMaury]



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