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reply posted on 16-10-2005 @ 01:33 PM by Sri Oracle
I heat my home with a wood burning stove and collect fire wood during storm season when it is on everyone's curb.

My water heats via passive solar and a coil around my wood stove for winter.

Actively seeking a 2LT engine for my toyota hilux 4x4 to convert to biodiesel

Your ethanol suggestion above is probably impractical because (shy of solar distillatoin of organically grown corn) it takes more energy to make ethanol than it is worth

I do subscribe to the enclosed bed concept though. Last winter before we had any heat at our house we kept a sheet hanging from the ceiling around all sides of our bed. The thin sheet created a membrane that definately helped retain heat.

"Shotgun" houses are an excellent way to keep cool in the hot summer. Open the front and back windows and they become wind tunnels. Also uninsulated wood walls and ceilings vs drywall with insulation behind keeps a home cooler in the summer with windows open. Most houses today are designed to be seal from the outside world and regulated with some form of climate control. Such sealed systems will fail when energy becomes scarce. A home that breathes will be in demand in the near future.

Also, subterrainian homes are something we need to work on at the local level in the future. Ground temperatures remain at 60 F which helps regulate home temperature.

With regard to the other "oil" products. Petro-fertilizer/herbicide/fungicide/etc. will have to be replaced with manual labor. The way it was in the old days. "We'll be forever loving Jah" Pulling weeds and planting seeds in the Garden.
Pharmicuticals, that whole industry is a joke. People who recognize homeopathic cures and herbal medicines will become the shaman and doctors of the future.

Totally on tangents now... but horses. There will be a lot more horses in use as transportation.

You also have to look at largers scale issues during this upcoming period. Warfare over declining reserves is going to make a real nasty and bloody global political situtation.

We've also backed ourselves into an epidemic in the making in so many categories that large scale fatalaties in upcoming years is eminent. Bird flu, monocropping leading to swarms; the interplay of meat markets, massive livestock production factories.

Well I have to go back to work... things are going to be very different. There will be a lot less of us. And I doubt anything we type here will be seen again shy of say a few print outs left in the rain.

I just try to find solutions to what it is I am going to do that day when I wake up and the power has been out for a week across half the nation, and now there are angry mobs in the street. I think this is where my interest in katanas comes from.

Sri Oracle.

PS

Something else I am working on is converting my home sewer lines to a biogas digester that produces burnable methane. About enough to cook with... not enough to heat a home by any means... though it would be if you incorporated waste from your donkey and cow.

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reply posted on 16-10-2005 @ 04:39 PM by PopeyeFAFL
Last month, I did an experiment:

I just filled up the day before Katrina hit (at $1.07 CDN per liter), then all of a sudden the price went to $1.47 (even $1.54 at some place), so I decided to strictly use my car, just to go to work and do the grocery, near my place on my way home, to see how long I will last with one tank.

It was a big boring time, but I lasted almost 4 weeks (less 1 day). So I was thinking, that even if the price was to triple (to $150 CDN per fill up), I could reduce my travel quite a lot, and have the same fuel budget as before (except far less moving around).

Now I'm back to normal (approx 2 fill up per month at less than $50 CDN per tank, for a Pontiac Vibe 2005).

My point is this one:

I spend maybe half of my moving going from place to place to get the grocery, search or look around for the best price on stuff, or go to place to place to look at the best product to buy, get the best deal, etc.

It sound to me, when I see all these cars on the road and filling the parking lot of the big shopping mail, that this is very inefficient.

There are probably some good that you purchase on a repeat basis (maybe half of your grocery) and you don't really need to see them in real (your favourite cookies or soda pop, etc.), unlike buying banana or meats.

So for me, having all these family hopping in their cars to go the various shopping mail to purchase that portion of weekly good, has to be very inefficient in term of energy & time.

We need to get serious about using the Internet & clever distribution system. Maybe House need to have a secure box attach to them where delivery mini train on wheel will circulate around suburbia and deliver the good into that box (than it will be push inside the house, to avoid theft).

I'm not sure exactly what that business case will be, but the way we operate right now, will have to change.

Probably retail business will be reluctant, because lot of purchase are done at the spice of the moment (impulse buying) rather than conscious purchase that will occur if more and more people use a system like that.


reply posted on 21-10-2005 @ 04:46 AM by start_the_peace
I'm not sure if this is true, but Ive heard that we could use hemp, I asked my teacher and she just laughed at me, now i know hemp is used for making clothes, like flax, but ive been wondering if we could in fact use it for a replacment to oil, if we could it would be a very cheap solution, with little to no pollution, I think. And to make it even better, we could just grow it in feilds, easy as that.

but dont like call me stupid or anything, i seriously have no idea if hemp would work, so please help me out on that one

Also, i remebered seeing that post of the transportation of goods taking up 70% of the oil used everyday and that trains and such would work better, well that made me think, why not use megnetic trains, to the least of my knowledge they dont use oil, just hit the switch and it zooms away, so not only would it be saving oil, it wouldnt be polluting, and it would be getting to its destination alot quicker

I think that America as a whole is one of the main contributers so the oil problem and pollution, along with capitilism becuase ive read in a book i just got a few days ago called "forbidden truth" it said that even though America only has about 5% of the worlds population, it consumes about 40% of the oil
now that just way to much, I dont even see how we could be using that much, is oil like a new secret drug now? known only too America, do we have people sneaking around alley ways toking up on oil? geeze


reply posted on 25-10-2005 @ 06:49 AM by sardion2000
Didn't anyone check out the link I posted above?

www.wired.com...



The vertical farm model is one of Hessel's ultimate goals, and OrganiTech has been busy laying the groundwork to make skyscraper farms possible. It's already using a system of robotics in high-tech greenhouses. "You might as well take advantage of the sunlight when you can," he says. "It's free energy."

Saving the cost of energy is a big part of OrganiTech's near-term business plan. As of mid-2005, it cost as much as 50 cents to transport a 1-pound head of lettuce from California (where 85 percent of America's lettuce is grown) to the East Coast, according to Ram Acharya, an agricultural economist at Arizona State University. If the lettuce can be grown near where it's eaten, it will have an automatic cost advantage.

OrganiTech can supply a complete set of robotic equipment plus greenhouse for $2 million. A system the size of a tennis court can produce 145,000 bags of lettuce leaves per year -- that's a yield similar to a 100-acre traditional farm. According to the company, it costs 27 cents to produce a single head of lettuce with its system, compared to about 18 cents per head of lettuce grown in California fields. Factor in the transportation costs and suddenly the automated greenhouse grower saves as much as 43 cents a head.


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