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Bush preparing for a police state?

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posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
We already have a police state, we have just been re-educated to think that things are right and good in the U.S., that's all.

You know that's true when a citizen cannot tell someone to get off of their private property. That you should call the police to handle it for you. That if you act against that trespasser/soliicitor, you may be in the wrong legally.




posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 10:49 PM
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My buddy is a bus driver and was sent down to help with efforts, here is his brothers reply to me sending this link.. I've changed their names.

SD

Dave is in the MIDDLE of it right now!!!! He is noting all the stuff the feds and locals are doing to keep the word from getting out about whats going on in the gulf. No wi-fi, no net, nothing, only way to get word out is with ham radio. and yes they are taking guns away in N.O. It's a total police state there, we are hearing from him almost every other day, he is getting an armed humvee escort anywhere he travels outside the compound he is assigned to with his bus and MRE's and water in the belly of his bus. Leasons from Louisianna will be used over all of Amerika later.
Stay tuned. He says he is getting good pics, just can't get them out yet.

Tim



posted on Oct, 17 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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SD, you need to get a hold of those photos and his notes eventually. That stuff is exactly the type of material for this forum. Keep us posted.



posted on Oct, 17 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa
To think that the neo-cons or the religious right are going to give up their power for something so mundane as an election in O8 is folly. I f they can pull off instiuting a police state they damn sure will try. But they underestimate the independence of the American man in the street. I honestly feel the Christian Right and the neo-cons feel they have a DEVINE right to steer this country back to God as they understand him. If a few innocent people suffer in their endevor, tough, it's Gods' will. I hope that this is just outlandish paranoia; we will see soon enough.

It's a brave new world!


Your anti-Christian sentiment is clouding your understanding. Or, are you using the present-day dilemma to further anti-Christian agenda?

Fact of the matter is, this is not a Christian agenda you see unfolding in front of us, nothing Christian about it at all. Want to know what the Christian agenda was? Learn about the foundation of the nation that these idiots are Hell-bent to destroy. Learn a bit about Christianity and you'll see that the agenda that is being persued by "them" (and you should know why "they" are) and you'll see that the two are counter to one another.

MadMan, you had better not travel without your papers, or you will certainly pay. After all, you are operating their motor vehicle (You paid for it but then went to the court house and gave it to the government. You don't own the property you call yours as "they" (and you know who "they" are) own the original title and will not allow you to have it, etc. I could go on, but there'so use. I'm sure if you look around, you'll realize that is the case.



posted on Oct, 17 2005 @ 11:46 PM
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I Haven't had a chance to talk with him, I'm hoping that he's taking notes
and getting some pictures. I'll post updates when I hear from him.

SD


Originally posted by cargo
SD, you need to get a hold of those photos and his notes eventually. That stuff is exactly the type of material for this forum. Keep us posted.



posted on Oct, 18 2005 @ 12:18 AM
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I have to say the Goverment has been chipping away at the second amendment for years little by little. But I think Total Gun Confiscation would have to occur before they could bring in any police state. A armed population the size of the one in the US would just be a nightmare for any force trying to turn it into a controled police state.

If they start going door to door collecting firearms we are all in trouble. Unarmed people that tried to revolt against goverments have not faired to well in history.



posted on Oct, 18 2005 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
I completely agree that the 2nd amendment is being circumvented in New Orleans.

However TC, I would like to know why you believe we currently live in a police state. Last I checked, I can travel without papers, talk about any subject I wish, etc...


Not neccesarily true. I was detained by the pOlice on the street just minding my own business a couple of years ago. They stoped me and searched my pockets. Their excuse was they said they thougth they saw me put something in my pocket (like that's illegal), infact all I'd done is put my hands in my pockets as I often do.
Anyway I do not have a drivers licence. But I had on me my Veterans card, which has a photo, my disability card, bus pass which also has a photo.
But none of that was good enough for them (papers please sir!). They cuffed me and started asking general questions, after which one of the cops (there were two, on foot) acused me of lying to him.
Next thing I know a cop car pulls up and I'm put in the back. I spend two hours cuffed to a bench while they finish their patrol and come back to the station to verify my identity.
Then they let me go, no explanation. Of course I asked , all they said was they didn't want me. In other words they found no warrants.

All this in the land of the free San Francisco U.S.A.

(And don't get me started on the U.K. police and their tactics, it's far more blatant than in the U.S. and my experience is from 20 yrs ago, what's it like now I wonder?)

Now don't tell me you can't travel without papers. In fact they told me if I'd had a drivers license I would not have been detained!!!
So since when is it required for you to have and carry a damned DL. I don't even own a freakin car, nor do I want one.

Just becasue you haven't come across this situation doesn't mean everything is all hunky dory deary! There's a big world outside your window where lot's of things happen you're not privy to.

We are already in a pOlice state and if you live in a major inner city area like I do it's blatently obvious. I have friends with simular stories and I see it on the street all the time.
They often do warrant sweeps where they just stop random people to check if they have warants (papers please sir!). But they only do it in the poor inner city neighbourhoods. Are poor people the only ones who have warants?

What I believe Bush is preparing for is a military take over. It will start small with them controling disasters and such. But like everything the government does it won't stop there. The government likes to slowly impliment more control so the average citizen (you it seems) doesn't notice. But those of us who sleep with our eyes wide open can see the writing on the wall before the wall is even built!
Those that live with their eyes closed and then claim to know what's going on are the most delusional and the biggest threat to our future.
Authority only has power if we allow them to have that power.

Open your eyes folks and stop making excuses for the authorities that bind us to this illusion of freedom that people seem to refuse to take notice of, until it effects them. And trust me, it will effect you eventualy!

AP&F...Man's true nature and "they" know it.

[edit on 18/10/2005 by ANOK]



posted on Oct, 18 2005 @ 03:59 AM
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One thing has always puzzled me, was why the US gave up the control of the Panama Canal?


Anyway I think this is a good article, and thought that some of you might like to read it.




MARTIAL LAW: COMING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU?


Craig Roberts
October 18, 2005
NewsWithViews.com

For those who think this is "conspiracy theory," or simply fear-factor-fiction, let me ask this: Do you think the US Constitution is intact, and is this the same country as it was fifty years ago? If not, why not? And what and who caused the change?

~~

In the 1990s, during the Clinton regime, when bases were being closed and Army divisions being cut, and tanks, planes and ships were being put in mothballs, a Pentagon general gave a speech to the CASQ officers command and staff class at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He said, paraphrasing, "…with the build down of our armed forces, should we become committed to a two-ocean war, or be deployed to more than two foreign campaigns, and should a national emergency occur inside the continental United States, we will be forced to call upon foreign assets to patrol our streets."

~~

The thought of this at the time was terrifying. But during the Los Angeles riots Henry Kissinger stated that even though at that time US citizens would not stand for foreign troops on US soil, that some day we would welcome them with open arms.




[edit on 18/10/2005 by Sauron]



posted on Oct, 18 2005 @ 08:27 PM
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I for one do NOT welcome our foreign-troop overlords.
Neither should anyone else.

I too wonder how they would confiscate the guns in the ENTIRE country. It's a pretty big place.



posted on Oct, 18 2005 @ 10:49 PM
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FYI......International troops are training just south of me in Artesia, NM.....and they already patrol airspace along our borders.



posted on Oct, 18 2005 @ 10:59 PM
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Are they patrolling or are they training?

Is there an Air Force base there? Aren't the Germans training there and have been for some time, now?

The Panama Canal was "given away" for a very specific reason; so that it could be handed over to the Chinese.



posted on Oct, 18 2005 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

Originally posted by whaaa
To think that the neo-cons or the religious right are going to give up their power for something so mundane as an election in O8 is folly. I f they can pull off instiuting a police state they damn sure will try. But they underestimate the independence of the American man in the street. I honestly feel the Christian Right and the neo-cons feel they have a DEVINE right to steer this country back to God as they understand him. If a few innocent people suffer in their endevor, tough, it's Gods' will. I hope that this is just outlandish paranoia; we will see soon enough.

It's a brave new world!


Your anti-Christian sentiment is clouding your understanding. Or, are you using the present-day dilemma to further anti-Christian agenda?



You don't know me and I'll stack up my Christianity against yours any time.
Bibles at thirty paces you (removed un-Christian remark)


[edit on 19-10-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Oct, 27 2005 @ 11:53 PM
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those who cannot see are lost in the dark, those who look too closely are blinded so they cannot see



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 08:03 AM
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The US is already a police state, but it's going to get worse.



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 09:15 AM
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is it a police state? (looking over my shoulders) i dont see anibody taking me on because of my views. Bush aint goin to sent hit squads if u have opposing views with him.



posted on Oct, 28 2005 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
is it a police state? (looking over my shoulders) i dont see anibody taking me on because of my views. Bush aint goin to sent hit squads if u have opposing views with him.


See this is where you really missing what is going on.
See my comments in this thread;
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

You see they don't need to have 'hit squads" anymore. This is not 1940, the powers that be don't need to use physical force anymore. Cause people who speak out are instantly put down by people like you who are happily spreading the governments psycological "hit squads". You are just as much part of the "shutting up the disenters" as the government itself.
How proud the government must be of it's work in this area, you are a text book example of a mind controled psycological "hit squad".
Now I'm sure what I've just said will go in one ear and come out all hot and bothered from the other. Try to think with your brain and not your emotions and maybe, just maybe you will start to see the patterns of control in this modern age.
No they don't need to drag any one away for speaking out, 'cause with ppl like you around what harm does that disent do to the powers that be?
Freedom is not ONLY a physical thing, and we sure as hell are not psycologicaly free anymore (or at least some of you aint).



posted on Oct, 29 2005 @ 04:09 PM
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ALL LEADS TO "ARMAGEDON"


[edit on 29-10-2005 by KNOWS_A_LITTLE]


[edit on 29-10-2005 by KNOWS_A_LITTLE]



posted on Oct, 29 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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The status of the term "police state" is therefore contested at the present time. Its historical provenance supports both a narrow and broad definition. Political scientists tend to prefer a more narrow definition of "police state," limiting it to those regimes which:

are centralized enough to be considered a state;
employ the power of the state without the restraint of law; and
employ the power of the state to repress political dissent within society (although the importance of this element is sometimes disputed).
Colloquially, the term may be used metaphorically as a "political bogeyman" to upbraid whatever regime the speaker finds overly statist. In this context the term is often used in relation to major liberal democracies, where changes in law and policies are sometimes interpreted as facilitating the creation of a police state.


do u guys feel repressed? does the govt tell u dat u cant express yer religion? feel dat yer voice aint being heard? if u, how people would say politely use bad words on politicians, do they send people over to intimidate u?



posted on Oct, 29 2005 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy

The status of the term "police state" is therefore contested at the present time. Its historical provenance supports both a narrow and broad definition. Political scientists tend to prefer a more narrow definition of "police state," limiting it to those regimes which:

are centralized enough to be considered a state;
employ the power of the state without the restraint of law; and
employ the power of the state to repress political dissent within society (although the importance of this element is sometimes disputed).
Colloquially, the term may be used metaphorically as a "political bogeyman" to upbraid whatever regime the speaker finds overly statist. In this context the term is often used in relation to major liberal democracies, where changes in law and policies are sometimes interpreted as facilitating the creation of a police state.


do u guys feel repressed? does the govt tell u dat u cant express yer religion? feel dat yer voice aint being heard? if u, how people would say politely use bad words on politicians, do they send people over to intimidate u?



How do you interprete repressed??

Is it when your out of a job? your government produces ww3?wont be bale to pay your mortgage? your savings are worthless? etc.etc.etc.

Bliss to be an optimist......BE MY GAST...

After all im not American..




posted on Oct, 29 2005 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

Originally posted by whaaa
To think that the neo-cons or the religious right are going to give up their power for something so mundane as an election in O8 is folly. I f they can pull off instiuting a police state they damn sure will try. But they underestimate the independence of the American man in the street. I honestly feel the Christian Right and the neo-cons feel they have a DEVINE right to steer this country back to God as they understand him. If a few innocent people suffer in their endevor, tough, it's Gods' will. I hope that this is just outlandish paranoia; we will see soon enough.

It's a brave new world!


Your anti-Christian sentiment is clouding your understanding. Or, are you using the present-day dilemma to further anti-Christian agenda?


TC, I didn't see any anti-christian remarks here. Maybe you're reading into this a little. Honestly if you are going to say that the religious right is not ruling our country right now your stock would drop in my eyes. Just look at the state of up-tightedness (my new word!) and you'll see how repressed we are.

And the rest of you, I think you are looking for the word "opressed" not repressed. The states are repressed because our leadership is bowing to the religious right. Look at the theaters...I swear every time these crazies come into office the entertainment industry takes a nose dive.




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