Tooth item / relic not a deer antler!, page 2
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reply posted on 18-10-2005 @ 02:34 AM by LochNessTooth
Bill here.

I'm not marketing for Steve because I'm not being paid for that kind of job, effort, or time. I am using every possible resource to reach as much of the population of Inverness-Shire as is possible with the non-budget and no money that I have to continue this investigation. If the location and the custodian of the tooth item is identified, then and only then, money will be given to me to travel back to Inverness to either sue in the local courts on behalf of my witnesses or to purhaps physically recover the item through other, more direct, means.

I have used every possible news media, discussion forum, blog and radio appearances in order to apply stress & pressure upon the residents of Inverness-Shire who might have knowledge of what private individual "Impersonated" a game warden or community cop ("Water Bailiff" [???]) thus robbing two American tourists (My opinion).

Cop or civilian, taking an animal relic, film rolls and videotape from any foreign tourist still constitutes theft under the laws of the United Kingdom with the exception of preserving a crime scene, UK National Security or UK Homeland Security. Cops who steal are still criminals in the UK. Civilians claiming or otherwise impersonating cops are still criminals in the UK. A "Shakedown" is still a "Shakedown" in the UK even if the victim is a foreign tourist. If this whole thing was a hoax, then my two witnesses were victimized. If the tooth is real, they are robbery victims.

I have achieved contact with an actual peace officer with the Northern Constabulary in Inverness who recalled two young, irate, American Caucasian males in that police station in March. He thinks they were the victims of a hoax or a local fisherman with a hard core protective attitude over his favorite fishing spot. He stated that they demanded the tooth be returned to them prior to them being firmly rebuffed by the officer of the desk.

The pictures of the tooth published are part of a series of photos shot on the gunwall of a boat which clearly show it and it's rootage from all angles.

The "Experts" which are included in our "Jury of experts" are museum curators, tenured professors, fishermen, oceanarium husbandry personnel, and others who to the man and woman have required that their names not be broadcast until they can actually hold the item / relic in their own hands. They are willing to comment on the photo images to me in private but are not willing to publish or broadcast themselves on the tooth until such time as it can be physically examined in their own laboratory facilities. This is no surprise and is certainly reasonable. Nobody wants to step into the "Center ring" of the cryptozoological "Circus" until they have solid DNA and biological materials evidence in their hands.

Being a private detective, I'm not bound to the same emperical standards that a lettered Ichthyologist or palaeontologist is. I can quite responsibly convey to you folks my current opinions based upon current patterns and trends in cooberated witness statements and the appearance of things in imagery. As the trends in the investigation change, so will my opinions and so will my announcements on the status of this case.

As a detective, I am obligated to approach the case with the assumption that it is a hoax and that ALL parties in this matter are untrustworthy. Also, conversly, I am obligated to look for any and all possible examples of substances and structures in nature which would account for the appearance of the item / relic on mini DV tape and 35mm film.

The witnesses making their claims are obligated to cooperate and undergo any and all background investigations and questions regarding their personal characters and the burden of proving their claims is squarely on them.

So far, they and their stories have held up under repeated telling. I used multiple perspective techniques for interviewing witnesses, designed to help me identify and isolate inconsistancies and conflicts amongst the various tellings. These interview techniques are taught by every major police agency and federal academy and are time-honored and very hard to defeat.

Until I hold the item / relic in my hands, I cannot state with absolute conviction that the item is a real biological specimen or a fabricated item. I do not know what the Loch Ness Tooth is and can only report on what it looks like from the images, and how believable my two witnesses appear as they originally told their story in front of their own fathers and grandfathers.

I have detailed, close-up images of teeth from a number of eels which I will eventually have my wife and associated web friends post after we finish processesing the images.

I travel for work and I log on to ATS as my travel and family time allows.

I have no hostility. I hope this thread stays active for a long time. I do know that I have no influence with the ATS site owners. They only know me from a few private e-mail communications last Summer.


reply posted on 10-11-2005 @ 06:08 AM by Gemwolf
Sorry for waking the dead again, but I was busy cleaning up my Subscribed Threads when I spotted this one again. And the way the thread died with the least bit of effort to keep it alive from Mr William L. McDonald just shows me that the ATS members were right about McDonald and the tooth. Was this thread just a cheap marketing tool? Spam. And thus finally mean that the whole Loch ness Tooth episode is nothing more than a hoax?

Afterthought:
I just visited
his site again. This time the supposed comparisons with an eel’s tooth are up. Interesting. I've never seen anything like this before...

A row of teeth in the middle of its mouth?
The eel's tooth it's supposedly similar too.
Side shot
Bottom shot
Zoomed
The site isn't very factional, to say the least. No species name of the eel. No descriptions at what we're looking at. The teeth do not look the same... (Or am I missing something...?)

I am still/once again not convinced!


reply posted on 12-11-2005 @ 08:03 AM by Wig
Can anyone explain why the caption under a picture of the tooth in this thread reads "we had to prise it out with a screwdriver for like 20 mins to free it" or similar...When the guy in the video just pulls it out with his two fingers? If it was edited out, why was it edited out, completely? we don't see anything about him struggling to get the tooth out. Where is the rest of the 20mins of footage?

What is the name of this local guide we see in the video? and why is he wearing leather shoes and not wellys?

What is the name of the water bailiff?

Where did the water bailiff appear from? he would have to approach from water side and we don't hear his boat approaching. Why did he appear just as the cameraman says I gotta change tape. and then when the tape is changed .... no water bailiff around...no video of the water bailiff departing in his boat.

Why did he change tape before it ran out?

Why does the tape have a definate "this is an acted out scene" feel to it?

What is the grid location of this spot on OS map series? provide a link to multimap if you like.?

What is the name of the peace/police officer spoken to by the yanks and the Private eye apparently?

What is the crime report number?

The website shows two pictures of eel skull? With many teeth said to be scaled up to 6feet long...






Why is there no scale representation such as a man standing next to it? Where is this enlarged model skull located? Where is the real skull of the eel from which this model was made? It looks nothing like the pictures of the eel on the website. The two pictures are probably the model in production and the finished product on display....where? Who made it? The teeth on this model are painted blue on the ends just like the tooth from the deer carcass. It is possible one of these teeth is hoaxed into the deer carcass.

Where is the direct comparison which clearly shows the tooth *cough* antler/model tooth *cough* and the scale model of the eel skull teeth?

What was that about the tooth making it's way to the natural history museum who made a life size copy/model of it?

where is the copy? What do they say they did with the original?


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