posted on Sep, 15 2003 @ 08:56 AM
OK.The Judges votes are in.
There can be only one winner and on this occasion Ktprktpr is declared the winner and becomes our official challenger and will go forward and face our
reigning ATS Debate Champion,OnlyInMyDreams.
The title fight will start next Sunday.
Details will appear in the Debate Forum later today.
Congratulations to both Stumpy and Ktpr for an excellent debate.
Judge A = Ktprktpr
Judge B = Stumpy
Judge C = Stumpy
Judge D = Ktprktpr
Judge E =.Ktprktpr
Judge F = Ktprktpr
Judge G = Ktprktpr
Comments from the judges:
"The debate was won by ktprktpr because the affirmatives argument, even taking the existence of God as fact, still relied on the faith of intent for
itís point to be successful Ė which is completely indefinable. That there are so many versions and packages of bible text further supports the
"Great Debate. Both participants made an excellent job presenting their arguments. Even though I didnt agree with either I think ktprktpr presented
the better argument. Good job. Both of you."
"A patchy start but some good marshalling of arguments thereafter: much is familiar; but I think stumpy did well to use his sports-car analogy and
krptkr drifted a little.
Top marks to both on rhetoric; but on persuasive force (and with the unpopular choice) Stumpy takes the day."
"I prefered ktprktpr's style but I felt that his argument was not as distinct from Stumpy's position as it should of been.Stumpy's argument was
consistant whereas ktprktpr's argument compromised.If I were to judge on the compromised argument then i'd have given it to ktprktpr but i'm
judging it on the title argument and so I vote for Stumpy."
"Ktprktpr gets my vote. It was hard to judge. At times they seemed to be saying the same things. I think Ktprktpr did a little bit better job."
"That has been the most difficult debate thus far-for me..
Everyone wants to believe that the "bible" was infact dictated by God for/through mankind.
Stumpy did an excellent job of fighting to save his side of the debate as Ktpr consistantly debunked nearly every word of Stumpys analogies and
debate..It seemed that Stumpy would drown after I would read the next side of ktprs debate and then he would save himself again in his next debate.
This had to have been very difficult for them both to argue and what an extremely touchy subject to have to debate either way!
My vote, after long consideration is for Ktpr, because he/she obviously did their homework and repeatedly found many (not just one) reasons to refute
nearly every word that stumpy defended. I certainly want to believe the bible was written from God through man and that's the bottom line-but Ktpr
gave too many legitament arguments 'against' it, that even I am finding difficult to argue.
Stumpy-did a really good job of trying to save his side each time Ktpr 'swallowed and spit' nearly everything he presented..Lord knows I would have
caved after Ktprs second debate..so he certainly get's my respect as an awesome debater no matter what the verdict."
"Difficult one, I thought.
Stumpy argued many erroneous points, but, as the argument is subjective by virtue of the topic, I set that aside and went strictly on writing style,
and, Ktprktpr wins. His style was much more persuasive and thought out."