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Topic started on 11-10-2005 @ 06:09 PM by Browno
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Hey boys. I have found another stealth fighter that was made by monogram. It has the cockpit canopy of an F-16 and it has a bigger wingspan. It looks
well better and more evil than the testors one that looks like a mini SR-71. I have also heard that someone from the pentagon told testors that thier
F-19 model kit was innacurate and if it was made, it would crash.
I also heard that there were more advanced stealth fighters than the F-117 Nighthawk. If the F-19 does or did exist it would be the one
monogram made.
I was looking on some site about the F-19. It says the plane was made by Northrop Grumman and was designated F-19A Specter. Northrop and Lockheed did
not even know about each others projects. At the end of the day it was Lockheed that was chosen for production(AGAIN). The F-19A Specters were
destroyed but they say that one of them survived (SAME OLD STORY).
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reply posted on 11-10-2005 @ 06:12 PM by Seekerof
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You might find this of interest:
"F-19"
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reply posted on 11-10-2005 @ 06:49 PM by ShatteredSkies
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Yup, long story short, no one refers to the "Aurora" as F-19 anymore for various reasons. The F-19 designation is the the F-117 as it has been
originally called Senior Trend and the designation F-117 was printed on the flight manual.
So basically, the F-19 designation was just skipped, that's all.
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reply posted on 11-10-2005 @ 08:26 PM by ZPE StarPilot
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Another aircraft was built at the same time as the F-117. Northrop, Lockheed, General Dynamics, and McDonald-Douglas were all doing something. One of
them might have become the TR-3A. Nobody knows for sure.
For every aircraft in production, several various test articles often are built, and dozens of paper aircraft designs exist. We see none of them.
During the first gulf war, somebody slipped up and said the F-117's were going downtown with TR-3A's. That was later retracted. Too late, it was
published.
To me, that's what the rounded model of the testors F-19 looks like. But I don't think it's even close to the real thing. Wider and shorter, not
long like that. The model looks like a cross between the two, and without much information to work with. I do remember the US Air Force being rather
upset about the models, both of them, coming out.
Pics of models:
modelingmadness.com...
www.answers.com...
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reply posted on 11-10-2005 @ 08:41 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
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The thing is, the F-19 is a mystery and always will be a mystery. Nobody has ever refuted the existence of it, so until somebody does, it's just
another chapter in the amazing realm of Black Projects.
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reply posted on 11-10-2005 @ 09:09 PM by balrog
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Search for info on the Hawker p1224. Its an old unmanned aircraft with a very similar appearance to the Testors F-19.
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reply posted on 12-10-2005 @ 12:07 AM by 4for4
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Yeah, I've often pondered about the F-19 myself, although it's mostly from playing F-19 Stealth
Fighter too much as a kid. Very interesting looking craft, very curvy, smooth lines, almost "droopy" at the wingtips. Any ideas on how an
actual craft shaped so would perform?
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reply posted on 12-10-2005 @ 12:14 AM by FredT
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 Originally posted by 4for4
. Very interesting looking craft, very curvy, smooth lines, almost "droopy" at the wingtips. Any ideas on how an actual craft shaped so would
perform? 
Clancy brought up the fictional F-19 aka the Frisbee in Red Storm Rising. However, Im no arodynamics expert, but if the flight controll computers can
keep the F-117 in the air (According to Ben Rich, if they left the F-117 model to its own devices in the windtunnel it would actually weathervane and
"fly" backwards) then a design like the fictional F-19 should be possible.
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reply posted on 12-10-2005 @ 05:25 AM by ghost
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This seems to be the immortal Black Project, like a boomerang, it keeps coming back time and again. The F-19 has Visited ATS atleast 8 to 10 times
that I can think of. Either they created one of the greatest disinformation projects of all times, or there is really something behind the F-19
story.
Let's assume for a moment, the F-19 is real! We now have some questions to look at:
1. If this plane is real, why is it still classified?
-It could be a covert Spy Plane of some kind! After all the F-117 is a strike aircraft, and NOT a fighter
2. Has anyone seen it?
-We can check into Unidentified Aircraft sighting in Nevada and California. Does anyone know if anyone has ever seen anything flying that
matches the F-19's general discripition?
-How about Call Signs? Do we have any Unidentified Unit Call signs in the southwest (Nevada, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico)?
3. How Many are there? Could this be a small silver bullet force of about 20? If so, they might still be at Groom Lake!
4. As Fred pointed out, Useing today's Flight control Systems, the F-19 design should be possible! Maybe the unit is using advanced Stealth
technologies! Has anyone thought that Maybe the Bird of Prey Demonstrator wasn't the only stealth aircraft to experiment with daylight stealth
technology?
Is this real, or the Best Fake ever created? That is the real $1'000'000 question?
Tim
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reply posted on 12-10-2005 @ 11:25 AM by Canada_EH
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Originally posted by FredT
Originally posted by 4for4
. Very interesting looking craft, very curvy, smooth lines, almost "droopy" at the wingtips. Any ideas on how an actual craft shaped so would
perform?
Clancy brought up the fictional F-19 aka the Frisbee in Red Storm Rising. However, Im no arodynamics expert, but if the flight controll computers can
keep the F-117 in the air (According to Ben Rich, if they left the F-117 model to its own devices in the windtunnel it would actually weathervane and
"fly" backwards) then a design like the fictional F-19 should be possible.
[edit on 10/12/05 by FredT]
Hence the nickname wobbly goblin. Where they saw even more the problems witht he design was when they tried to do mid air refuel the thing was wobbly
as hell.
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reply posted on 12-10-2005 @ 12:54 PM by Figher Master FIN
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Well, this thing has already been posted... As said, there was a sort of a competition between the F-117 and the F-19, now, The F-117 won so they
closed the program...
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reply posted on 12-10-2005 @ 02:44 PM by ShatteredSkies
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Originally posted by Figher Master FIN
Well, this thing has already been posted... As said, there was a sort of a competition between the F-117 and the F-19, now, The F-117 won so they
closed the program...
That wasn't said before.
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reply posted on 13-10-2005 @ 05:31 AM by ghost
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Originally posted by Figher Master FIN
Well, this thing has already been posted... As said, there was a sort of a competition between the F-117 and the F-19, now, The F-117 won so they
closed the program...
Nice sounding theory, but sadly, It does NOT work when we test it against the Facts!
The F-117 was actually a no bids contract that was based on the resualts of Have Blue! Have Blue had no official designation, but it was a pure
research aircraft (kind of like the X-1 rocket plane).
At the time when Have Blue was built the program was being run by DARPA and had only 3 goals:
1. To Demonstrate LO characteristics on a full size manned aircraft.
2. To investigate how LO design would affect flight worthiness and aircraft handeling characteristics.
3. Evaluate potential missions for future LO aircraft.
Based on the sucess of Have Blue the USAF drew up a requirement for a single seat, light strike aircraft that was to be bases on the sucessful
technology demonstated by Have Blue.
Tim
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reply posted on 31-10-2005 @ 01:21 PM by Browno
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
The thing is, the F-19 is a mystery and always will be a mystery. Nobody has ever refuted the existence of it, so until somebody does, it's just
another chapter in the amazing realm of Black Projects.
Northrop Grumman F-19 Specter Specifications:
Length……………………………………………53ft 6in
Wingspan…………………………………………36ft 8in
Height………………………….…………………..8ft 4in
Max T/O Weight……………………………….34,200lbs
Combat Weight………………………………...26,625lbs
Max Speed……………………….………………..Mach 5
Cruising Speed…………………….…………..Mach 2.66
Service Ceiling…………………………………235,000ft
Max Ferry Range…………………………………6400nm
Combat Radius…………………………………...1870nm
Armament………………………....4 x AIM-120-W93-SP
Fire Control System...................... AN/APQ-125C with
cryogenically cooled infra-red and temporal/magnetic search
and track fire control functions.
Engines…2 x Aerodyne HJ-20 with 36,000lbs thrust each
Construction…………Cyano-acrylically bonded graphite/
epoxy fuselage and wing, titanium
engine nacelles, Lumispex-coated
canopy, all sheathed by classified
proprietary RAM
Crew……………..1 in D model, 2 in E model (eight built)
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reply posted on 31-10-2005 @ 05:20 PM by ShatteredSkies
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Originally posted by Browno
Northrop Grumman F-19 Specter Specifications:
Length……………………………………………53ft 6in
Wingspan…………………………………………36ft 8in
Height………………………….…………………..8ft 4in
Max T/O Weight……………………………….34,200lbs
Combat Weight………………………………...26,625lbs
Max Speed……………………….………………..Mach 5
Cruising Speed…………………….…………..Mach 2.66
Service Ceiling…………………………………235,000ft
Max Ferry Range…………………………………6400nm
Combat Radius…………………………………...1870nm
Armament………………………....4 x AIM-120-W93-SP
Fire Control System...................... AN/APQ-125C with
cryogenically cooled infra-red and temporal/magnetic search
and track fire control functions.
Engines…2 x Aerodyne HJ-20 with 36,000lbs thrust each
Construction…………Cyano-acrylically bonded graphite/
epoxy fuselage and wing, titanium
engine nacelles, Lumispex-coated
canopy, all sheathed by classified
proprietary RAM
Crew……………..1 in D model, 2 in E model (eight built)
Can't be the Aurora that's for sure! 
That's a pretty nice sounding aircraft you got there, now what exactly happened to it?
The Aurora aircraft is strongly believed to be purely a recon aircraft. And it may be unmanned as well.
I believe that the F-19 in this case is completely different than the Aurora that people are thinking about, because people usually associate the F-19
with the Aurora.
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reply posted on 1-11-2005 @ 08:12 AM by ghost
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Originally posted by Browno
Northrop Grumman F-19 Specter Specifications:
Length……………………………………………53ft 6in
Wingspan…………………………………………36ft 8in
Height………………………….…………………..8ft 4in
Max T/O Weight……………………………….34,200lbs
Combat Weight………………………………...26,625lbs
Max Speed……………………….………………..Mach 5
Cruising Speed…………………….…………..Mach 2.66
Service Ceiling…………………………………235,000ft
Max Ferry Range…………………………………6400nm
Combat Radius…………………………………...1870nm
Armament………………………....4 x AIM-120-W93-SP
Fire Control System...................... AN/APQ-125C with
cryogenically cooled infra-red and temporal/magnetic search
and track fire control functions.
Engines…2 x Aerodyne HJ-20 with 36,000lbs thrust each
Construction…………Cyano-acrylically bonded graphite/
epoxy fuselage and wing, titanium
engine nacelles, Lumispex-coated
canopy, all sheathed by classified
proprietary RAM
Crew……………..1 in D model, 2 in E model (eight built)
These sound like specs. for a high altitude interceptor! Where did you find these Browno? If these are real military specs from a program, you may
have found part of some black project! The high max speed, the range, and the service ceiling sound a lot like a high altitude interceptor.
Maybe there really is a stealth interceptor out there!
Tim
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reply posted on 2-11-2005 @ 11:57 AM by Browno
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Originally posted by ghost
Originally posted by Browno
Northrop Grumman F-19 Specter Specifications:
Length……………………………………………53ft 6in
Wingspan…………………………………………36ft 8in
Height………………………….…………………..8ft 4in
Max T/O Weight……………………………….34,200lbs
Combat Weight………………………………...26,625lbs
Max Speed……………………….………………..Mach 5
Cruising Speed…………………….…………..Mach 2.66
Service Ceiling…………………………………235,000ft
Max Ferry Range…………………………………6400nm
Combat Radius…………………………………...1870nm
Armament………………………....4 x AIM-120-W93-SP
Fire Control System...................... AN/APQ-125C with
cryogenically cooled infra-red and temporal/magnetic search
and track fire control functions.
Engines…2 x Aerodyne HJ-20 with 36,000lbs thrust each
Construction…………Cyano-acrylically bonded graphite/
epoxy fuselage and wing, titanium
engine nacelles, Lumispex-coated
canopy, all sheathed by classified
proprietary RAM
Crew……………..1 in D model, 2 in E model (eight built)
These sound like specs. for a high altitude interceptor! Where did you find these Browno? If these are real military specs from a program, you may
have found part of some black project! The high max speed, the range, and the service ceiling sound a lot like a high altitude interceptor.
Maybe there really is a stealth interceptor out there!
Tim
Go to the other F-19 discussion board, i have put some F-19 model sites but remember , this board is STRICTLY about the Northrop Grumman F-19A
Specter, the one the model company MONOGRAM made becouse if the F-19 does exist, This one would be even more likley to be the one.
AND ALSO This particular F-19 Specter information is VERY hard to find.
REMEMBER THESE
Northrop-Grumman.
Black Cat Facility-equivalent of Lockheed Martin 'Skunkworks'.
F-19- (Specter)
PROJECT SPECTER
R-5 Sceptre on one model site.
GOOD LUCK TIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Or any other F-19 buff).
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reply posted on 2-11-2005 @ 12:51 PM by Figher Master FIN
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F-19
F-19_2
There ya go...
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reply posted on 2-11-2005 @ 02:06 PM by Shadowhawk
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The F-19 designation would have gone to the Northrop export fighter aircraft that started out as the F-5G. Northrop officials requested the F-19
designation be skipped so they could have a round number (F-20) that would be better for marketing as a whole new generation of fighter plane. That
accounts for the gap in the number sequence.
Theoretically, F-19 could show up as a designator for a classified aircraft in the same way that YF-24 and YF-113G have already been used.
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reply posted on 2-11-2005 @ 04:05 PM by waynos
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Props to shadowhawk! That is exactly true. I have looked in my files which I put together from Flight magazine during 1977-82 (when I got a proper
job) and it is there in black and white. A few months after the F-5G proposal is covered there is an article on the launch and, just as Shadowhawk
said, the report states that the designation of the new design has been changed to reflect the fact that it is a new aircraft rather than just a
warmed over F-5 and furthermore the F-20 designation was selected rather than the 'next in sequence' F-19 to reflect a new generation for marketing
purposes.
Same piece also talks of the F-20's 'rival' intermediate fighter, the F-16/79 which was to be a J-79 powered F-16.
Ironic therefore that the F-20 won out in this selection process but the standard F-16 cleaned up in the export markets while the F-20 remained
unsold.
Anyway, is that an end to all the 'F-19' silliness? I bet its not. 
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