Americans Now support Interacial Dating

you people certainly don't understand RACe, the dimensions, the deep spiritual aspects of keeping the bloodline and your racial STock pure, and everything.....

AHHHH!!

No, YOU would be the one who doesn't understand, despite some very good posts here explaining to you that race is not a biological explanation but a social constructed concept. A debate is to share ideas and listen to the opinions of others, what you want is some sort of justification for your racist beliefs.





[edit on 20-10-2005 by nikelbee]

A debate is to share ideas and listen to the opinions of others, what you want is some sort of justification for your racist beliefs.

what is so racist about wanting to marry your own kind? the animals do it, why can't we?

Don't start me on who's racist here, my bro...... This will become too heated..

One more thing, This interacial breeding, is the ULTIMATE CONSPIRACY!

what is so racist about wanting to marry your own kind? the animals do it, why can't we?

There is a significant difference there.

A cat does'nt get with a dog, because they are a completely seperate species, and can not successfully produce offspring.

Humans are all one species, there are only tiny differences between all of us.

Subsequently, a calico cat and a siamese cat will get together, and that the cat equivilent of interracial coupling.

Originally posted by sugeshotcha
yeah interacial as in white americans dating imported europeans (the majority Italian migrants for example), not black africans living in america. The example used in the first post is quite ridiculous as white american probably still do support black lynching, and there really never was much discrimination against europeans in America, let alone some dramatic sudden change of acceptance. There were never any pure races in the world anyway except assumingly when the races were originally created, but some became cross bred anyway. Even the english are actually formed from Normandy's (who later became the french) and scandanavian races such as the Vikings from places such as Denmark. Also, globalisation through migration has basically destroyed the rest of the races off by destroying the true cultures and identities of countries but people still think countries have identities and cultures (and this is the profiteering faux tourism comes in). Do you really think people in Australia throw boomerangs, wear acobras and ride kangaroos and are white, no. Most of asia has migrated here now. Do you really think you can find white english people eating fish and chips in England. No. You find more white australians in england than in Australia and the rest of england is made up of Tanzanians and other Africans, and a large proportion of the muslims from the Middle East. Similarly Germany and Austria are significantly filled with Turkish middle easterners now. And France should be renamed Africa!! One thing that pi$$es me off is China for example, with it's two child policy, the people don't like it so they go to countries like Australia where they can overpopulate our country and exhaust our resources instead.

Basically inter-racial breeding has always been but currently, is globally out of control by mass proportions.



[edit on 20-10-2005 by sugeshotcha]

You are ignorant, pure and simple. Most Americans do NOT support black lynching. And there WAS ALOT of discrimination of white Europeans here in America. Obviously, you never read your history very well. Irish, when they immigrated here, were treated poorly. So were the Italians. In fact, discrimination against the Irish was very mainstream. Businesses once displayed signs that said "Irish Need Not Apply" in their windows quite boldly.

Originally posted by sugeshotcha
Most of asia has migrated here now.

Most of Asia? There are around 2 billion people in China and India alone and around 20 million in Australia. Somehow I don't think that 'most' of Asia has migrated to Australia.

Do you really think you can find white english people eating fish and chips in England. No.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a post full of inaccuracies. I had to laugh outloud when I read it.

How about a big resounding YES!!

Who do you think EATS fish and chips anyway? If your point is that new ethnic foods are taking over British cuisine you might have a point. But you don't say this. Do you really think THEY (the immigrants) are the ones eating up the fish and chips, while the 'white' people eat other foods? If so, would it be considered a cross-cultural exchange programme of 'we'll trade you this curry for some of that' or 'can I have your falafal and you can have this boring cod, we're tired of eating it anyway?'

Are you implying that those devious immigrants have plotted to steal the 'unofficial' national dish away from the majority? Does the dish now belong to someone else? If so, I would agree that it is a start toward breaking that great culinary divide. But sadly, it is far from true.

White people eat fish and chips. Trust me on this. They also eat other delicious and ethnic dishes and there seems to be some argument about this cultural acceptance from the older generation. Yes, there are some that don't want to accept ANY new foods and consider 'exotic' foods like salsa, soft cheeses, kiwis and pumpkins. THEY are the ones who are die-hard, 'must continue eating fish and chips even if kills us' variety. So you see, your argument backfires.

All you have to do is board the bus, go down the nearest highstreet and then look out the window to see who is queueing up at the chippie.

If you had wanted to make the point that migration all around the world is a problem, and that one of those problems has been the erosion of so called 'cultural' lifestyles, reflected infoods and national dishes, that would have been one thing. But you want to blanket deny and make general assumtions that are ridiculous and (many thanks for this) amusing.

That you can get this one simple and harmless fact so wrong, says a lot about the rest of your post.

There is a significant difference there.

And what is it? There's a significant diffrence between black and white, and that should remain so.. We are so diffrent.... There are many things I hate about Whites, and also some things I kind of like in them..

Originally posted by crusader
you people certainly don't understand RACe, the dimensions, the deep spiritual aspects of keeping the bloodline and your racial STock pure, and everything.....

AHHHH!!

These people do understand it. Bless their little racist hearts.

So, crusader, you probably support these girls, then, right? After all they preach the same message you do.

"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."

yea, I support them, 100% let them keep to themselves I to my people, we will be better off.. I want an African?Black princess! Hell Yea!!

I'm pretty staggered by all this, I mean if you happen to be white/black/hispanic and are only attracted to others of your race fair enough that's just sexual preference. When people turn that into a prerequisite it's a problem, one that should have been worked out and discarded by now.

Personally if I had a son or daughter I would be far more concerened about the qualities and character of their chosen spouse. I might not want to see my offspring dating a black person who totally buys into all this gangsta, mysoginist crap but equally I wouldn't like them dating some worthless white 'chav' either as these are aspects within black and white cultures that I dislike and I would seriously question if that individual could offer the commitment, respect and stability to make my offspring happy. At the end of the day if the person has positive qualities to offer I could give a stuff about a small thing like pigmentation. I don't know about the US but here in the UK there are plenty of mixed race children and most of them no more or less screwed up than any other child. Interacial marriage/relationships seem to be far less of an issue here it seems.

Originally posted by crusader
Most of those arguments still will not convince me on this issue on interacial dating.

Interesting, that's not a definition of race.

Ask me why I have so much hatred against interacial marriages.

We already know, you're a racist.

First Interacial marriages/dating whatever is a fad, a myth, whatever you want to call it, and not everyone is going to jump in this stupid bandwagon,

So now you know the minds of everyone doing this eh? And whats this about it being a fad? If anything, the fad was the recent prohibitions against it. In human history, interbreeding has been more of the norm than the exception.

and you were in a loving relationship, it is wrong..... very wrong,

You do realize that you share basically the same mentality of the people that enslaved your own, right? I mean, obviously not precisely the same mentality, but still, how's it feel to have so much in common with them??

You know what disgusts me?

Other races and people that are different, we know, we know.

what will become of both genes of the two parents?

Precisely the same thing that will happen if they are of different race. Do you not understand inheritence and genetics???

you people certainly don't understand RACe, the dimensions, the deep spiritual aspects of keeping the bloodline and your racial STock pure, and everything

Well excuse us for not being akin to nazis.

what is so racist about wanting to marry your own kind?

If your decision is based on race then its racist. Duh.

There's a significant diffrence between black and white

No. There isn't. Infact, there's practically no difference at all.

yea, I support them, 100%

And will you support them when they lock up blacks into concentration camps and exterminate them? These girls are white nationalists, not 'merely' people who are proud of their heritage, they want to destroy other races, remove them from the white nation.

I want an African?Black princess! Hell Yea!!

Then move to africa, because the people in the US are americans. Any black woman that you marry in the US has white genes, because the two races have been intermixing for quite some time now. And, similarly, black genes have flowed out of the black american population and into the white american population.

skadi
race exists as a biological entity

Define it.

And each breed has its own defining characteristics and predisposition to problems medically

They don't. Being black doesn't mean that you are more susptible to sickle cell, for example, sickle cell is determined by genetics that are independant of race, as are other hereditary diseases. Are you saying that if a person isn't more suseptible to certain types of heart disease, that they then aren't black??

It has been found in many studies that different drugs and medications are not metabolized the same by whites. blacks, and asians

This actually isn't true. Its a problem of being too inspecific. Whats actually been found is that there are a lot of people, who self-identify as black, that metabolize a drug different than most people who self-identify as white, not that all white people metabolize it differently than blacks.

I myself have no real interest in dating outside my race, although I have dated persons of mixed race

If you won't date someone because of their race, you're a racist, just like if you won't let someone live in your town becuase of race, or hire someone because of race. If race is the determining factor, then its a racist decision. you're saying that you tend to not be attracted to, say, most black women, not that the full spectrum of black women are invariantly unattractive to you, or white women, men, whatever.

But I say again, simply because a person dates exclusively within their own race does not make them haters.

Simply because a person hasn't dated outside their supposed race doesn't mean that they are racist, agreed, one doesn't need to be a racist to just happened to have not dated someone outside their race. Its the 'why' answer that is determinant here. If its just that you, despite say having known a good mix of different people, just haven't found yourself attracted to the people outide your race, then who is anyone to say that you are racist? But if you say 'all of that race are undateable', well, its racist.

sugeshotcha
and there really never was much discrimination against europeans in America,

Tell that to the irish who got brought over to the US and were put to work in places that people didn't want to 'waste' their slaves on. Or tell that to the catholics who couldn't, and sometimes still can't, run for office without being said to be pawns of the pope. Or tell it to the germans and eastern europeans who were looked upon as socialist radicals who had to be monitored. Or tell it to the italians who weren't allowed to buy houses in anglo neighbhorhoods.
I wouldn't pretend that europeans had it worse off than blacks, they definitly got the shaft, but lets not ignore that other groups have been on the receiving end of some pretty vulgar bigotry and racism.

There were never any pure races in the world anyway except assumingly when the races were originally created

Thats the thing, the 'races' were never created, there was just a spectrum of human variety, and at certain times one group or another said 'anyone falling within this range is anathema and impure'.

is globally out of control by mass proportions

What the heck does 'outof control' mean? As if there is some montrous mongrellized horde that has to be protected against. And you're simply wrong about there not being english in england or germans in germany. Blacks in the US, for example, represent 12-14 percent of the popolation, which is pretty large for a minority, whereas non anglos in england are far far less, and turks in germany are far far less. Sure, everony in germany lover donner kabobs, but that doesn't mean that they're all turks.

The Turks, btw, are an excellent example of why race is bs. The Turks are a people originally from central asia, who speak an asian language, who migrated explosively out of central asia and into the middle east and asia minor. IOW, they were asians. Nowadays, the Turks are compleletely 'different' and most people can't tell the difference between them and arabs. Just across the hellespont from the turks are the greeks. Sure, they're considered caucasian, but they're far more different from anglos and finlanders than they are from supposedly different racially Turks, just across their border. Indeed, the greeks share far more genes with the turks and cypriots and other eastern mediterrenean people than with the fins or swedes or irish.

is globally out of control by mass proportions

Because they'd like to identify with being 'italian', and they define italian in a non-logical non-systematic and irrational way that suits their own needs. People that live in what is now albania sometimes refer to themselves as italians. Indeed, what makes one 'italian', if it can be anything outside of living in italy? There is no rational definition.

their own then we should refer to our roots also, (Welsh, English, Scottish, Irish).

So go ahead, no one is stopping you from saying "I'm Scotch Australian".

nathraq
Well, Italian is not a race, as Welsh, Scottish, German, and French are not. They are cultures, national identities.

Sure, they're cultures and national identities, today. In the past, they were races. The Scots were a race, considered inferior to the english race. The irish were a race, the gauls, another race. The Romans considered the German race to be far inferior to their own Latin race, when they were in power. And then when the 'germans' invaded and occupied italy they consiered the puny italians to be far inferior to their own race.

Kings from around the world since the beginning of civilizations only married into other royal families, or noble families

yes, other nobles, regardless of their race. The kings of spain was ruling the netherlands for a while, even tho people in the netherlands considered spainards to be a different race. The nobles of austria, mainly germanic, would marry into the hungarian nobles, who were of a different race. There is no traidition to preserve here.

Nygradan...

Here's what it all boils down to... The conspiracy of this whole interacial dating FAD. Some black men do it because they enjoy the thrill of breaking taboos. FACT.

Most black men don't , and the majority will not join the minority, but they will rather date their own sistas, and marry them and have black kids with them. These are cold hard facts...

And most like me are ``staunch`` same race daters. We are very wary, leery of dating beyond the colour lines and especially dating caucasiann females.

As a matter of fact, I have been given the opportunity a number of times to get involved in an interacial relationship. But I chose not too.

I am just not attracted to white females, not now or ever. It's not in my nature.

Obviusly there are other reasons too, like the pale skin, the grey eyes, blue eys, i don't like.. I just prefer black females.

Originally posted by crusader
Here's what it all boils down to... The conspiracy of this whole interacial dating FAD. Some black men do it because they enjoy the thrill of breaking taboos. FACT.

Most black men don't , and the majority will not join the minority, but they will rather date their own sistas, and marry them and have black kids with them. These are cold hard facts...

Do you know what a 'fact' is? Where is your data? Your polls? These are your opinions. You don't know every black person and have the knowledge to speak for them.

What is a FAD exactly? People have been dating across racial lines for hundreds of years. What makes you think this is a FAD? The fact that you just noticed it?

What's the conspiracy? That this original poll isn't true? Where's your source? You? If you are the source, that makes it an opinion, not a conspiracy!

You want it to be a FAD. You wish it was a conspiracy, but that simply doesn't make it so. Unless and until you can show some proof of the black community as a whole, the 'facts' you state are merely your opinions. And they are in the minority here.

Source1

Over the course of the Pew values surveys, there has been a sea change in the public's views on interracial dating. It was a divisive topic when the surveys began in 1987 fewer than half (48%) felt it was appropriate for blacks and whites to date. But today, this is largely a settled issue: 77% accept interracial dating.

Source2

90% say they have or they would date another race.

Source3

The poll -- conducted by Zogby America for Reuters -- asked more than 1,225 adults "Would you approve of your son or daughter dating someone outside of your race?" More than 67 percent of the respondents said they would approve of their child having an interracial relationship while more than 22 percent would be staunchly opposed and 10 percent were unsure.

Source4

A Christian site poll:
Over 90% say yes, they approve

Source5

A recent poll of the feelings of people in this country about interracial dating and marriage found widespread acceptance of both among Americans of all races and ethnicities. A majority of the whites, Hispanics, Asians and African Americans who were questioned told pollsters that it makes no difference if people marry someone of their own race or of a different race.

Source6

A recent opinion poll reveals that most Americans no longer oppose interracial dating. The issue goes to the gist of the concerns of white supremacists. If one believes one's race is superior is to other races, then maintaining the 'purity' of that race may be paramount.

I cannot find a poll that says people don’t overwhelmingly approve of interracial dating and/or marriage.

It’s your opinion, not fact.

Mrs. Benovelent Heretic... Who authorizes these polls? Do a poll, on say how many people like cheese burgers, they will say almost 75% people support having cheeseburgers for breakfast. Remember the media gauges public opinions. Period...

I am not going to be coerced or chastised for having my views on racial purity, or choosing my own race. Heretic, u will have been burnt to the stake for your views.

You know, this really a conspiracy, ``if you can't kill all the non-whites, join them, mix with them, and there u will rid the race eventually.

You know, this really a conspiracy, ``if you can't kill all the non-whites, join them, mix with them, and there u will rid the race eventually.

OH . . . MY . . . GOD!!!!!

Are you serious? - If you think 'all the whites' think they're so superior and hate you so much that they would actually 'plan' to do that, what makes you think they could actually go through with it? Wouldn't that 'rid' the world of the white race too?

I don't know if you're just looking to stir up a hornet's nest - or if you really beleive all this garbage you're spewing.

Either way, you're a nut-job!

Anyone that had just skimmed through this thread, and didn't actually notice that you're black, and had only paid attention to your attitude - would think that you are a grand wizard in the kkk or something with all that "keep it pure" crap. You're not coming across as advocating harm to whites, but your attitude is the same as what started groups like the kkk and nazis.

If you're only attracted to people of the same ethnic persuasion as you, fine and dandy! - but telling others that they "NEED" to do the same IS RACISM!!!! Telling others it's 'wrong' to interbreed between ethnicities IS RASISM!!!!(The bad kind, not the dictionary definition of it) If you dont' get that, then there is no point in telling it to you again.

Originally posted by crusader
Some black men do it because they enjoy the thrill of breaking taboos. FACT.

Emphasis added. I have no doubt that some people date other people for all the wrong reasons. Its preposterous to suggest that none of these people are actually interested in each other and relate to each other as individuals, rather than monolithic racial units. Try looking at people as people more, rather than races.

especially dating caucasiann females.

Yeah, because of racism and racist attitudes. No small coincidence that what used to be the slave race is wary of what used to be the master race no?

I am just not attracted to white females, not now or ever. It's not in my nature.

Right, because your a bigot and a racist, we got that.

Who authorizes these polls?

Whats it matter?

Do a poll, on say how many people like cheese burgers, they will say almost 75% people support having cheeseburgers for breakfast

Are you suggesting that the poll takers are simply lying, or that while 95 percent of people are infact ok with inter-racial dating, that that doesn't mean that they are ok with it for themselves?

You know, this really a conspiracy, ``if you can't kill all the non-whites, join them, mix with them, and there u will rid the race eventually.

Ah, so its paranoia in addition to physical disgust that motivates your racism. Intruiging, your racism is looking more and more like that of the old southern slave drivers more and more. Good job.

Right, because your a bigot and a racist, we got that.

Because I don't Like White females? What the Hell!! You all are the ones who are hypocrites!!!

Tell me why I must love the descendants of one who enslave me?

Originally posted by crusader
Heretic, u will have been burnt to the stake for your views.

Oh, really? Interesting. Is that like burnt till I'm stuck to the stake?

Originally posted by crusader
Tell me why I must love the descendants of one who enslave me?

Oh! You're a slave? Oh, man, I missed that! Sorry! You poor thing! No wonder you feel the way you do! You're a slave! I get it now. Slavery sucks, huh?

Originally posted by crusader

Right, because your a bigot and a racist, we got that.

Because I don't Like White females? What the Hell!! You all are the ones who are hypocrites!!!

Tell me why I must love the descendants of one who enslave me?

Where has anyone told you you MUST date or marry interracially? Where has anyone said that you MUST even 'like' slave owners. (Besides, in America and most other countries, slave owners have been dead for a VERY long time.)

I thought the whole point of this thread was to see what others thought of that poll that said interracial dating was more accepted these days - I agree that it's more accepted, I don't know if the numbers are accurate or not, but nonetheless, interracial dating IS more accepted now than it was 50 years ago. Duh! IT'S MORE ACCEPTED - not necessarily 'that much more' engaged in. I do believe most people are attracted to people that share the same aesthetic qualities as them, but that poll suggests that people are more accepting of other couples that engage in interracial dating/marrying.

This suggests that people don't 'mind' as much if OTHERS engage in it, not that they think people SHOULD! And I thought that people being tolerant of what others choose to do WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A GOOD THING!

Not according to you -

If one of your friends happens to start dating a white chick, are you going to stop being friends with them? Will you tell them how disgusting they are being? When you have a child that is old enough to date, are you going to forbid them to date outside their race? Will you teach them that it's 'wrong' or 'disgusting' or disrespectful of their heritage? Will you tolerate it or will you kick them out of the house if they happen to fall in love with someone that doesn't have the right pigmentation according to you? What if your child happens to be born albino? Will you not love them as much as you would a 'normal' child?

It's attitudes like yours that will keep racism going strong WELL into the 22nd century.

you people certainly don't understand RACe, the dimensions, the deep spiritual aspects of keeping the bloodline and your racial STock pure, and everything.....

AHHHH!!

Yes, "AHHHH!!" indeed - Not for most people being accepting of other's choices, but for YOUR backwards attitude.

Do what you wish, do what YOU feel is right FOR YOU - but don't force your antiquated opinion on others!

"AHHHH!!"