Americans Now support Interacial Dating

Originally posted by Nygdan
Of course it does. Thats what racism is at its base. Keep the race "pure", don't mix with those dirty subhumans, preserve the bloodlines. Its racism.

So this is what PTS looks like!!

Nygdan, I can see how some can perceive what I said to be racist, but that's not what I intended. It's really a no win situation. "Don't mix with those dirty subhumans, preserve the bloodlines"..............you said that, I didn't. You're putting words in to my mouth. The problem is that there's no middle ground when it comes to race. "Pure" might not have been the best word to use, but like I mentioned before "pride" and "pure" are one in the same to me. I have pride in my race, so sue me!!!!

This begs the question from one who believes in the Almighty, were different races put here on Earth to interbreed? If so then why did God make races? Are there different races because God wanted us to learn to get along with someone who looks different? Why race?????????

Originally posted by Nygdan
Actually I thought you were black. Honestly.

I don't really know how to respond to that. That's great. You may continue to think so.

Can an African American, or American Indian, or Asian person not have pride in their race as well?

Originally posted by Nygdan
What sense do you mean then? you don't want the other race to infect/spoil/dirty/dilute your race. This in the first place presupposes that your race has actual racial characteristics, which, of course, it doesn't. There is nothing to preserve in terms of 'race', and people don't get all worked up over pride in melanin concentration or the angles of facial bones. They get appalled by dirty, savage, less than human under men mixing with their pure race, ie racism. Perhaps you aren't a violent racist, and perhaps you get along with and genuinely like members of other races, but you recognize these non existent groups called races, give them some properties or another (at least properties that can be kept undiluted) and also, more importantly, aren't 'down' with them mixing; not enough to tell someone else their business, but enough to say 'my blood shalt not mix with thine blood'. Thats a basic, simple, stunningly acceptable part of racism.

See my first reply in this post.

Peace

[edit on 14-10-2005 by Dr Love]

Originally posted by Amethyst
Around here, if you're a white girl and don't want to date a black guy, you're accused of being racist. Talk about guilt trip.

It's not racism to not like interracial dating and/or marriage. My issue is this (for those who blatantly ignored most of my post) :

I don't mind as much if you really LOVE each other. But too many times it's because the black guy wants a white woman because it makes him look cool. That black guy, in effect, is saying that blacks are inferior.

My husband, for example, hates red hair. Doesn't mean he hates redheads...just doesn't like the color hair. I'm surprised people don't scream discrimination for THAT!

I also think it's being encouraged by the NWO shills to break down any racial/national barriers.

I always took it for granted I'd marry white, since I'm predominantly white. For some reason it never occurred to me to do otherwise.

I didn't ignore your post. You said you have "black friends". By saying that statement you showed your true colors. You may not think that your a bigot but you are. These "Black Friends" that you have are not really your friends. Let them here you say that crap in a social setting and see how they react. The fact that your husband is "disgusted” by it also shows a little about how you feel. If two people are married they share a similar belief system. It might not be the same but similar.

Can someone explain to me how is it that I am racist (as a young black male) By wanting to marry my own race? Or to put to the fact how is it racist that a young white male want to marry his own kind?

Explain that to me polease

Although I believe another member posted this above as well, I'll reiterate:

racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

Source: dictionary.reference.com...

I've bolded the definition I believe is most appropriate here. By saying you do not want to date anyone because of a particular reason--whatever it may be--you are discriminating against that person. They're ugly, fat, too dumb, too smart, too skinny, whatever, you're technically discriminating against them. When you discriminate against someone because of their race, it is called racist.

Believe me, if you let yourself get past the color of someone's skin, I'm sure you'll find plenty of more rational reasons to not date them. If you're going to discriminate, do it on the basis of someone's personality--do it because they're a jackass, they're too shallow, too moody, don't like the same things you do. You could be missing out on someone who's absolutely perfect for you because you're so closed minded you'll only look at someone for what they are, not who they are. There's a much bigger world out there than just black, white, latino, asian, etc.

MCory1

What I find interesting about that definition is how they include the word "religion". If I were Catholic and only wanted to date other Catholics for religious reasons, that too would be a terrible thing??

Peace

[edit on 14-10-2005 by Dr Love]

Originally posted by Dr Love
What I find interesting about that definition is how they include the word "religion". If I were Catholic and only wanted to date other Catholics for religious reasons, that too would be a terrible thing??

First, the mention of religion when dealing with terms of race confused me a little as well; the only guess I have is that race and religion are often intertwined to some degree, given the cultures involved.

As far as dating someone of a different religion, in my eyes, that's an entirely different issue. That's more of a personality "trait" than biological--that's like saying you don't want to date someone who listens to opera. It's still technically discrimination, but I honestly don't see how it's directly racist by the terms they want to use in that definition.

Uhh not marrying someone , who's not my race racist? Uhh, u got me boggled....

Listen What if I am attracted to only Black females,ONLY. Does that mean I discrimnate against White Females or Asian Females?

That's nonsense!

I just don't get it!!! In my eyes, the more we have to walk on eggshells when talking about race and racism, the more of a problem it actually becomes.

It didn't take my good buddy RANT but a few seconds to hit me with the Nazi/Hitler/eugenics tag after reading my original post.

I have pride in my race and so should everybody else. If you want to date or marry outside your race go ahead and knock yourself out. I was speaking of my children specifically, not anyone else's.

Peace

Originally posted by crusader
Uhh not marrying someone , who's not my race racist? Uhh, u got me boggled....

Based on my last post, if that's the only reason you won't marry them, then yes, you're racist. Racism does not have to mean you're out shooting white people, denying them jobs, or screaming "Kill Whitey" on a street corner. Racism is merely the discrimination against someone because of their race--the more obvious cases of racism, the ones including violence and abuse, are not the only forms of racism that exist.

Listen What if I am attracted to only Black females,ONLY. Does that mean I discrimnate against White Females or Asian Females?

That's nonsense!

Okay, back to the dictionary:

discriminate

adj 1: marked by the ability to see or make fine distinctions; "discriminate judgments"; "discriminate people" [syn: discriminating] [ant: indiscriminate] 2: noting distinctions with nicety; "a discriminating interior designer"; "a nice sense of color"; "a nice point in the argument" [syn: nice] v 1: recognize or perceive the difference [syn: know apart] 2: treat differently on the basis of sex or race [syn: separate, single out] 3: distinguish; "I could not discriminate the different tastes in this complicated dish"

Although all of this seems to fit rather well, again I've bolded the part that fits best. Yes, doing so would mean you are discriminating against whites, asians, indians, martians, cats, dogs, and whatever other person/species is not of your race. Technically speaking, by saying you will only marry a woman you are discriminating against men. If you were homosexual and would only marry a man, then you would be discriminating against women.

Everyone discriminates in some way or another. That's why we all have certain people we consider friends and certain people we consider enemies. If people didn't discriminate, there'd be no cliques, no clubs, you'd get the whole "perfect harmony" crap.

Hiring one person over another--even due to actual abilities--is discrimination. The employer is discriminating against a person who does not have the proper intellectual requirements and/or experience. Not dating someone because they get on your nerves is discrimination. You can even say that a store that denies your purchase because you don't have the money is discriminating against you due to your financial state (or lack thereof.)

Saying that you're more attracted to one group of females with a particular feature--skin color in this instance--is still discriminating against the other females who don't share that feature. You may think that discrimination is too harsh a word for it; by most connotations it is, but by definition it's the very thing you're doing.

Originally posted by MCory1

I've bolded the definition I believe is most appropriate here. By saying you do not want to date anyone because of a particular reason--whatever it may be--you are discriminating against that person. They're ugly, fat, too dumb, too smart, too skinny, whatever, you're technically discriminating against them. When you discriminate against someone because of their race, it is called racist.

By trying to portray that I, as a white male who would not marry a black female, am a rascist for not doing so, is the funniest statement I've read all day.

Calling people rascists for not marrying ouside their racial group is not going to miraculously cause a phenemenom of mixed marriages springing up all around the globe. For me, the choice is personal. For you, it may be a different reason whether you would like to or not.

Most people feel comforable being around those who share a common language, culture, religion, or even skin color( if you live anywhere near a large city, you'll know exactly what I am talking about). I'm not going to get labeled for believing this way. A lot of couples that are mixed (and I'm talking about black/white, or white/latino) there is one dominant race/culture in play. If it is a black guy/ white girl, I would tend to say that the white girl talks and acts 'black', as opposed to stereotypical white. This goes vice/versa for a white guy that is involved with a black girl. Who really cares? I don't. Love is color blind ( to a certain extent).

I am Croatian, and I am married to a German. Croatia and Germany are historical allies, so our marriage got blessings from both sides of the families( even though she being a WASP, and me a Catholic Slav). I hope that my daughter will marry someone of German or Croatian descent. It's just my hope: but she is free to marry whomever she wishes.


There is nothing wrong with having pride in your race. All this smack about' there are no races', and 'we were genetically altered', and this race is better than that race', is just that: all crap. A person can have pride in their race/culture/religion, and not use it to put other people's down. This is the current fad of Liberalism: make people (white people) feel bad about themselves. We are the boogey-men of the planet. We destroyed entire cultures; we've destroyed the environment, and we've conquered empires. We are evil: We are white.

But I will not fall for this mentality. I will not let my children be prey to this either.

All of my ranting is intertwined with the original topic at hand: IMO, interracial marriages are not for me. Not because one group is better than another group. But because with every mixed marriage, a certain piece of that specific, original, ageless, and unique group is lost forever.

What a boring world we would live in if we were all the same!

Alright, I've tried to post the literal definition of "racism" on here, which means discriminating (also defined) against a person because of their race. Is this the wrong definition? Let's look at it again:

racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

To clarify, "discriminatory" stems from "discriminate", defined here:

discriminate

adj 1: marked by the ability to see or make fine distinctions; "discriminate judgments"; "discriminate people" [syn: discriminating] [ant: indiscriminate] 2: noting distinctions with nicety; "a discriminating interior designer"; "a nice sense of color"; "a nice point in the argument" [syn: nice] v 1: recognize or perceive the difference [syn: know apart] 2: treat differently on the basis of sex or race [syn: separate, single out] 3: distinguish; "I could not discriminate the different tastes in this complicated dish"

Let's reword that original definition for racist, using the definition discriminate slightly modified to avoid redundancy:
2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)]

Becomes:
2: treat differently, especially on the basis of race or religion

If you had two potential spouses to choose from, by some miracle of nature completely identical in personality and appearance except for skin color--one of your race and one not of your race. By making your choice dependant on the color of their skin you are treating them differently on the basis of race. Therefore, you are making a racist choice.

I'll admit it: I am more comfortable around white people I don't know than black or hispanic people I don't know. That's racist--I look at one group differently than another. I don't let it influence my actions, nor the decisions I make on who I like to hang out with or who I fall in love with. It's still a racist attitude though, my desired self image can't change the definitions.

Under such broad definitions of what people have been thowing around on this thread, I am a racist.
Why you might ask would I say this.
That is easy, I am Cherokee by birth but have blonde hair and blue eyes (great-great grandfather was German). Thus, the lasses of my race wanted nothing to do with me. I decided when I was young that American women in general no longer valued the family as much as they did their careers. I am of such a backward upbrining that I valued family first and foremost before career or anything else, so marriage to an American back then was not something that I even considered.
I instead married a Korean lady and have been happily married for nearly 16 years. So again by the definitions that have been used on this thread, I am racist because I found / beleived the women of my race as well as the other available American women were not suited to my personal nature.
And before someone says anything, no I did not marry an asian for their submissiveness. Quite the contrary! Anyone that meets my wife would agree that she is no way close to being submissive to anyone. But like me, family is first and foremost above and beyond all other concerns.

Originally posted by crusader
I will not have animosity towards whites, but thta doesn't mean to say, I am not racist, i should marry someone outside, my race.

And here you were saying that race has a biological basis, whereas in reality what you are talking about is a sociological and psychological phenomenon. I noticed this before when you had less of a problem with non-whites who weren't black, the gripe you have is an issue with the people who purchases your ancestors, and you see marrying into them as a selling out of your ancestors to the very people that oppressed them. Indeed, they were probably pretty resentful of the people that had enslaved them and might very well be 'upset' that their descendants would socially and physically mix with the oppressors. But, of course, they'd be foolish for thinking so, and the mixing is inevitable. As we speak genes are slowly trickling across the arbitrary 'racial' lines; they pose no barrier to genes.

Anyways, I want my children to llok like me, not a hybrid.

Your children will allways have half of your genes, irregardless of the other person. And what does that really have to do with you having a problem with other blacks breeding out of the race, what do you care what their kids look like, and how does this personal issue of yours really relate to preserving the 'race' as a whole. Indeed, it doesn't. Like noted before, the global population of chimps has more genetic diversity/variance than the global population of humans, all humans are practically identical. Any differences you think you perceive are entirely in your own head, when you get down to it. Your kids will never be composed of more than 50% of your genes, any 'not sameness' is comming from the mother of the offspring, and its the same amount whether she is black white or chinese.

Also, with the slavery bit, no one now is responsible for it and it makes little sense to hold a grudge like that. You keep saying you aren't racist, but your entire rationale is that whites carry, as a racial characteristic, this guilt for slavery (ie that which would make your anscestors spin in their graves).
Heck, if anything, I'd think that your ancestors would be more resentful if you married someone from the particular tribes of black-sellouts who literally sold them to the whites. The enemy within is greater than the enemy without no?

Dr Love
"Don't mix with those dirty subhumans, preserve the bloodlines"..............you said that, I didn't.

But what is the basic motivation behind the ideal of preservation of the race if not a desire to prevent its greatness from being diluted by mixing with something lessor? You obviously aren't saying that blacks are subhuman, but the idea that you do accept, 'no race mixing', ultimately stems from at least a primitve gutteral version of the above. Its the taboo against zoophilia, the other races are viewed as animals, and you shouldn't breed with animals (which, of course, is a good taboo).

were different races put here on Earth to interbreed? If so then why did God make races?

Jesus doesn't seem to say anything about not breeding with blacks or chinese. I don't buy into the whole arguement anyway, but look at it this way. God made man. He didn't make everyone identical, so there is variation. Now foolish man looks at this god-wrought variation, and says 'there are differences, there are different types of men'. For god its all the same, its just people that he made, man, in his parochial wordly viewpoint, puts the wrong ideas upon it. Even if every race mixed together today, but variability was maintained (as indeed it would), then men would simply say 'we don't have those old races, we have entirely different ones now, not that races had been unified. Just like the old example with italy. Where once there was dozens of races, now there's only one, the italian race. Heck, even thats not recognized and its subsumed into the 'white' race. This is because of people thinking and applying their cultural ideas, not because of a real biological basis.

Can an African American, or American Indian, or Asian person not have pride in their race as well

If you think about it, what the heck does any person with a particular melanin concentration have to do with any other particular person with a roughly similar concentration? People can be proud of what they want, but ultimately these prides are baseless.

Are there different races because God wanted us to learn to get along with someone who looks different? Why race

Thats the thing, there is no race. Its an invented thing, an idea.

If I were Catholic and only wanted to date other Catholics for religious reasons, that too would be a terrible thing??

Well, yeah, it kinda is no? Why not treat people as individuals, rather than 'black' or 'white'. I can understand at least that with religion, there is the issue of salvation, and a different religion wouldnt' get salvation, so there's allways that. But most people tend to think that 'good people' in general are 'saved', so that shouldn't really be much of an issue.

In my eyes, the more we have to walk on eggshells when talking about race and racism, the more of a problem it actually becomes.

I daresay that most of us aren't walking on eggshells, we're not repeating some PC tripe to present ourselves as good people or to save face. Hell, I don't care wtf people here think about me.

I was speaking of my children specifically, not anyone else's

Fair enough, but why would there really be a problem with your kids if they were part oriental or part native american or something? Sure, they'd look different, and that can make people uncomfortable, but thats really just a matter of 'getting used' to something that is unusual and not-familiar.

crusader
Or to put to the fact how is it racist that a young white male want to marry his own kind?

Because of the motivation, the motivation is that you don't want to mix with another race, because that race is something less than yours. You want to preserve your race, you don't want to tint it with an impurity, a 'something other'. Its fundamentally racist.

Listen What if I am attracted to only Black females,ONLY.

But you're not so thats irrelevant. There are hotties for every 'race'.

nathraq
as a white male who would not marry a black female, am a rascist for not doing so, is the funniest statement I've read all day.

You should try reading the statment about my line right here then, because what you just said is pretty ridiculous. you wont' marry a person stricly because they are of another race, thats racist, the entire decision is based on race.

Calling people rascists for not marrying ouside their racial group is not going to miraculously cause a phenemenom of mixed marriages springing up all around the globe.

Who the heck cares if that happens or not?

Who really cares? I don't. Love is color blind

You just stated that its not.

All this smack about' there are no races', and 'we were genetically altered', and this race is better than that race', is just that: all crap.

A couple of people have explained why there is no such thing as race, stating 'thats crap' hardly makes it so.

I will not let my children be prey to this either.

What do you mean 'fall prey to it', what exactly is the problem with this mentality, even if "we're" wrong and there are races? What are you saying happens when the race is diluted? That it becomes weak, inferior, it gets dumbed down, what?

But because with every mixed marriage, a certain piece of that specific, original, ageless, and unique group is lost forever.

This is completely and totally wrong. There is no group to begin with, and any child of yours has 50% of their genes in common with you, regardless of whatever 'race' anyone in particular wants to class them as. You are croatian. Are you saying that there's been a croatian race since the dawn of man? Of course not, its a recent ephemeral thing, this idea of being 'croatian', and its based on social constructs, such as living in a particular nation, etc.

Heck, if anything, I'd think that your ancestors would be more resentful if you married someone from the particular tribes of black-sellouts who literally sold them to the whites. The enemy within is greater than the enemy without no?

No. It wasn't like that. White people hear that black folk sold other black folk into slavery and the take that as an evil within evil. No, the only time it is actually recorded that this happened was during the 100 years war. When Africans were trying to fight European invasion they needed guns cause spears weren't doing the trick. So black on black slave trading...also caused by the whiteman. But, for the most part slave traders just used other slaves as trackers to snatched up whole villages during the night.

This was a brief moment in Black History...now we return you to your regularly scheduled race baiting.

When Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said "where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but on the content of their character," that was not just a 'guilt trip' for 'whitey' - that was meant for EVERYONE.

None of this race, gender, orientation crap 'should' matter - but it still does to so many people.

Nobody has any control over what they are attracted to - nobody controls the chemicals that get produced that tell your brain what features you're attracted to. When you see someone you're attracted to, you just know it - it's automatic - it just happens.

If you are ONLY attracted to people that primarily look like you, then by all means - ONLY try to date them. If you're only attracted to people that are tall - then go ahead, try to find you a tall person - if you are only attracted to people that are fond of toy poodles, and like to dye them pink, then you go right on and try to date one.

If you THINK you should only be attracted to someone of a certain characteristic, then who's to say you're wrong? It'd be best to keep it to yourself if you think everyone else should do the same thing.

But as soon as you go around telling others that they should ONLY be attracted to what you deem 'appropriate' - that's just plain wrong.

I don't know if I'd call it racism, or discrimination, or homophobia or just being a control freak - but one word that will fit the bill is IGNORANT. - and I don't mean the 'nice' ignorant, where someone just doesn't have the knowledge, I mean ignorant in the "duuuuurh!" sense.

Nobody should be told, forced, pressured or bullied into being attracted to anything other than what they are naturally attracted to.

If it's a peer pressure thing, and you let the opinions of others guide your personal attractions, then just imagine what you're missing out on -

As long as nobody is being physically or mentally abused, and everyone involved is old enough for it to be a consensual relationship - WHY SHOULD ANY OF THAT CRAP MATTER?

Based on my last post, if that's the only reason you won't marry them, then yes, you're racist. Racism does not have to mean you're out shooting white people, denying them jobs, or screaming "Kill Whitey" on a street corner. Racism is merely the discrimination against someone because of their race--the more obvious cases of racism, the ones including violence and abuse, are not the only forms of racism that exist

Uhh what nonsensical ranting... I can choose who I want to marry, or date, and if i am attracted to ONLY my race, then so be it. Actually I don't agree with this new FAD, called it want you want. I am not doing that , call me racist, for as long as you want, I am stubborn as a ox.

I don't have to show I am not racist, by going to intermarry and date.

I think there are problems in all that. Actually less than 1% of humans actually
marry outside the clan, Humans naturally go after their kind. Period. you see the pairings, and this only happens in certain places.

Fine man, you're not racist, regardless of how the word's defined. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I give up.

But you're not so thats irrelevant. There are hotties for every 'race'.

Yeah I agree there are hotties of every race, but I prefer my kind. Just like any odinary white male will prefer his own women. I think there's a specific passage bible which says something of the effect, it's forbidden to intermarry, I can't quote it right now, but I will get it for you, sometime.


Peace my friend.

i'm totally fine with whatever people want to do with their lives but there's no way if i had a daughter I would like them marrying a black guy or an aboriginal.
But then again if I had a son I wouldnt care who he married.

My prejudices are pretty weird arent they

I have a BIG problem with interracial dating. Interracial dating IS illegal, and I believe there are very good health-related reasons for this.

Keep it within the human race people. This is the one thing that the Pope, Jerry Falwell, myself, and even Osama Bin Laden would all agree on when it comes to ethics. (Well... maybe not Osama, but only when it gets REALLY cold, because camels have such warm fur... and even he'd probably never do it with a swine.)