What do the socio-economic points you raise have anything to do with how me and a woman(who happens to be of African descent) feel about each other?

Well, you won't see anything wrong with it, because, you are white, she won't see anything with it because she's not liberated, period

Originally posted by crusader

What do the socio-economic points you raise have anything to do with how me and a woman(who happens to be of African descent) feel about each other?

Well, you won't see anything wrong with it, because, you are white, she won't see anything with it because she's not liberated, period

That is hardly a satisfactory answer.

Please elaborate.

I don't see anything wrong with dating or marrying ANY woman, regardless of color.

If that makes me wrong, then I am glad to be that way.

Sue me.

At the very least, having dated women of many different ethnicities has simply given me a richer and more broad experience in this life. Not to mention a better appreciation of different backrounds. (be it socio or economic)

and what's this about she not being Liberated? Liberated from what?

It sounds more like ensnaring someone into closed minded thinking.

And it is good to know that you can judge two people you have never met. Or the rest of the black women I have dated.

And BTW, my current girlfriend is black. I will be sure to inform her that she is not liberated and that I am oppressing the black community by dating her.

Funnily enough, color has never been an issue between myself and any woman of color I have dated. Only the people on the outside who seem to know what is best for everyone else have a problem.

It is hard enough to find a good girl..... regardless of color.

Whatever the color of the woman I marry, I will take good care of her....

~Face

Well I want to say that my father is caucasion and my mother is from El Salvador, I tried reading through this whole thread but after page 7 i said F-it.
Now while my mother Does have indian ancestry, I am curious as why hispanics are considered Non-white?

People do realize that south america was Populated by Europeans along with north america right? Are you all not understanding the difference between ethnicity and race? I mean people have the idea ingraned into their heads just because they don't speak english down south that they are a different race or mixed race?!?!?

the majority of people in those countries are as mixed as americans are. NE wayz i just wanted to get that out there,and let people think about it. How bad is the labeling when one caucasion looks at another and marks them as a totally different race just because of the languange and ethnicity?

personally i'm glad i'm mixed, and race shouldn't matter unless you make it matter, growing up I have had white people look at me and tell me i'm hispanic, and i've had latino's look at me and tell me i'm white.

I'm happy that my ethnic identity didn't tell me who I was supposed to be or not to be in life, some people tell me its sad that i don't have a race that i identify with, but to be honest, As long as i have loving friends and family i'm ALL GOOD! Because it's them i identify with, It's their accomplishments that give me strength, its my past with them that i look to when i need to remember where i came from.

Whats the big deal anyway?

We all get drunk at parties no matter what race we are


We all dance like idiots when we drink too much

We all drool over a beautiful woman no matter her heritage

And we all get scalded by our girlfriends when we get caught looking at that beautiful girl

Having been w/ black men, asian men, pakistani men, and Indian men I can seriously say they're all the same on the inside. It's the person and their heart that should be judged, we're all after the same things in life, we all want to lead a full happy, some of us exciting life, but we all eventually want to settle down have a family of our own, and it shouldn't matter what color person you decide to settle w/, because all colors bring the same thing to the table, it's personalities that make the difference, good or bad. Skin color is like judging a book by it's cover... Crusader i'm assuming that you are admitting you are racist? I'm not going to get mad at you for that because I don't totally understand 'why' you hold those beliefs... I do know that while people are raised their parents inject their own kind of authentic branding when it comes to social issues, sadly, it appears they may have done a number on your thought process when it comes to interacial dating and living side by side other people of color.

Crusader i'm assuming that you are admitting you are racist? I'm not going to get mad at you for that because I don't totally understand 'why' you hold those beliefs... I do know that while people are raised their parents inject their own kind of authentic branding when it comes to social issues, sadly, it appears they may have done a number on your thought process when it comes to interacial dating and living side by side other people of color.

NO! My parents had nothing to do with what are my beliefs are, and they still are not. I am 22. young black male, independent, both spiritually, economically, and everything else that make up a whole being.. What i do know, I have learnt alot about life, history, current trends, and all that, So i am allround person, but as the saying goes: Change with the times but Still hold to your principals. Which is only right as far as intermarrying is concern. Oh yes I see it as a threat, and another tool, to dilute races. Here's what when you disreagrad your own race, and go with another race, you are completely disowning your mother and ethnicity. because there are many good people in your race, take time to find one.

Originally posted by crusader
Change with the times but Still hold to your principals. Which is only right as far as intermarrying is concern. Oh yes I see it as a threat, and another tool, to dilute races. Here's what when you disreagrad your own race, and go with another race, you are completely disowning your mother and ethnicity. because there are many good people in your race, take time to find one.

That doesn't mean your disowning your mother and ethnicity, that's a perspective of which drives your beliefs. Everybody has their own personal truth and I can't down you for thinking that, it's just such a shame that you think that way, and can't see people for who they are, there spirit ect. You say your very spiritual but how can you be if you see color first? You want to isolate yourself from everybody but your own race, America is a melting pot full of people from around the world, sooner or later american's are going to be diluted and mixed with various races, I see nothing wrong with that. 50 years ago, people who saw a molado child gasped at the sight of an off white baby, they feared it would get made fun of ect. Do you really want to endorse those kinds of beliefs?

Who cares if it's molado, two people came together out of love, wanted a family together so they did. Love will conquer all as the saying goes, you can't stop stop different races from falling in love, and in fact I see this as such a good thing, it tells me we are moving forward, stepping out of the box of racism, coming together and willing ot share our lives together despite our backrounds, different cultures inter-mixed, thats so authentic, genuine, and special, and the symbolism in that brings a smile to my face. Don't you think thats a beautiful thing?
You dont think your racist but your idea's are peppered w/ them.

Don't you think thats a beautiful thing?

no I don't think so: here's why:


The plot to dilute, mix, miscegenate and eliminate the Black population of the U.S. by using all types of schemes is no different from the very same scheme being used by the Spaniards to eliminate the Black Moors from Iberia during the time of Columbus and afterward or the oppression of blacks and destruction caused by, the present settler class of Spanish, Portugese and other European invader and settler racial background in Latin America.

The promotion of "multiracialism" among Blacks who are oppressed primarily based on their African background and race cannot be solved by rejecting the Black race, the first race on this planet and the most universal since protohistoric times. The purpose of the 'multiracial" category being pushed by conservo-racists, the very same element who have been working to take away the rights of Blacks in the U.S., and supported racist regimes oppressing Blacks in foreign lands is to
dilute the Black population and eliminate a potential voting block against their racist ideas and policies. Thus they can use "multiracials" as a wedge and knife in the sides of Black people as
well as continually oppress the multiracials who would not be backed by any nation on earth...nor by Blacks in the U.S. Their fate would be similar to that of the "Coloreds" of South Africa who were elevated to a high position and contributed to the oppression of Blacks in South Africa. Now that Blacks are in control of South Africa, the Coloreds are concerned about being marginalized. The same can happen to those Blacks who choose the 'multiracial" category. Discrimination against them will become worse and they will have no one on their side, nor will any nation on earth recognize them as any distinct, ethnic or racial group. After all, there are one billion, seven hundred million Negroid/Black people worldwide. They are recognized as a distinct race even if there is a small amount of foreign blood in a very few. There is no "Multiracialland," nor any multiracial race on this planet who would back multiracial people in the U.S. when America's racist society descides to oppress them.

Originally posted by crusader
There is no "Multiracialland," nor any multiracial race on this planet who would back multiracial people in the U.S. when America's racist society descides to oppress them.

Holy shtballs, you think there is a giant conspiracy out there plotted against black people don't you?

Well, I cannot reason with that as the plot and ideas are much more deeper and well thought out then I could imagine.

Peronally I don't believe there is a conspiracy against blacks, I do believe in the past the white us government wanted to keep them segregated, I do know that when black people were murdered back then there was no justice for along time and I find that totally disgusting. And the white led us government full of white men may still be somewhat like that, I do know some white people think if black's got in charge of mostly everything they would ruin it because a white men built it and black people hate white people so why not destroy it? It's a freakin stinky mess and perhaps there is some truth to your conspiracy theory, as I haven't been informed on the whole plot against blacks, I do know there was the abortion states that made it impossible for black women to have children because they were deemed undesirables. I don't know what else to tell you.

Apart from government conspiracies, common folks who date other races just do so because they fell in love and don't care about color.

I've never been a fan of the government dem or republican because they are full of lying aholes, they all have an agenda to carry out, and they all don't mind screwing people over, white, black, mexican, whatever...

And apart from believing in your conspiracy theory, I still dont' understand why you can't live side by side w/ other colored people and go about your life as if color wasn't an issue, because once again, we're all here to make the world a better place, we're all here and we all might as well get along until we die, because we all will one day, and there is no point in going about your life filled with disdain for another kind of people.

And apart from believing in your conspiracy theory, I still dont' understand why you can't live side by side w/ other colored people and go about your life as if color wasn't an issue, because once again, we're all here to make the world a better place, we're all here and we all might as well get along until we die, because we all will one day, and there is no point in going about your life filled with disdain for another kind of people.

Hmm............ Side by Side, I do live side by side, But still that doesn't mean I have to date or marry them.

I have no white friends, does that make me racist?

Why do you think blacks hate Whites? Find out yourself

Originally posted by crusader
I am 22. young

And with that information coming to light, I depart from this thread.

I thought i had it all figured out when I was that young as well.....

best of luck.

And with that information coming to light, I depart from this thread.

Uhh you had it figured out? Oui. i never said I had it all figured out , i am just stating my beliefs which I believe is Correct. (I am not saying everyone else is garbage)

But the poll and the general sentiment rules against this poll, and declares it null and void

crusader

This is ATS....and you know better than to pull the CONSPIRACY card and not support your claims with links, statistics, "proof", some kind of evidence, at least something other than a simple claim that the white man is out to dilute the black race.

where's it at?

r/s
sporty

Well, as a grand prosecuto I have the evidence, I am just like a grand prosecutor , gathering my files everyday..

I know I'm terribly late for this thread, but I thought I'd toss my two cents in anyway.

I am a young, black woman - just a year older than the orignal poster. The OP, has his right to his own preferences, but to say you will not marry a non-black person because of her races is crazy. You marry for love, not to carry on your race.

Now, this is from my own expereinces, I'm not aiming this at the OP. Most guys and girls I know say that they may not date a white girl but they are very closed minded people who don't travel out of their own neighborhoods. They don't try to even learn a little bit about any other culture and hardly ever want to meet anyone of another culture. I think that is very closed-mined.

I enjoy people and I find attractive people of any race. My sister is engaged to a Spanish man and they have the most beautiful baby girl I've ever seen. I've dated outside my race and inside it. It doesn't matter because I'm blind to that. I know the phrase is extremely played out but its accurate to this: We are all apart of one race - the Human Race.

enjoy people and I find attractive people of any race. My sister is engaged to a Spanish man and they have the most beautiful baby girl I've ever seen. I've dated outside my race and inside it. It doesn't matter because I'm blind to that. I know the phrase is extremely played out but its accurate to this: We are all apart of one race - the Human Race.

That's a bit naieve.... Being blind to it. But sister when it comes to settling down, yes you should choose to find love within your own race.. The most beautiful gir? Since when under the heavens that people get the notion that you can only get a beautiful child , when you race mix? That's foolishness!

Originally posted by crusader

enjoy people and I find attractive people of any race. My sister is engaged to a Spanish man and they have the most beautiful baby girl I've ever seen. I've dated outside my race and inside it. It doesn't matter because I'm blind to that. I know the phrase is extremely played out but its accurate to this: We are all apart of one race - the Human Race.

That's a bit naieve.... Being blind to it. But sister when it comes to settling down, yes you should choose to find love within your own race.. The most beautiful gir? Since when under the heavens that people get the notion that you can only get a beautiful child , when you race mix? That's foolishness!

Now, you are putting word in my mouth! I never said that the baby was cute because she was mixed. I was saying that she was a cute baby. She's a product of two people who came together, not caring about race.

Also, like I said. My race is the Human race. I'm not going to narrow down my choices by restricting myself to only blacks guys.

Now, you are putting word in my mouth! I never said that the baby was cute because she was mixed. I was saying that she was a cute baby. She's a product of two people who came together, not caring about race.

That's good for you, if you are not only restricting yourself to your race only, it just goes to show your self hatred, whether you are black or white. Uhh maybe you are not even black at all? maybe you are some mixed breed, or whitey,? Not so? Anyway, I am totally aginst mixing , I don't date outside my species. Besides It's not cool dating other people.

Originally posted by crusader

Now, you are putting word in my mouth! I never said that the baby was cute because she was mixed. I was saying that she was a cute baby. She's a product of two people who came together, not caring about race.

That's good for you, if you are not only restricting yourself to your race only, it just goes to show your self hatred, whether you are black or white. Uhh maybe you are not even black at all? maybe you are some mixed breed, or whitey,? Not so? Anyway, I am totally aginst mixing , I don't date outside my species. Besides It's not cool dating other people.

You talk about foolishness. That has the be the most foolish thing I've ever heard. I'm going to say this and then I'm done, because honestly from reading some of your replies. I think you are just saying anything to drag out this thread and boost your post count.

I am a black woman with a lots of pride in myself and my race. Other than those two or three posts I've made in this thread about relationships, you know nothing about me, or what I do and have done in the black community. Pretty much you don't know me and untill you do, I don't want you to talk to me about self-hatred. Speaking of which, do you even do even give back to the community that you wish to "keep pure"?

Also, you called yourself a species. And earlier, you made analogy using cats and dogs. Last time I checked black people and white people are of the same species.

You talk about foolishness. That has the be the most foolish thing I've ever heard. I'm going to say this and then I'm done, because honestly from reading some of your replies. I think you are just saying anything to drag out this thread and boost your post count.

What nonsensical intellectual spitfire garbage are spilling out? Why would I want to boost my ATS points? Do you know why I post? Steups? Have you seen what I do with my points? Have you ever heard me complain about my points being taken away?

Back to the topic, I do give back to my community ONLY. yes I may not have the time to spend with my fellow peers, but i contribute in whatevr way I can. Blacks and whites are not the same species madam. from the last time I check, we are two diffrent races, and will remain so. you see, sista, you are trapped in what you called a never ending cycle of mental slavery, bitching about, evryone is one and all that. when they are beating the poor out of us like dogs, do u care, Oh no!
You don't. & I repeat, you are not a full blooded sista..

Marriage is an important, if not the most important descision u gonna make in your life. And bringing forth children, who look like you, and not mixed race is also another important descision.

so crusader,
by your own argument, you (third person) are a racist is you do not support inter-racial dating
and you hate your own race because of that.
very nice.
from the last few pages that I have read of this thread, you have aptly demonstrated your predjudism.