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"Yes we will face chemical weapons. It is not a question of if, it's a question of when. We know he has already devolved the decision to commanders, and that means he has taken the decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack."
Originally posted by Jakomo
Haha, by chemical weapons did he mean coc aine? Because, um, you know, um, ask Hans Blix.
Yes we will face chemical weapons. It is not a question of if, it's a question of when.
Our troops are not the first to enter Iraq after a military victory. In 1917, the British did so as well. General Stanley Maude made a speech to the Iraqi public as he entered Baghdad. In that speech, he told the people of Iraq: “We come to you not as occupiers, but as liberators.” When the British finally left Iraq in 1932, they left behind a cemetery with the remains of 33,000 British soldiers buried there. Most of those were killed at the hands of a vicious insurgency determined to rid the homeland of foreign troops. History is there for us to learn from rather than repeat.
Continued....
Originally posted by ArchAngel
The Iraqis have heard that line before.
After the occupiers killed hundreds of thousands of people, including gassing tens of thousands of Kurds before finally imposing a Puppet Monarch to rule for them they withdrew.
It was not until they overthrew the imposed puppet King, and the following voids in the power vacuum that the Iraqis were finally were liberated, and they ended up with Saddam.
Love him, or hate him he was the only legitimate ruler they have had in a very long time.
Iraq is not Liberated until America leaves with all of its influence.
[edit on 12-10-2005 by ArchAngel]
Originally posted by devilwasp
A) We are talking about this man not iraq, you want to complain about the war go back the numerous threads you've made and the other threads already created.
B) We are talking about an ex BRITISH officer of her majesty's army, not about an american officer but a british one.
C) You want to talk about whether or not iraq is liberated as I said go back to a different thread, not this one.
Oh and D) Can we please continue this "murder is legal" in U2U.
Originally posted by Uncle Joe
And it seems a shame that someone who could be so convinced by the case for war could later come to beleive he was wrong.
Originally posted by IAF101
Originally posted by Uncle Joe
And it seems a shame that someone who could be so convinced by the case for war could later come to beleive he was wrong.
He never believed anything of the sort!
From wikipedia :
"In January 2004, Collins announced his resignation from the army, citing bureaucracy, chronic underfunding, and the MoD's lack of support over the mistreatment allegations."
He believed in the war he fought but hated the malice and the slander dished out by the Sunday mail and the Mirror. Both these "tabloids" make great effort to discredit good brave soldiers like TIM COLLINS and because of the antipathy at home to the war did he resign.
Originally posted by Uncle Joe
Again from Wikipedia (same article, about three lines later)
He has recently been critical of the Iraq war: "the UK and US pour blood and treasure into overseas campaigns which seem to have no ending and no goal ... Clearly I was naive"
Perhaps not a total change of mind i admit, but certainly a significant shift.
Originally posted by ArchAngel
The man is talking about Iraq, and nearly repeating what the british said of 80 years ago when they last occupied Iraq.
It is relavant, and on topic.
I understand that.
What did you expect to talk about in a thread titled "We go to liberate, not to conquer"?
And don't bother telling me to go anywhere after all the spam you posted in my threads.
Maybe you are confusing me for someone else. I have not ever received any U2Us from anyone on that subjuect, let alone you....
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
"We came to liberate not to conquer"
Yeah, hitler said the same thing.
Why can't people learn from history
[edit on 15-10-2005 by Syrian Sister]
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
They used nazi like rhetoric.
''This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere... — were not, as some assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."--Rudolf Hoess, SS commandant, Auschwitz.''
Just a few bad eggs wasn't it, not at all systematic?
Joseph Gobells would be proud.
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the whole quote
observer.guardian.co.uk...
"We go to liberate, not to conquer. We are entering Iraq to free a people. Don't treat them as refugees for they are in their own country. Tread lightly there.'
Lt Col Tim Collins addresses 800 men of the Royal Irish Regiment about to invade Iraq"
LOL, he had to remind them it wasn't their country. i hate to think of what would have happened to them if they where refugees. *Shudder*
[edit on 15-10-2005 by Syrian Sister]