Originally posted by Crakeur
unfortunately, you are now trying to pick apart the sarcasm in my responses.
no will always be the answer because I don't believe in the the conspiracy.
It's hard to tell what is sarcasm and when you're serious! And there is no need to ever believe anything, belief never EVER leads to truth. Never
believe, never assume. Seek evidence, and think critically. There is no proof for anything, so you won't find absolute proof. But there is plenty of
evidence which, when taken together, draws a highly probable picture.
trying to compare how I am happy with my life with nazis and slaves is real appropriate. I am my own master thank you very much (well, the wife is
but you know how that is).
My point is not to compare you to nazis, slaves, or hampsters directly. It is to point out that being happy and THINKING that you are in control does
not mean that you truly are in control, or that your happiness is not merely a result of a lack of knowledge of objective reality, which may be
entirely different than how you may perceive the world. For example, chickens in chicken farms aren't aware of them being essentially slaves in an
enclosed farm bred to be killed and eaten. Many Americans aren't aware that their own government, with the assitance of Israeli government, created
false terror groups like Al Qaeda and was responsible for 911 attack on its own people to *drumroll* further the agenda of certain shadow elite for
our planet. Though at their level, our government simply did the bidding of Israel.
And again my point is, it is easy thinking that you are free and to be happy and all the while not seeing reality as it is. If those same people who
think our country is a democracy, our government is just and good, and our country was attacked by foreign terrorists realised all these things are
complete frabrications, and their entire lives were a lie, all that they did was out of the belief for this life - would they still think themselves
just as free, and would they be just as happy?
For all you know I could be wealthy and powerful beyond yourwildest dreams let alone my own.
I could also be working 4 jobs and still barely have enough money to feed my family. whatever the case, I put myself there and I accept that. there
is no external forces nudging me one way or blocking another way. rather than constantly blame others for their shortcomings, people should try
staring in the mirror instead.
Ah but your assumption (not sarcasm I hope) is that the only reason people think that there exists a shadowy power that controls the world is because
they want to evade responsibility for their own condition, and want someone to blame for their problems. I agree, that is often the case. But to
assume that this is the case ALL the time is a terrible mistake, and is simply untrue. Although you have a valid point, don't let it blind you to the
It is the same as saying that everyone who suspects their government of lying to them is simply politically biased because the guy they voted for did
not get the job, so they try to make the current administration look bad because they are upset. Again, this may be true in some cases, but to assume
it is true for ALL cases is a huge mistake. And yet many people do make that assumption in order to avoid facing the scary possibility that they may
very well be right. It's often easier to believe a comfortable lie than consider an uncomfortable potential truth.
Similarly, I can tell you that I am perfectly content with my situation in life, and yet I can clearly see a global conspiracy that goes beyond what
even most conspiracy theorists assume exists. And I do know that this administration is consistantly lying to its people, and I did not have a
preference for which "party" to be in office, because once again, I realise that it makes very little difference.
But please, don't let yourself be persuaded or convinced by me or anyone else! That won't help you see any better, anyone can believe anything, it
doesn't help them KNOW anything though. Do your research and try to think without assumptions or "sacred cows". Without expectations or beliefs or
preconceptions. Drop everything you know or think you know about the NWO, and start from scratch. It'll take time and effort, and a LOT of thinking
and connecting the dots. But the picture will emerge and it will begin to be clearer and clearer until such a point where the existance of a "shadow
government" that pulls the strings will be undeniable. And you won't be paranoid, or just looking for someone to blame - you'll simply be seeing a
very unpleasant reality. But if at any point you simply make up your mind, you'll have abandoned the road to truth. Maybe I am wrong, but simply
based on what I know and see, I simply assign a very high probability that the reality I described is at least very close to what really exists. I can
never be certain, and that's the beauty and the reality of seeking answers - there are no absolute certainties, only probabilities based on evidence,
based on your understanding of humanity and the world, objectively.
It is not at all easy to see it at first, just as it was nearly impossible for German people to see the Nazi party for what it truly was. And those
few who did see it, were ridiculed, made fun of, and later persecuted. So is it not naive of us today to assume that although the entire nation of
Germany (and historically other nations) were so easily fooled, including the rest of the world, that NOW we would just see through such lies? I think
it would be extremely naive, it would be wishful thinking at BEST.
And seeing Hitler or Bush as they truly are is not nearly as difficult as it is to see the levels above them pulling the strings. So if so many people
back in Nazi Germany could not see even their own government in its true light due to the massive lies and propaganda, and so many people today cannot
see US government in its true light, what chance is there for these people to see a deeper level that goes far beyond the public administration? Some
people would think that the idea that their government may be lying is a wild conspiracy theory with no evidence. Those who see the lies think that a
higher level than that is a wild conspiracy theory with no evidence. Those who see the workings of the shadow elite think the idea of hyperdimentional
alien forces above that is a crazy crack-pot idea with no evidence. But the truth exists whether people believe it or not, and the evidence becomes
progressively more difficult to see. OF COURSE it won't be obvious, the whole point is to deceive the world, and they do it VERY well.
So all I am saying is, if you TRULY wish to know if there is ANY truth to this, then ask sincerely, have NO assumptions or preconceived notions AT ALL
- and think CRITICALLY and try to see the objective reality as best as you can. Do research. Think. Don't believe anything one way or another.
You ARE ignorant, and so am I, and so is everyone else. Ignorance is relative. We are ALL ignorant relative to someone else, who in turn is ignorant
relative someone else, and so on. The question is though, to what degree are we ignorant, and are we working on stripping ourselves of false beliefs
and deceptive world views that were conditioned believe were true, or are we holding on to them for dear life with no intention to put them to the
test? And yes, it does burn. The more deeply-held beliefs are stripped away and exposed as merely lies, the more it hurts. But as a result you feel
more free and start seeing things more and more objectively, meaning, start approaching reality of how things truly are, instead of how you assumed
they were, or were taught they were.
But anyways, it's upto you. Don't expect the truth on this thread or any other thread, you won't find it. Not because it is not there in parts, but
because even if it is, you won't know it until you do your own research, put in your own effort to figure it out without any sacred cows at all.
Until then you and everyone else will just frequent some conspiracy forums discussing things to death with NO progress being made. Personal effort and
dedication and constant removal of "sacred beliefs" is the only way I know of to learn to see objective reality, or at least come closer to it than
you were before. No one can claim to have the ultimate truth (ok er they can claim, but so can anyone else) - there is ALWAYAS something beyond that
which you already know, always a level deeper. But learning is fun
[edit on 27-10-2005 by lilblam]