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Man whose Web site shows pictures of war dead is arrested

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posted on Oct, 10 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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Man whose Web site shows pictures of war dead is arrested

Saturday, October 8, 2005

BY ANTHONY COLAROSSI
ORLANDO SENTINEL

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Authorities have arrested a Lakeland, Fla., man on obscenity charges after investigating his adult Web site, which has gained international attention for allegedly allowing U.S. soldiers to post pictures of war dead on the Internet.

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While I have no doubt his material was likely tasteless and vile...I also have no doubt that his arrest was politically motivated.

What do you think?




posted on Oct, 10 2005 @ 09:07 AM
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I dont see any evidence what so ever that this was politicly motivated. The ,ilitary wants its people fighting ad staying alive, not takeing gory pictures to get free porn accounts.

[edited big quote, please try to use small quotes, or even none, when making a general response -nygdan]

[edit on 15-10-2005 by Nygdan]



posted on Oct, 10 2005 @ 09:08 AM
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anibody have a link to the website? i like to see grisly war dead along with porn too with it.



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 02:02 PM
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I'll never understand it.

It's okay to GO to war, it's okay to KILL, it's okay to INVADE.

BUT, it is NOT okay to show people what actually HAPPENS to the people who are affected. It's all "ooooh ahhhh" bombs exploding in the distance on CNN or Fox. You see the car on fire in the center of the road, but you don't see the bodies rotting on the highway.


I say they ought to be showing these pictures on the news EVERY DAY.

"Today in Iraq 30 people were killed by an insurgent carbomb. Here is a pile of flesh that appears to have once been a person."

"3 US soldiers were killed today in an ambush, here is a picture of what is left of one of their heads. Notice the look of horror on the boy's young eighteen year old face."

It's the reality of war, and you'd better believe it is exactly what Iraqis see every day. No cutaways. No editing.

So I say show it all, if it makes you squeamish maybe next time you will think about what WAR and INVASION mean. It is not a Made For TV Movie.



jako



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 02:15 PM
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It's the same reason they don't show homicides on TV Jak. Regardless of your ill feelings toward war it's not appropriate to broadcast dead bodies all over the TV just the way it's not appropriate to broadcast a murder that happened down your street or a horrible car crash. Children shouldn't have to be exposed to things like that when their young and people should choose wether or not they want to see it. I don't see any reason for websites not to post these with warnings though. If you want to see death and destruction from war you ought to have the right. Use logic in your thinking instead of biased war views.



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 02:15 PM
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Brilliant Post!! -You have voted Jakomo for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month

[edited big quote -nygdan]

[edit on 15-10-2005 by Nygdan]



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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rstik:

Regardless of your ill feelings toward war it's not appropriate to broadcast dead bodies all over the TV just the way it's not appropriate to broadcast a murder that happened down your street or a horrible car crash. Children shouldn't have to be exposed to things like that when their young and people should choose wether or not they want to see it.


WHY is it not appropriate? People's heads explode when you shoot them there. People burn to death in their vehicles when you fire a rocket at them. Grown men sob to their mothers when they are dying. People soil themselves at the moment of death, filling their pants with feces and urine.

Children SHOULD be exposed to this. They SHOULD know what war is about. Anything less is LYING TO THEM.

You DON'T get to choose what you want to see. NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, all cannot show dead bodies. So you have NO CHOICE, actually.

If you want to go to War, you should know the consequences.


If you don't want your children to SEE the horrors of war on TV, then why do you think it's fine to let a whole other country LIVE the horrors of war on their city streets?

War is terrible and bloody and if you don't want to subject your own population to the IMAGES of it, then why in the hell do you support it when it is HAPPENING to others in your name? That sounds to me like the ultimate arrogance.


jako



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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You still didn't understand why they don't show these things that happen in our own countries? We have murder, death, rape, car wrecks and everything you just mentioned happening in our own backyards. Are you advocating showing these things too? Hey Billy your mom just got shot to death by a crackhead here is a picture of it on TV wanna see? Get real man like I said your biased view on this war drives your opinions.

I know you don't understand much because your from Canada and all, but we've been involved in wars since our independence. You can explain war to someone without showing them graphic images of it. "Why don't you go show your kids a XXX porno when little Billy asks what was that noise last night Dad? Oh here son, no holds barred, you want the graphic truth son watch this porno that is what daddy was doing!" Like I said get real. It's real easy to take shots when it's not your country being threated and attacked by terrorists. We'll see if your tune changes when Montreal is blown to hell and France (I mean Canada) has to make a stand.



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by rstrik


I know you don't understand much because your from Canada and all, but we've been involved in wars since our independence.


Come on, now... Can we grow up here a bit? There is no better way to announce you have nothing of relevance to add to your argument than by lashing out with playground insults. (And normally I wouldn't ridicule someone's apparent difficulty with English because it might not be their first language, but since you are a proud and boastful American, you might not want to use poor grammar when arrogantly speaking for all of us and insulting someone's country of origin.)

The argument is simple. Showing those photographs would erode support for the war, and THAT is why they are censored. All governments engage in propaganda, and the SUPPRESSION of information when it suits their purpose. It has nothing to do with some fatherly idealistic need to shelter us from the evils of the world because we are so delicate and sensitive. That's just an excuse.

If you don't want your children to see war, don't make war. If you can't avoid it for their sake, they still have the right to know and to learn, otherwise we'll be blowing each other up until the end of (our) time.

If those pictures were held back in the public's interest, we wouldn't have any violence on TV, right? Might mess us up or something if we see it. Well, it's all over the place, glorified and back-lit. We drink it up in this country and salivate for more... We are completely desensitized to it, but that would end really fast if it were made real for us by a photograph of someone we know that was blown to bits or maimed beyond recognition.

Suppression of information, no matter what the blithering humanitarian rationalization for it might be, goes against everything we revolted against in the first place in those wars you're so proud of.

Keeping ourselves ignorant only serves to make it easier for them to get away with lies. Lies are more damaging to children than the truth.





[edit on 12-10-2005 by LucyStoner76]



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 08:48 PM
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It is about human dignity and respect for the fallen, regardless of whether they fought for or against "you." Personally, I don't want to see it. I would not think to violate another's right to see it other than the fact that it violates the rights of the fallen whom are depicted. Sanctity of death is but one of the concerns.



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 08:59 PM
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I heard about it somewhere, and saw it.
Don't want to see it again.
War is still war, it hasn't changed.
Once you've been there, you pretty much don't want to go back again.
Part of Honour is to honour the fallen.
Both sides in battle honour the fallen of both sides.
(I know, that often doesn't work out that way)

Maybe it was the picture of the suicide bomber's face in the bottom of a bucket....



posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 09:45 PM
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When Viet Nam was happening, the nightly news was bloody, brutal and nothing seemed to be held back. People saw it all. That helped, in no small way, to make the anti war movement as powerful as it became. I don't think any government would be willing to take that chance again if they have forces in the field of battle, especially during long engagements. The 'embedded' reporters of the Kuwait war were a direct result of Viet Nam.

Now, the images which we do see on television (the history channel or the military channel, to name just a couple) are in many ways as brutal as anything you'd see currently happening in Iraq. I've seen the gassed Kurd villagers that Saddam had killed, the wracked bodies of children starved to death in concentration camps like Buchenwald. I've seen the bodies of men, women and children hacked to death while hiding in a church in Rwanda. The list is endless. These images are real and your children see it and know it is.

And that's just the real stuff...Hollywood has made some truly gory splatter movies. I watched 'Kingdom of Heaven' tonight and can promise lots of beheadings,blood and butchery on a grand scale if you haven't seen it yet. Great movie, BTW.

The point is that children are exposed to the horrors of war, more so than ever before. I doubt there is an 18 year old in America who thinks that war is all honour and glory. They understand what joining the army is all about and do so in spite of what they may face.

The point of this thread was about some guy in Lakeland Florida charged with 300 counts of providing obscene material involving 'non-normal' sexual content as well as 'grisly images' of war dead. Good, let him pay the fine for the porno.

As far as the grisly war dead pictures, I can't really fathom why anyone would want to view them, much less force them on children. They'll be seeing them on the history channel before long anyways. What's the rush?

Bottom line...IMO...that man is a cretin who gets his jollies on blood and gore and was making cash off selling it. *ugh*
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PS...don't worry, rstrik, Canadians have had their allotment of war dead. The veterans still living will tell you all about it. Not all of Canada is French either, you know, the British are here, other nationalities by the dozens, and Native Americans are everywhere. Nice place...you should visit. We speak english too.



posted on Oct, 14 2005 @ 09:10 PM
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*SNIP* Thats the site name it won't work because of filters in here, so just delete the underscore.

Hehe thats the website they are talking about.

Another site
*snip*
Its all about the 1st amendment, FREE SPEECH.

[edit on 14-10-2005 by Harvestfreak]

Mod Edit: Site links removed. Links to adult content are not allowed per the terms & conditions.

[edit on 20-10-2005 by ZeddicusZulZorander]



posted on Oct, 14 2005 @ 09:33 PM
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you think they want kids to see war? not a chance. all kids see is the movies where they are heros and the good guys dont die. everything in war is made out to be glorious. why you ask? this is why, because if they showed real war, kids wouldnt be signing up to go die. they'd realize whats really goin down. wouldnt be anybody to fight they wars then, would there.

if you aint willin to show your country what they are being represented as, chances are, you shouldnt be doing it.



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 02:09 AM
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rstrik,

I am embarassed FOR you, to call yourself an American...first for lashing out at the canadians, then saying that JAKO doesnt understand?
Seems to me that YOU have absolutely no cognizance whatsoever of the REAL effects of war. Or perhaps youre one of the "i served my country for 15 years" veterans who never saw an ounce of combat, then proclaiming that youre a seasoned veteran.
Whatever the case, Jako is right on the money...LET your kids see WAR...anything but the reality of it in their eyes is lying to them.
We protect our childrens eyes from reality, then when faced with reality they have no idea how to react to it? Makes a whole lot of sense


I dont recall who the poster was, but in one of the replies was something to the effect of "respect for the deceased"? Please give me a break...thats whats at the heart of the debate here...the deceased themselves would be immeasurably reduced if not eliminated if the children or next generation enlistees COULD see just how horrible war really is. But, us, being the warmonger, greed driven, conquering personalities that we are cant let THAT happen now can we? I mean, if we did, what would there be left to conquer? Who would there be left to let suffer while we DO drive our BMW's?



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 06:20 AM
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NIMBY-LAND: Too many suffer from a disconnected, politically correct, push button, Taco Bell reality and it's collapsing society as a whole. War wrapped up as entertainment, what a crock! Welcome to the market forces of military propaganda, were they will sell you a rope to hang yourself and make it look like a day with the Teletubbies.

Oh please don't show it to the kiddies, then war is okay. Meanwhile on the otherside of the globe, kids are living in a state of fear with heads shot off, limbs blown apart, and the guts are a flying...such a load of stinking hypocrisy to say don't let our kids watch war, but let the enemy's kids play and die in it.

War should be made known and experienced as the hell of hells, where eyes bleed in agony seeing such horrors of destruction that erases the efforts of human labor. The whole country should be made to suffer, if they are so bold to decide upon a war. In your face reality. You can't swallow it? You can't handle the truth? You can't see it and feel it for you and your family? Then don't decide on war!

Serve it raw, uncut in a bloody pool of bile and guts...we need some trauma to get over the bloodlust.

Aversion therapy for all....vomit til ya drop, then we shall see who really wants war, destruction and chaos!













[edit on 15-10-2005 by Regenmacher]



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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it should be u watch those images on TV, u watch your fellow americans go in a car bomb or getting shot to hell, and u burn those images deep into your memory. you make damn sure u remember them because you are responcible for it. its your support thats at fault

dont give me that"o but i dont support the war" BS thats a load of garbage. if you are an american citizen with all your freedoms (meaning you are over 18 or 21 depending on how you wanna look at it, but i say over 18) then you are at fault just as much as the warmonger next door. why? because if you are truely fully against it then youd go out and do something. you show how much you care by how much your willing to do.

over half the countries against the war but i only see a small percent that actually proves it. the rest of you are just as bad as the next warmonger. reguardless of weather you voted bush or if you support the war, you are just as bad. and i blame all of you that go to work daily and just say stuff like "im so sick of this war, something needs to be done" and then friday rolls around and your at the movies, saturday rolls around and your shopping. not giving it a second thought then because you show how much you REALLY care. i blame you.

[edit on 15-10-2005 by grimreaper797]



posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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It's a political move by the republicans, what else is new? And here come the republicans! "No it's not! They were taken down because, uh, shut up!"

Republicans go back to your Bush shrines and let the people who don't worship oil for blood talk.



posted on Oct, 20 2005 @ 01:03 PM
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rstrik:

You still didn't understand why they don't show these things that happen in our own countries? We have murder, death, rape, car wrecks and everything you just mentioned happening in our own backyards. Are you advocating showing these things too? Hey Billy your mom just got shot to death by a crackhead here is a picture of it on TV wanna see? Get real man like I said your biased view on this war drives your opinions.


In certain cases, absolutely. If you want people to know what might happen to them if they drive drunk, maybe you want to show them a video of some idiot driving drunk into a median and flying out of the car and impaling himself on a post. Maybe that'll get people to actually SEE the results of their (in)action. As to showing rapes and murders, what point would that serve?

I am talking about showing the reality of a situation in order to get people to understand it better. People have a visceral understanding of the act and consequences of rape, they don't need to be shown it in order to fully realize the implications. Ditto for random murders.


I know you don't understand much because your from Canada and all, but we've been involved in wars since our independence.


I know more about the wars you've been involved in than you do, probably, and I will wager that what you DON'T know about Canada could fill the Great Lakes, so I'll let that one go.



You can explain war to someone without showing them graphic images of it. "Why don't you go show your kids a XXX porno when little Billy asks what was that noise last night Dad? Oh here son, no holds barred, you want the graphic truth son watch this porno that is what daddy was doing!" Like I said get real.

When little Billy asks what you were doing to Mommy last night, it's up to you to decide how to explain it. It's sex, man, what the hell is the big deal? No, I am not going to show my kid a video of me having sex with his mother because it's a private, intimate moment that I don't want to share.

But if he asks and he's old enough, I'll tell him. Like I said, it's sex. Big deal.


It's real easy to take shots when it's not your country being threated and attacked by terrorists.


? Because Canada has not been directly threatened by terrorists I cannot comment on war? Please explain.


We'll see if your tune changes when Montreal is blown to hell and France (I mean Canada) has to make a stand.


It won't change.

People SHOULD see the results of war. As taxpayers, you are PAYING for the ammunition, the ordnance, the body armor.

Isn't it your right to know that the missile your taxdollars paid for actually hit a SCHOOL in Iraq and blew apart 30 children?

I LOVE hearing in the media how the US is using "precision strikes". That their bombs are more accurate than they've EVER been.

Maybe people need to see what happens when you ACCURATELY drop a 3,000-POUND BOMB on a house in an urban area. Maybe they need to see that everything in a 300 metre radius is shredded. Bone, flesh, stone, brick. That the accuracy of the strike is totally negated by the massive payload. That the bomblets don't home in on bad guys, that they go through anything, whether it's guilty or innocent, 9 years old or 90.

Because my bet is a lot of people think of a Hollywood movie when they think of it. A Michael Bay/ James Cameron explosion like in the movies. Where there's exciting music playing, and the good guys miraculously escape the shrapnel and the bad guys tumble head over heels in the air.

You never see the gory, realistic aftermath. The heros escape and roll credits.

Well, there ain't no credits, no music, no cool stunts.

There is death, destruction, and the worst traits of humanity on display.

It's nice that you support your country, but to support war, for any reason, is, in my view, ignorant and arrogant.


jako



posted on Oct, 20 2005 @ 01:28 PM
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Agreed...let's stop lying to the children right now! Kids learn by example and lying to them on a daily basis only turns them into compulsive liers.

First area of business - sorry Charlie...nope, no Santa Clause, it's just us lying to you so you do what we say. Sorry.

peace

[edit on 20-10-2005 by StickyG]







 
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