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Originally posted by Jakomo
cjf:
“Pretty simple?” Based upon........
Rather more of an ‘oversimplified’ statement on your behalf.
If you're for war you ARE for fascism.
Originally posted by Jakomo
The Webster definition of fascism:
Originally posted by Jakomo
What is the traditional structure of an army, ANY army? A high-ranking General or Supreme Allied Commander or something.
Originally posted by Jakomo
Bear in mind I'm saying if you SUPPORT war in general. I know that sometimes it is necessary (against the Nazis in WWII), but that doesn't mean I like it or support it. It's a necessary evil in the rarest of times, and only comes about because of stupid human pride and arrogance.
Originally posted by Jakomo
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and that would have been far less horrific if only Chamberlain had used his damn brain.
Originally posted by devilwasp
I support the war because it was the right course of action to take, sometimes the right call isnt the right call.
If the lads die I'm sorry for them I feel angry against those that killed them but I still support what they fight for and what they believe in.
Yet again , you going to stay on topic or just keep trying to insult my country and PM?
He's not a lap dog, I am no fan of blair but he is not a lap dog.
I wonder if kuwait was taken by force by a military dictatorship several weeks before sadamm invaded.
Yugoslavia?
Why? How? Are you doing this on purpose or are you tangenting for no reason?
Thats the point , we have the capability, but we havnt.
She actually works for a company that does work for both the MOD and several civilian companies, does "knowing" the MOD make one"tainted"?
Yeah , IMO your opnions quite badly put together since your trying to formulate who or what drives/drove me to supporting the military with out even knowing me but that is after all just my opinion.
Yet again, its just another weapon, go to any battle site where mines where involved and most likely you'll find them. But ofcourse as you pointed out, its a numbers game isnt it?
If they where shot at the men would move away from the civilians on foot if needed, its the enemy thats not takeing care to shoot at civilians.
Yeah they are done by SF teams, not intel agencies.
If they wanted to assasinate someone they would use a third party, not directly approach someone, thats political and military suicide.
You know I have read about 3 navy news about the war in iraq and they never preached any "hate" to terrorists", It mostly reports about drug runs and sporting events. But heh ofcourse they are still the bad guys and rapists..
All of whoo?????
We do hate what our past govs have done to our great navy and empire but heh, they dont want to live with us fair enough.
BTW, we are no lap dog to the US.
Its about NETHIER, this is simply because you dislike DU, not because its a bad weapon just because YOU dislike IT.
Look up napalm, and tell me thats a "nice" weapon.
I hate it..
No they dont.
You done yet and going to get back on topic or just want me to be beheaded yet?
Originally posted by cjf
Fascism (this apparently dirty assignable word) pertains to ‘party’ platform, political ‘beliefs’ structure and . ...elements of governments as well as extra-political influences etc.
The 'definition' is far to broad to pin as a 'negative' and casts to wide of a splash.
'Fascist' is an overused term, to wit These '14 points of Fascism' by L. Britt 'floating around' is far over used and is plagerized bunk written to fit an audience and has no academic basis.
Originally posted by Souljah
The good old Beheading story - is that like the last resort of a military fan, when they run out of reasons to spread Hate agains the Muslims, they use beheading? Go to Saudi Arabia and Check out how they practice Sharia Law, and then talk about Terrorists.
Originally posted by IAF101
Oh! Really? So now you are an expert on Sharia Law and Arabic culture?
I have been in Saudi Arabia for nealry 8 years during Desert Storm and I can tell you for a fact beheading's in saudi Arabia is standard punishment. Moreover these beheadings are not in some closed medical facility but very public.
If you expect a fair and proper trial in Saudi arabia then you are surely naive because I can tell you from stay there that it is the most biased form of justice I have ever seen.
Originally posted by Souljah
In one word - Saudi Arabia is a Muslims Fundamentalist Heaven. Even you say that the Beheadings in Saudi Arabia are a standard punishiment. So, how come this state, that hosts such savage laws and upholds them, was NOT attacked after 9-11, when 12 out of 15 hijackers were Saudi,............. How come they were not on the list of targets when US was planning their so-called War on Terror? Sound like Saudi IS the main terror State!
I suggest you read the Book House of Bush, House of Saud and READ it for yourself. While you are horrified by the Laws of Saudi Arabia, your dear president is holding hands with Prince of Saud. Why? Could it be, that they have ENORMOUS ammounts of Oil?
An institution found in Saudi Arabia is the Mutaween, or religious police, also known as the Authority for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.
Originally posted by IAF101
Your saying that your knowledge about America and the War against terrorism is through "documentaries" and books and you have no practical experience about any of which you speak about. Yet you rant on with some sense of perverse authority about the "facts" ?
By using this technique I could say that slovenians are blood thirsty fundamentalist racist christians who perninially mistreat refugees and continue to subjugate women
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Again the Nazi connotations, obviously you do not know what real Nazi's were like, if you did you would think twice before you made such comparisions.
This reference obviously means you are desperate to malign Bush anyway you can without submitting to any form of reason.
If Bush agenda was truly world domination, it would be over already, we wouldnt waste hundreds of American lives trying to secure civilians and the like we would just have nuked the world in one swift and decisive strike with nobody left to complain. But we didnt use nuclear weapons, nor any large scale carpet bombings, these facts prove that Bush has no interest in World domination and it is nothing more than sensationalism and a desperate campaign to malign America and its people.
Really? Is that why the continued presence of America troops is sanctioned by the UN ?
Is that why the US is the largest aid donor in the world?
Is that why USAID and other American aid organizations so widely distributed?
Is that why Africa receives the greatest amount of Aid from the US ?
Most of the people on this planet do support America, it is only a few misguided individuals such as yourself who lack the capacity to understand America's compulsions and its responsibilites who have form the core of the desperatly disgruntled.
Also during the Katrina disaster the international support received by America was also phenominal. Not supprisingly Slovenia has not made any significant contributions help people during the Tsunami.
So I would say, as would any reasonable person that not only does the world support America it also seeks to actively encourage greater American participation in world affairs .
The US military budget is no where near cold war levels, also if your going to ask me why the US military budget is so high I would like to counter that question with another question Why does the Slovenian military spend close to $370 million(2000) for a country so small and so remote ? Especially when the public debt is nearly 31.5% of the GDP ?
I can tell you why the US spends more now than it did in the last decade, it because we are fighting in 2 theaters at once both in Afganistan and Iraq. Also the US is actively engaged in monitoring the world for terrorist activites and seeking to curb nuclear proliferation. Any nation that has two active theaters of conflict is likely to spend more on its military then it usually did.
Again with the Nazi comparisions, you dont know about the Nazi do you ?
What excuses, it was always about Terrorism, when did I ever say it was for anything else ??
Basically, you and your kind want America to walk away from what you consider to be military excess, to be docile and cowardly but that is not the American way! We do not sit about and take an attack on our nation lightly, we respond swiftly and surely to a force that seeks to destroy us just as we did during WW2 against our aggressors and we will do so with all aggressors direct or indirect.
It has been too long that the US has turned a blind eye to the problems of the middle east and central asia and it is due to this that we have partly let the this evil of terrorism spread its tentacles in that region. The US and its coalition seek to put an end to this evil no matter the costs, as no cost is too great for stabiliity and peace.
Obviously you wouldnt understand this sentiment shared by millions of people around the world who are victims of terrorism as you live in some remote corner of an inconsequential nation. Unfortunately all we in the US cannot afford such a luxury and neither can many people who are the victims of terrorism, we have to face up to it and take the bull by its horns. The US and its allies hope to be the vangaurd of this effort to protect humanity from the evil of terrorism and show millions in the middle east a new path where dignity, equality, justice and tolerance are the foundations of a democratic and responsible state.
another thing, it doesnt matter if it was Bush or it was somebody else, any president other would have doen alomost the same things as Bush did with Afganistan and the war on terrorism given the circumstances. You may be under the delusion that Bush is out to get the world but that is not true at all, if you can recall the first days of his presidency most people though of him to be the most carefree president we ever had. It is only after 9/11 did he realize the magnitude of terrorism and its scope and that something had to be done now. Another point I want to make is that Bush had given both the Taliban and Saddam a chance to resolve things peacefully but it THEY that refused to do so and insisted on war, and brought this misery on their people not America. If he were really as blood thirslty as you claim he would not have given them a chance to end it peacefully.
Not that I expect you to know this but all rational people need credible and verifiable PROOF to ascertain something as a FACT without such proof it is nothing more than hearsay and rhetoric.
None of your links comes anywhere close to being called plausible let alone credible hence I dismiss them.
Firstly, Halliburton is a very large company in the US which provides hundreds of people with jobs and thus is a vital part of the economy.
Now comming to Bush's relation ship with Halliburton, as this is America most captains of the industry know the President or some people in the Administration as political parties depend heavily on these people to fund their campaigns, this however does not mean that Bush is conspiring with Halliburton or others to cheat the country.
As you say 'disarmed' she had a weapon and they National Gaurd is well within its rights to disarm anybody who refuses to lower a weapon in New Orleans especially when they have been given shoot to kill orders to resotre order in the city.
What rights of hers were "trampled' ?
My god! This is lame! Sonar is not NEW!! It has been around for more that 60 years!! And sonars do not kill, they merely produce amplified sound that bounces of other objects and is picked up by a receiver and the object is picked up by the sonar. It is very primitive technology!!
Also the Navy truly does not give a damn about the fishes going crazy because of sonar and it shouldnt.
Do you know how much Co2 the oceans absorb, also do you know that plants ABSORB oxygen during the night ?
If all the rain forests are gone their would still be enough vegetation on earth to support life and moreover it isnt merely the plant life that contributes to the production of oxygen.
Unlike Slovenia we cant just throw rocks at Bosnian tanks for 10 days and criticize everybody who does something meaningfull!
Originally posted by Souljah
Whats that supposed to mean: sometimes the right call isnt the right call? I have one word for that: A LIE
, which is what this illegal occupation of Iraq is based upon! And there is another word here: HYPOCHRISY.
Yes he is. Or else he would not sent UK Troops to Iraq, like France or Germany did not. Therefore, he is sucking up to the Bush and will ALWAYS have the Number.2 spot - which means he will ALWAYS have to listen to what Number.1 has to say.
Kuwait was an independant state and was illegally invaded by another armed force. Just like Iraq was. Same story - different Actors.
I belive that United Yugoslavia - thats where I was BORN - was much better then the fragmented states of Balkan we have today. But it was always in the intention of Other European states to destroy united Yugoslavia and make it break apart. Thats why there was around 60 attempts of assassinations against the president Marshal Tito.
What are UK troops doing in downtown Basra?
Getting some Sun tan?
I belive that in the MoD there are several Soldiers working, right?
Therefore, she is in constant contact with the Military. Therefore, she adopts some of the behaviour patterns. Some go playin golf, others play tennins - I guess military personell go to the shooting range.
You play FPS? First Person Shooters, right?
You like shooting and you like the Army and you support the War.
What a Perfect Cadet you will make!
If you survive the Battlefield, with all the weapns and mines and shells and everything - you can go home and live a healthy life, if nothing seriously happend to you and if you were not wounded. BUT if you are inhaling DU dust and are in contact with other DU material - you can go home without any wounds, but will later get SICK, get cancer on Lungs, Liver, Kidneys, Limgs system or Bones.
Thats the SAME right? I wonder what you would say about DU if one of your Soldiers Buddies got sick of the so-called Gulf War Syndrome, and started to loose hair, loose weight, just because he had a growing cancer, caused by the DU?
Yes Ofcourse! OH The noble British Soldiers!
Oh how Chivalrous they are! I think every soldiers does no think about innocent civilans when he is being shot up. Its either HIM or THEM - and everyone will put himself on the first place.
AND Intel Agencies. There are SEVERAL CIA Agents operating in Afganistan, armed and looking like Taliban soldiers, with beards and muslim scarafs around their necks. They are CIA Agents, working in a hostile enviroment, and they conduct Black Ops.
They would send a sniper or set him up with a bomb. Its not like its their First time, you know? Your goverment has assassinated alot of people.
Navy is a part of Armed forces and is under direct command of the MoD.
And I am sure that the MoD does not publish news that would in any way Harm the Navy or the Mod or ANY branch of the Armed Forces. Never!
I have no idea mate - too much Quotes and I really missed the point of this one!
Well if it make you feel better, you can say that you are not.
But I think there is a Love affair going on between your PM and the US president. Maybe thats why he is invited into the Royal Carlyle Group. What a Hon!
JUST ME? Whoa! Now thats rich. I think I am not alone here. The only people I have met that like it, are military personel, ex-military personel, or people who really like the military (like yourself).
Napalm is not pretty either, and how many tons of it were dropped on Iraq?
Yes they do.
Oh yes! The good old Beheading story - is that like the last resort of a military fan, when they run out of reasons to spread Hate agains the Muslims, they use beheading? Go to Saudi Arabia and Check out how they practice Sharia Law, and then talk about Terrorists.