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Originally posted by resistance
Whompa -- Re this verse you put out as a proof above: "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will hear my voice. They will become one flock with one shepherd. John 10:16"
I don't interpret this the same way you do. All this means is that Jesus was going to bring in more sheep into the fold that weren't there yet -- hadn't heard the message yet, weren't born yet, whatever. It's kind of obvious that at that point only a select few were privy to the fact that the Messiah had arrived on Planet Earth. The church expanded by leaps and bounds after Jesus was gone from the scene entirely. (read Acts)
The Apostle and Evangelist John testifies that God's will is for everyone who sees the Son of God to have life eternal, and that the Son of God came and gave us light and understanding to know the true God. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8). When Christ denounces blind Pharisees, He condemns their spiritual blindness to the "Light of the world," that is, Christ, the Messiah.
The Savior has other sheep, "which are not of this fold," whom he must also bring into the sheepfold, that is, into His Church.
The Lord is speaking here of the Gentiles (since Jews living in the diaspora belonged to "their own fold," to Jewish theocratic society).
According to God's well-known determination, the Gentiles also "will hear" Christ's voice, as the prophets foretold (Micah 4:2, Isaiah 2:3 and others), "and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." No longer will barriers separate the Gentiles from the Jews, the chosen people.
The Good Shepherd and His followers will gather everyone, and His work will be done at the end of time in the conversion to Christ of the "faithful remnant" (Isaiah 10:22, Romans 11:25-26).
From the book of Tobiah in the Old Testament, the Archangel Raphael reveals himself to Tobiah by saying: "I will not hide from you the mystery, when you were praying, you and Sarah, I was lifting your prayers to the Holy One … and now God sent me to heal your wounds …I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who lift the prayers of the saints and serve the Throne of the Holy One" (Tobiah 12:12-15).
"And of the angels he saith, whom maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire" (Hebrew 1:7).
From ancient times, it has been a custom of the Church to address the angels by means of prayer. Even during the time of the Old Testament, the Hebrews had on top of the Ark of the Covenant, and later in the Holy of Holies, gold portrayals of Cherubim. The Jews used to pray before them. Between these two images of Cherubim, God spoke to Moses. The angels manifest themselves as bearers of God's holiness; that is why it was commanded to Joshua when he saw an angel, "Remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy" (Exodus 25:18-22; 3 Kings 6:23; Joshua 5:15).
Originally posted by helen670
Whompa1
The existence of life on other planets stems from ALIENS.....beings from outer space.
All the hype on aliens and life on other planets started because of the movies......the movies gave the go ahead for the belief in U.f.o's ....prior to television, there was appearances of entities but they were never seen as 'beings from outer space' , but 'spiritual deception' that were caused by
Originally posted by DaTruth
Sorry your wrong on this one. Cave men drew flying objects and the classic grey. They called them sprits and faries and such because they didn't know any better.
Originally posted by DaTruth
Sorry your wrong on this one. Cave men drew flying objects and the classic grey. They called them sprits and faries and such because they didn't know any better. For instance travlers who went to the america didn't think the indians were humans. Thati s becuase they were ignorant to the fact.
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
Would you please post a link to this? I took a lot of art in college and I have some books on cave paintings and I can say that I have not seen anything that's even remotely a UFO. OR a grey for that matter.
Now, I have seen fakes around and there's some good debunking on this. In fact, one of the common "cave paintings" that is shown is an illustration on the cover of a Russian magazine. The artist is named.
So... could you please give a link?
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
From what I've seen, the very religious would treat an alien civilization as "demons." This would be particularly true if their philosophy/religion did not seem to support under any interpretation anything that the Bible said.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
UFO Artwork
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Originally posted by Indellkoffer
From what I've seen, the very religious would treat an alien civilization as "demons." This would be particularly true if their philosophy/religion did not seem to support under any interpretation anything that the Bible said.
I agree with that.
[edit on 13-10-2005 by Paul_Richard]