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reply posted on 8-10-2005 @ 01:29 PM by Umbrax
The stories that are not mainstream do not get voted up.
When I post a story I'm usually looking for something in Science, technology or Health. Sometimes I will see a story and say "why the heck isn't this on ATSNN?" Like
this one.

But when ever I try to post about ATS's alternative subjects I get No:Story votes.

The reality is that ATSNN is a completely member driven outlet. This directly reflects on the community. A community that seems to be more interested in politics and war rather than conspiracy and alternative subjects. So these will be the stories that get posted on ATSNN.


reply posted on 9-10-2005 @ 09:58 AM by soficrow
Originally posted by FredT

I found this amusing:


Judging by many posts, ATSNN is just a place to file press releases - and promote Fox or CNN, the Republican or Democrat agenda.


So while you are quick to throw the agenda stone, how about your agenda that you are promoting? It does go both ways. To decry the existing stories when your own posting record is much of the same smacks of hypocrisy

But promotion goes both ways do these titles ring a bell?



RE:
OP/ED: Flu Researchers Slam US for Hoarding Data
This piece is not an Op/Ed IMO - it's straight up reporting: The world's scientific community has been criticising the US for some time for hoarding data and silencing scientists. Most recently, the criticism focused on the US preventing access to critical data on bird flu - the article referenced international news reports on the issue.
The conspiracy angle: Simultaneous to the criticism reaching US media, the US conducted a smear campaign on China to deflect the criticism, and distract attention from the well-founded charges. I exposed the campaign.

RE:Op/Ed. Democracy against Corporatocracy: Fighting the Machine. Hundreds of thousands of Katrina victims are displaced - left without homes or jobs, and living in detainment camps - with little hope for the future. I expect the same circumstance to result from the bird flu and other epidemics - with the added obstacle that many people will be physically unable to work full time.
The Conspiracy Angle: The situation results from a war initiated on democracy by the corporatocracy - and while Eminent Domain has yet to be implemented to benefit corporations in NO, it soon will be. I offered an alternative where people can fight back on the international corporations' home ground, and meet their very real needs: incorporated cooperatives.

Bird Flu and Beyond: Chronic Disease to Kill 400 Million
The WHO has been trying to flag the chronic disease crisis for several years - but consistently was blocked by the USA. Finally - both the World Bank and WHO got chronic disease on the world agenda by removing all references to the USA.
The Conspiracy Angle: Widespread prion infections and pollution are causing the crisis - industry is liable - and down-playing the crisis: it's a cover-up.

Op/Ed: Beyond Salvage: Was New Orleans Destroyed on Purpose? NO is a geographically important port - but it was a money pit because of the flooding and old levees, plus it had the nation's largest % of poor concentrated in one place - so attracting the level of investment required to protect the city from flooding was nigh impossible.
The Conspiracy Angle: The Aholes in power instituted a policy of "benign neglect" to get rid of the poor, pave the way for rebuilding NO according to their own agenda, and make a fortune doing it.

New Orleans: Incompetence or Population Control? Evacuation plans existed - but were not used. The zoo saved its animals - but government did not save its people.
The Conspiracy Angle: Government feigned incompetence to fulfill a hidden agenda - of population control, and remodeling the city for profit.


So, FredT: What on earth do you think my agenda is? And where's the hypocrisy?

I post news - and analyse the conspiracy angle. IMO - that's what ATS is about; I am not being hypocritical either in what I do, or what I say I'm doing. ...At the same time, some news is world-changing on its own - like many scientific breakthroughs, geophysical activity, and climate change impacts. Like others here, I often report sci/tech straight up, without looking for a conspiracy. Although when I see one, I say so.




You have expert status, you have posted your fair share of mainstream stories.


It's not about me, or my ability to post. As you say, I can post on ATSNN without going through the voting process. I'm talking about playing to ATS' strengths on ATSNN, and not denying who we really are.


But you also have submitted a fair share of OP/ED's. If all you want is to post up op/ed pieces etc. why not post it in an ATS thread instead?


1. Posting Op/Ed's in NOT all I want to do. 2. Writing Op/Ed's is a legitimate form of journalistic commentary - used when a thinker wants to cross the boundaries of 'polite conversation,' ignore the "objective observer" fiction, just take the gloves off, and call a spade a spade.



ATSNN = <--- News Network as in News


ATSNN =<--- Above Top Secret as in Conspiracy



Not really sure what you are going for here Soficrow?


Going for an integration of news and conspiracy theory. Looking to elevate discussions of conspiracy to a level of legitimate discourse, and make it current. Looking for contemporary practical applications of theoretical understanding.

Most everyone here has the background knowledge and the ability to do that - so I'm wondering why it's not happening more often.



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[edit on 9-10-2005 by soficrow]
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