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Hamas' West Bank battle plan exposed

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posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Maybe if the terrorist groups in Palestine didn't use schools, houses, and open markets as gathering places the situation could be different. But of course the can’t do that, how else can they convince people that Israel only targets those places to kill children.
I mean, I don't see any Hams flag flying high above a building far away from all the civilians so they are not in danger.

When a little Child sees his best Friend being torn apart by a Merkava Tank Shell or by Apache Hellfire Missiles, I think that next thing he wants to do is to Fight the Isrealis. So where are they supposed to go? I wonder what YOU would do in their case, since you are such an Army Fanatic? I wonder how you would react to that Situation. Put yourself in their Shoes for a Second and think what would you do if you were under occupation for 50 years. Try to Imagine. And then open your Mouth.




posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Maybe if the terrorist groups in Palestine didn't use schools, houses, and open markets as gathering places the situation could be different. But of course the can’t do that, how else can they convince people that Israel only targets those places to kill children.
I mean, I don't see any Hams flag flying high above a building far away from all the civilians so they are not in danger.

When a little Child sees his best Friend being torn apart by a Merkava Tank Shell or by Apache Hellfire Missiles, I think that next thing he wants to do is to Fight the Isrealis. So where are they supposed to go? I wonder what YOU would do in their case, since you are such an Army Fanatic? I wonder how you would react to that Situation. Put yourself in their Shoes for a Second and think what would you do if you were under occupation for 50 years. Try to Imagine. And then open your Mouth.



so, you're saying that, as a result of seeing a childhood friend torn apart by a missile, a young palestinian grows up, joins hamas and then uses a school as a shield so another boy can see another friend get killed by a missile?

so that's how they recruit.



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur

so, you're saying that, as a result of seeing a childhood friend torn apart by a missile, a young palestinian grows up, joins hamas and then uses a school as a shield so another boy can see another friend get killed by a missile?

so that's how they recruit.


No thats not what he's saying, such an event at such an young age can change the kid's way of thinking, his whole life is turned around.
Ofcourse he will seek revenge at first and then eventually be blinded by hate and end up seeing life like that and get used to it.

Everything is not black and white as you seem to see it.



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 03:36 PM
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Here is the deal:

Forget the discrepencies between the children dying, that is only due to the Israeli infrastructure and defenses being several times more advanced and efficient than the Palestinians which enables them to better guard against innocents dying. Palestinians literally live in a warzone 24/7 so the rate of their children dying is expected to be unfortunately higher than the Israelis.

But everyone here needs to understand the facts. Israel will never fall. This conflict is meant to never end until the appropriate time.

"Nothing in politics happens by chance. If it does, you can bet it was planned that way." -Teddy "Big Stick" Roosevelt.

Both sides, while their opposition ideologies are different (supposidly), their funding is the same. Israel is entirely funded by the U.S., Britain and the Rothschild's of the Western World. Palestinians are funded by guess what? The same generous donors and a few extra Arabian patrons. These conflicts are manufactured.

That is not to say that the people dying and fighting on both sides are in on it. On the contrary, they are pawns in this invisible game of political chess. Hamas, Hezbollah, and the other rogue groups all receive money from the same people who fund the IDF. Sure there are a few individual groups that truly are committed to the cause of their respective ideologies, but they are the fools who are dragged through the desert when the sands clear.

Israeli, Palestinian, they are all the same race of human. Don't believe me? Inspect their religions, histories, geneologies and their DNA. You will see incredibly close similarities between those two groups of people.

The only difference is that one side is funded and protected and valued above the other.

When the Islamic Empire ruled the world for about 800 years, Christians AND Jews PROSPERED under the "Golden Age". They were more equal as citizens back then under Islamic rule, then Muslims are in the Western world today which is ruled under the fist of the Judeo-Christian elite.

I am an American Jew. I say these things freely because I believe they are to be true. If more Israelis, Palestinians and people of the world understood that we will either survive together or fall apart one by one than the world would improve for the betterment of all.

Unfortunately, that world looks like it requires the utter destruction and purification of this world in order to come into existence. Pity.

"A house divided cannot stand"

Humanity is one house and the foundations will soon be leveled to the ground if something is not done on a global level and quickly.



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by shire19
No thats not what he's saying, such an event at such an young age can change the kid's way of thinking, his whole life is turned around.
Ofcourse he will seek revenge at first and then eventually be blinded by hate and end up seeing life like that and get used to it.

Everything is not black and white as you seem to see it.


shire, a remark was made referring to the use of schools as shields by hammas and the comment to follow didn't address the idea that maybe using a school as a meeting place was a bad idea as children would die, rather, it went off on a tangent describing how a child could become a terrorist. nobody's denying that the violence breeds more violence and hatred breeds more hatred. that is a given. the idea was that, should hammas hang a flag outside a building other than a school, perhaps less children would die.

on a lighter note, I got a kick out of your probably unintentional reference to turning to the dark side as a commentary on souljah's post, which has a jedi avatar.

did that even make sense?



posted on Oct, 10 2005 @ 07:33 AM
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Here is a little more light on the subject.

A lot to read at the link. Good interview.

www.worldnetdaily.com...

WND: When you talk of occupied Palestinian land, are you referring to the West Bank and the eastern sections of Jerusalem, or do you mean the entire state of Israel? Let's be clear here. Is your goal the destruction of Israel?

Al-Zahar: No one will deny the fact that before 1948, the state of Israel did not exist and that for thousands of years this land was part of an Islamic and Arabic land. History proves that this is the land of the Palestinian people and we will never give up any part of it. If our generation will not succeed to liberate all of historical Palestine then that mission will be for the following generations.

Roper

[edit on 10-10-2005 by Roper]



posted on Oct, 10 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Maybe if the terrorist groups in Palestine didn't use schools, houses, and open markets as gathering places the situation could be different. But of course the can’t do that, how else can they convince people that Israel only targets those places to kill children.
I mean, I don't see any Hams flag flying high above a building far away from all the civilians so they are not in danger.

When a little Child sees his best Friend being torn apart by a Merkava Tank Shell or by Apache Hellfire Missiles, I think that next thing he wants to do is to Fight the Isrealis. So where are they supposed to go? I wonder what YOU would do in their case, since you are such an Army Fanatic? I wonder how you would react to that Situation. Put yourself in their Shoes for a Second and think what would you do if you were under occupation for 50 years. Try to Imagine. And then open your Mouth.



The problem with your assertions are that they are historically innacurate. They follow the tradition of replacing true history with fantasy. The goal of the PA and at last a majority of the palestinians is the destruction of all Israel. After 1948 it was not Israel that occupied the Gaza Strip and West Bank. It was Egypt and Jordan. Were was the anti-fada against those two occupiers of palestinian lands. Oh, I forgot, there wasnt any. those terretories were used as bases by the two governments and palestinian terror groups to conduct attacks on Israel. There were some very heinous attacks including two when schools were taken over, Beslan style. During the 20 years of the Egypt/Jordan occupation there were only attacks on Israel, the palestinians cared nothing for there homeland then.

It was the Arab invasion of 1948 that prevented the partition plan in the first place. There was never any historical palesine. The land belonged to the Ottoman Empire for 500 years. It was practically empty, either swamp or desert before 1890. The turks began to sell large chunks of practically empty swamp to jews. The immigrants from Russia, America, and other parts of Europe came flooding in to drain the swamps and and begin a harvest. These were not generally religious jews, they were socialist who created the kibbutzum. The jews built infastructure, and created towns and cities. Arabs from other areas came there to work(thats not to say that no Arabs lived there before, just that there was a large influx during the 1910's and later 20's. The jews had bought a large portion of current day Israel from the turks. while arabs lived in the galilie and near the jordan river before 1890, it is a fact that practically no one lived within 30 miles of the coast were most of Israels population reside today.

The original partition plan gave far more to the Arabs of palestine then the west bank and gaza strip, it gave them a continuos state. That was forfeit when the 1948 war began. So the jews have every right to create a jewish state in Israel.

The 1967 borders should only be returned to when the palestinians have given up violence. Israel did not occupy the palestinian state it occupyed territory used by Jordan and Egypt to launch attacks into Israel. Jerusalem should remain a part of Israel. Under arab control the cities holy sites were off limits to jews and christians. Israel should continue building the wall, which saves lives both Israeli and palestinian, casualties on both sides have gone down since construction began.

So Souljah enough with your twisting of the facts, the only land Israel has "occupied" for 50 years is pre 1967 Israel. Thats obviously what you want the Israelis to give up since your certainly a believer in the myth of historic palestine.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 05:29 PM
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A spokesman said the nine-month-long truce could not be renewed after Israel killed a leader of its military wing in an air strike in Gaza on Tuesday.
Israel says it will continue its strikes until militants are disarmed.


This situation is only going to get worse between the isrealies and the palestinians. Isreals attempt for peace has only opened another door for another front of problems and confrontations as both sides said that they won't stop until they do.

But the real problem is that Palestine wont intervine and tell Hamas and his militants to stop, or do anything about disarming them.

Source

But i don't put isreal aside from being an instigator either. With Isreal constantly showing prowess and a show of force over the gaza strip its no wonder why the extremists are showing their side of intimidation either.

Isreal air force jets breaking the sound barrier over the Gaza Strip.


The head of the Gaza group, Dr Eyad Sarraj, a psychiatrist, has said that the sonic booms are having serious effects on children in Gaza, including anxiety, panic, fear, poor concentration and low academic success


So until mature agreements arise and are actually delegated and enforced there is nothing that can be done to stop the conflicts between the parties.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 05:44 PM
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we need to take this area and not let anyone have it, since palestinians wont stop being violent and everyone ignores the truth and wishes israel dead for defending itself.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by namehere
we need to take this area and not let anyone have it, since palestinians wont stop being violent and everyone ignores the truth and wishes israel dead for defending itself.


Who is we might i ask?

And what good would retaking the gaza strip do? This would just spark more confontation and threaten Isreal that much more. I don't think it was a good move in the first place to give up the land. I mean, did Isreal actually think that letting the strip go would stop the violence. It just opens up another section for them to worry about. Not to mention they are practically surrounded by nations that are extremist against them.



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Daystar
but also a group that tries to take care of the families of Palestinian civillians killed by the Israeli military occupation.


Your justification for this terrorist organization, is the fact they take care of the people they fight and blow themselves up for for?

Just wow...



posted on Nov, 3 2005 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by namehere
we need to take this area and not let anyone have it, since palestinians wont stop being violent and everyone ignores the truth and wishes israel dead for defending itself.


we tried that in beirut in 83....got a bunch of our guys killed. personally, i'm sick of being the worlds policemen. if the UN wants to stop the bloodshed, they can put their troops in harms way. we've got our own problems.



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