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posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 06:09 PM
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When the pres or other speaker's are at the podium making press announcements, I notice the american flag on the left but on the right, the presidential flag is draped in such a manner where it only exposes the 13 arrows that the bald eagle is holding.

What do these 13 arrows represent?

I know secret societies get off on symbolism, and I know it must mean something to some people. But i'd like to know what it signifies.




posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 06:17 PM
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The arrows represent war, so its immpossible that the flag just naturally sits that way on the pole, and therefore its 'them' saying that bush is the antichrist and that he's going to do nothing but make war, war, war, death death death, and having the american flag on the left handed side indicates that they are sinister. [sarcasm off]



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 06:19 PM
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Here is what I could find after a quick search on google.

"The olive branch and 13 arrows grasped by the eagle allude to peace and war, powers solely vested in the Congress, and the constellation of stars symbolizes the new Nation taking its place among the sovereign powers."

Here is the source..I hope this helps

www.pueblo.gsa.gov...

Coho



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 07:25 PM
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Take it for what it's worth, but here's something I found interesting:


from: The Secret Teachings of All Ages, by Manly P. Hall, p.282 (p. 90 according to the link, but 282 in the actual book in front of me.
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The significance of the mystical number 13, which frequently appears upon the Great Seal of the United States, is not limited to the number of the original colonies. The sacred emblem of the ancient initiates, here composed of 13 stars,, also appears above the head of the "eagle." The motto, E Pluribus Unum, contains 13 letters, as does also the inscription, Annuit Cœptis. The "eagle" clutches in its right talon a branch bearing 13 leaves and 13 berries and in its left a sheaf of 13 arrows. The face of the pyramid, exclusive of the panel containing the date, consists of 72 stones arranged in 13 rows.



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 11:51 PM
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You should always be on the lookout for the Yellow-Fringed-Flags which are apparently very mysterious and this is why certain secret social societies favor them.

I wish you had pasted some pictures up. You could be onto something. Anything is possible these days.



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 11:20 AM
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Arrows = War

13 = Rebellion against GOD



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by boombye
Arrows = War

13 = Rebellion against GOD


I thought there was 13 original States in the Union, might that have something to do with the number?



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by boombye
Arrows = War

13 = Rebellion against GOD


How so? Please explain if you don't mind...


df1

posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by boombye
Arrows = War

13 = Rebellion against GOD

Ummm How do you explain 13 people being present in da vinci's painting of "the last supper"? Is this also rebellion against God or did da vinci get the count wrong?

Painting of the Last Supper



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 04:49 PM
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Erm... forget this post.



[edit on 6-10-2005 by Lexicon]



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 04:56 PM
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13=Thirteen Original Colonies.

Remember your history books, guys? Back when the symbols were adopted there were 13 states.



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd
13=Thirteen Original Colonies.
[...]


Has anyone into the 13 of this and that ideas gone back past the 13 colonies? Why stop at the 13 colonies as an origin, if that is the point of a theory or idea?

Why "13" colonies and not 12 or 14?


Any history professors out there?



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 03:51 PM
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Ok i just posted the answer to your question.

But for some reason it got removed. Must have been thos dam right winger.

sorry what can I say.



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman





why is there 13 of everything? And what about the 13 colonies? Why were there 13?

I'm pretty sure the mason's would know about this 13 and there are numbers being used in their symbolism too.

are the arrows =ing war?? why else would someone hold arrows.

Why couldn't they place the 13 olive branches the same way they did arrows? Obviously they are showing somebody something, and I want to know what!

just like those horns he made during the parade.. sure it could mean texas but why has bill clinton and others been doing the same thing prior to. They aren't from texas.



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by TrueLies
why is there 13 of everything? And what about the 13 colonies? Why were there 13?


Why are there 50 states now? Why not 52, or 43? Why does there have to be some significance to the fact that there were thirteen? Would you be asking why if there had been 12 or 14?


I'm pretty sure the mason's would know about this 13 and there are numbers being used in their symbolism too.


Why would the Masons know any more than anyone else? Do you know what numbers they use in their symbolism? I do, and it has nothing to do with 13 so far as I can tell. I'm not quite sure what Manly P. Hall was getting at there, but of course he wasn't a Mason at the time he wrote that, so...


are the arrows =ing war?? why else would someone hold arrows.


Maybe they were avid deer hunters?


Why couldn't they place the 13 olive branches the same way they did arrows? Obviously they are showing somebody something, and I want to know what!


Actually, there are thirteen leaves on the olive branch.


Uhhhhh... and who are "they," 'cuz they pretty much spell it out...


just like those horns he made during the parade.. sure it could mean texas but why has bill clinton and others been doing the same thing prior to. They aren't from texas.


Maybe they are hard rockers?



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 07:25 PM
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I'm counting 32 feathers on the left wing and 33 feathers on the right wing; interesting indeed.



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman
Actually, there are thirteen leaves on the olive branch.


As well as thirteen olives. And thirteen stripes on the shield.

The number thirteen obviously represents the number of original colonies in all instances. The olive branch and the arrows together symbolizes a desire for peace, but a willingness to fight if necessary.



[edit on 7-10-2005 by Lexicon]



posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 10:38 PM
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Since we are talking about the number "13" here (and not 12 or 14 or 52 or pi), I just thought it would be interesting (in my last post) to go back farther SEARCHING for a significant "13" earlier than the 13 colonies' formation that is RELATED at least in a hypothetical situation regarding America.

13 steps (is to) thirteen letters (is to) thirteen stars (is to) thirteen colonies (is to) ...?... I don't know...a baker's dozen?

I'd like to read any posts with info.


df1

posted on Oct, 7 2005 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
I'd like to read any posts with info.

This recaps the number 13 in the Great Seal.


From Hunt's History of the Seal of the United States.

The significance of the mystical number 13, which frequently appears upon the Great Seal of the United States, is not limited to the number of the original colonies. The sacred emblem of the ancient initiates, here composed of 13 stars,, also appears above the head of the "eagle." The motto, E Pluribus Unum, contains 13 letters, as does also the inscription, Annuit Cœptis. The "eagle" clutches in its right talon a branch bearing 13 leaves and 13 berries and in its left a sheaf of 13 arrows. The face of the pyramid, exclusive of the panel containing the date, consists of 72 stones arranged in 13 rows.



From The Secret Teachings Of All Ages

Modern playing cards are the minor trumps of the Tarot, from each suit of which the page, or valet, has been eliminated, leaving 13 cards. The 13 cards of each suit are the 13 lunar months in each year, and the 52 cards of the deck are the 52 weeks in the year.


And as mentioned previously 13 people are present in da vinci's painting, "The Last Supper".
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posted on Oct, 8 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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Yeah, but the bible's Last Supper doesn't exactly lead directly to 13 colonies. I wonder if there is something a little closer to the time period. At least a time frame similar from the 13 colonies with respect to corresponding imagery like the seal or even it's placement on the dollar.

13 of this on the dollar (is to) 13 colonies (is not so much to) the Last Supper.

To clarify, I'm not concerned with any masonicness in an idea. Just historically related to the US or England with respect to the following colonization.

[edit on 8-10-2005 by 2nd Hand Thoughts]



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