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Vaccines responsible for more deaths than the diseases they are supposed to fight off.

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posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 02:44 PM
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I have read a number of papers and articles recently regarding how vaccines have been responsbile for massive amounts of deaths throughout the world. For example, the huge amount of deaths from the 1918 flu....a large amount were attributed to the vaccine used.



In an article in Science, March 4, 1977, Jonas and Darrell Salk warn that. "Live virus vaccines against influenza or poliomyelitis may in each instance pro­duce the disease it intended to prevent—the live virus against measles and mumps may produce such side effects as encephalitis (brain damage)."


This is knowledge that the CDC has had for a long time and if anything, vaccines are used as part of the plan of the powers that be to reduce the world's population.

Read this: www.whale.to...

It's a well written and documented essay on the problem with vaccines and their true purpose.



Medical historians have finally come to the reluctant conclusion that the great flu "epidemic" of 1918 was solely attributable to the widespread use of vaccines. It was the first war in which vaccination was compulsory for all servicemen. The Boston Herald reported that forty-seven soldiers had been killed by vaccination in one month. As a result, the military hospitals were filled, not with wounded combat casualties, but with casualties of the vaccine. The epidemic was called "the Spanish Influenza," a deliberately misleading appellation, which was intended to conceal its origin. This flu epidemic claimed twenty million victims; those who survived it were the ones who had refused the vaccine. In recent years, annual recurring epidemics of flu recalled "the Russian Flu." For some reason, the Russians never protest, perhaps because the Rockefellers make regular trips to Moscow to lay down the party line.

The perils of vaccination were already known. Plain Talk magazine notes that "during the Franco-Prussian War, every German soldier was vaccinated. The result was that 53,288 otherwise healthy men developed smallpox. The death rate was high."


Pretty scary stuff. But, unfortunately not surprising with the NWO's depopulation plans.......

[edit on 5-10-2005 by XanaX]




posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 02:49 PM
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The title statement is plainly and simply false. Vaccination fear seems to be a really extreme sort of paranoia. Its the reason why polio, well nigh eradicated, is popping back up, because backwards and ignorant clerics (islamic ones in africa here) think that its all a sinister plot, and tell their equally backwards and ignorant audiences not to take the vaccines.



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 02:50 PM
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SO is this a medical post or a NWO one?



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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The argument against vaccines is at best a strawman. The simple fact is that vaccines work. The best example of this is Polio:



Poliomyelitis

Poliomyelitis and its symptoms: Poliomyelitis (polio) is a highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It invades the nervous system, and can cause total paralysis in a matter of hours. The virus enters the body through the mouth and multiplies in the intestine. Initial symptoms are fever, fatigue, headache, vomiting, stiffness in the neck and pain in the limbs. One in 200 infections leads to irreversible paralysis (usually in the legs). Among those paralysed, 5%–10% die when their breathing muscles become immobilized.

Persons at risk of polio: Polio mainly affects children under five years of age.

Prevention of polio: There is no cure for polio, it can only be prevented. Polio vaccine, given multiple times, can protect a child for life.

Polio caseload: Polio cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated more than 350 000 cases to 1919 reported cases in 2002 (as of 16 April 2003). The reduction is the result of the global effort to eradicate the disease.

www.who.int...


Yes with every medical procedure or drug there is risk, but that is relativly small with vaccines. The benifits outweight the risk IMHO.



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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The title statement is plainly and simply false. Vaccination fear seems to be a really extreme sort of paranoia. Its the reason why polio, well nigh eradicated, is popping back up, because backwards and ignorant clerics (islamic ones in africa here) think that its all a sinister plot, and tell their equally backwards and ignorant audiences not to take the vaccines.


Maybe that is because the "Polio" vaccines used in Africa around 1978-1980 are what spread the AIDS virus throughout Africa. The vaccine was laced with it purposely.

And.....this is a medical post not a NWO post....

Why are so many of those "backward and ignorant" people dying of AIDS??



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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In an article in Science, March 4, 1977, Jonas and Darrell Salk warn that. "Live virus vaccines against influenza or poliomyelitis may in each instance pro­duce the disease it intended to prevent—the live virus against measles and mumps may produce such side effects as encephalitis (brain damage)."


I guess Jonas Salk doesn't know what he's talking about...... He's the creator of the polio vaccine, so what could he possibly know. It's not like he's an authority on the subject or anything.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by XanaX]



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by XanaX
Why are so many of those "backward and ignorant" people dying of AIDS??


Because of backward and ignorant social beliefs that are promulgated within these cultures, i.e. the rape of babies as a cure for HIV/AIDS.

Vaccinations has eliminated (or nearly eliminated, seems there’s always someone “smarter” than everyone else who declines and the disease gets a new lease on life :shk: ) a host of diseases, including Polio, Small Pox, Measles, Mumps, Tetanus, Whooping Cough (pertussis). I assume you would decline a Bird Flu vaccine if it was offered in the face of a full outbreak?

Darwin was right…

Klonopin Monkeys, not just as an alternative anymore…



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
The argument against vaccines is at best a strawman. The simple fact is that vaccines work. risk IMHO.


It is my understanding that no "scientific" study has ever been done to prove the vaccination theory is sound. There is a good reason for this, it would be immorale to do a proper study. If I understand right, they would have to take 3 groups, one would be vaccinated, one would be vaccinated with a placebo, and one would be given nothing. Then expose all three groups to the disease in question and monitor results. I think that is more or less how a proper scientific study would go. Obviously this is immorale, but until it's done that way vaccination theory is just that, a theory, not a fact.

If I'm wrong correct me.]

vas

[edit on 5-10-2005 by Vasilis Azoth]



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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I assume you would decline a Bird Flu vaccine if it was offered in the face of a full outbreak?


You are correct. That's because taking the vaccine is exactly what the CDC would want me to do....and I just don't trust that organization. They are the biggest player in the depopulation program on the planet!



Darwin was right…

Klonopin Monkeys, not just as an alternative anymore…


Another intelligent comment coming from a Moderator....the ones who are supposed to be setting an example for everyone. I recently got exiled from this site for 3 days for making such comments. I guess the Moderators are free to act as they please. The rules don't apply to them for some reason.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by XanaX]



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by XanaX
You are correct. That's because taking the vaccine is exactly what the CDC would want me to do....and I just don't trust that organization. They are the biggest player in the depopulation program on the planet!


Hence my application of Darwinian Theory appears to be correct. When will this depopulation project come into effect? The worlds population continues to grow as I have posted before, despite the evil machinations of the CDC...



Another intelligent comment coming from a Moderator....the ones who are supposed to be setting an example for everyone. I recently got exiled from this site for 3 days for making such comments. I guess the Moderators are free to act as they please. The rules don't apply to them for some reaon.


I hardly think my humble assent to Dawin's work, or a reference to an anti-anxiety medication (you use one as your member name
) constitutes anything untoward... The rules do apply to us.



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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Because of backward and ignorant social beliefs that are promulgated within these cultures, i.e. the rape of babies as a cure for HIV/AIDS.


Source? I think if you are going to make a disgusting statement like this, you should at least back it up with a source!



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 03:52 PM
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Everyone's Favorite Simian
Because of backward and ignorant social beliefs that are promulgated within these cultures, i.e. the rape of babies as a cure for HIV/AIDS.



Originally posted by XanaX
Source? I think if you are going to make a disgusting statement like this, you should at least back it up with a source!


No problem, how about an entire ATS thread on just that topic:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And here is more on the well covered subject:

www.truthorfiction.com...

Seemed like common knowledge to me... Sorry to have been less than thorough with my original post.



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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No problem, how about an entire ATS thread on just that topic:


Interesting....the second thread says "rumor" and "truth or fiction"...so these threads are about a rumor, not fact. I'd make sure something was a fact before I stated something as disgusting as you did! It must show some sort of deep seated ill-will or hate you have toward those people.

Again...another instance where I wish I could ignore a moderator.....

Edit to add: I read the first thread. This is horrible of you to even bring up in this instance. The situation you describe is simply pedophiles using AIDS as an excuse for child abuse. No one believed this to be a cure for AIDS....I don't care how "backward" you think these people are!

Funny, you'll believe this, but not that vaccines kill people and that the CDC purposely kills people.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by XanaX]



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 04:14 PM
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—the live virus against measles and mumps may produce such side effects as encephalitis (brain damage)."

Me and the people in my year at school just had a letter from the local doctors saying there needed to be a second measles mumps rubella vaccine for those aged 17-24 (im 17) so if this is accurate i may be re-thinking that....



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by XanaX

Interesting....the second thread says "rumor" and "truth or fiction"...so these threads are about a rumor, not fact. I'd make sure something was a fact before I stated something as disgusting as you did! It must show some sort of deep seated ill-will or hate you have toward those people.


The "rumor" referred to is that having sex with a virgin (including babies) would cure an infected male of AIDS... Not whether or not that such rapes have occured... Of that, there is no doubt.


p.s. Nice try at inferring rascism, I wonder what they would think of being referred to as "those people?" Perhaps the shoe fits at home?


truthorfiction.com
Added to that, however, is the rumor in parts of Africa, including large portions of South Africa, that having sex with a virgin will cleanse a male of AIDS. The Johannesburg city council conducted a three-year study of about 28,000 men. They found that 1 in 5 believed in the virgin-AIDS cure. The fallout from that is a rise in assaults of women and children, some of whom contract AIDS themselves.

Of particular alarm has been the rise in infant rapes. Not all researchers blame that on the virgin-AIDS cure myth, but they believe it has contributed to it. The rape of the nine-month-old by six men in Upington at the end of 2001 enraged many South Africans. That was followed by the discovery of a seven-month-old who had been raped and left for dead in a suburb of Capetown in November, 2001. There have been other high profile cases since.

Emphasis mine.


Deny Ignorance... Read what is offered, you never know what you might learn.




Again...another instance where I wish I could ignore a moderator.....


We're even.



posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Vasilis Azoth


It is my understanding that no "scientific" study has ever been done to prove the vaccination theory is sound.


A quick question, Vasilis.

If vaccines do not work, how do you explain the remarkable drops in polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella et al over the years since such vaccines started being used?

It doesn't appear that anyone - anyone - is trying to claim that vaccines don't come with their risks; yes, sometimes the vaccine will actually cause a mild case of the disease it's trying to prevent. That's the nature of the product....and frankly, that's an acceptable risk I'd take, compared to the alternative.

(aside from myself, have any detractors actually watched someone die from a completely preventable illness like say....measles?)

On another note, there have been no clinical trials performed in this country to ascertain whether or not lack of oxygen will cause brain damage.

Then again, it's so screamingly obvious an answer that none are needed...



[edit on 5/10/05 by Tinkleflower]



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 08:37 AM
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The "rumor" referred to is that having sex with a virgin (including babies) would cure an infected male of AIDS... Not whether or not that such rapes have occured... Of that, there is no doubt.


The thread is about vaccines. You bring up rapes of babies in Africa. I'm not sure what the correlation is other than the fact that you somehow find it amusing that there is some "rumor" that raping babies is believed to be a cure for AIDS in Africa. Again, I will say that no one believes that raping babies will cure AIDS...it's simply a way for pedophiles to find an excuse to partake in behavior which they should be put to death for.

I just find it disgusting that you felt the need to bring this topic up again in any thread. It's disgusting and you aren't any better for contributing it.

The topic is on vaccines. Why not stick to the subject.



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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Maybe that is because the "Polio" vaccines used in Africa around 1978-1980 are what spread the AIDS virus throughout Africa. The vaccine was laced with it purposely.


I posted this earlier in the thread and it's wrong. It was a smallpox vaccine that was laced with AIDS at that time. But, obviously, Africans would be afraid of any vaccine after this obvious purposeful release of the AIDS virus in Africa. Why would they trust anyone with a vaccine for anything, saying they are trying to help them? Maybe these "backwards" people aren't as "backwards" as the world has hoped!



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by XanaX
Maybe that is because the "Polio" vaccines used in Africa around 1978-1980 are what spread the AIDS virus throughout Africa.

False.

The vaccine was laced with it purposely.

Double False.
This is the kind of lies and paranoia that are spreading death and disease through the world, literally.

And.....this is a medical post not a NWO post....


Why are so many of those "backward and ignorant" people dying of AIDS??

There is a high incidence of AIDS in africa because

  1. there's practically no health infrastructure
  2. People keep having sex with people with AIDS
  3. The government is advocating insane conspiracy theories about AIDS
  4. The public understanding about diseases is so low that they think raping babies will get rid of the disease


However, this is africa in general, not the people that are being urged by their imans to not have the polio vaccine. Fact, the rest of the world uses the vaccine, and polio was nearly wiped out, made extinct, these idiots stopped using it, because of baseless paranoia like you are spreading, and now polio is building up in those specific regions.


guess Jonas Salk doesn't know what he's talking about

And salk is not saying that vaccines are not worth the danger, he's saying that a specific type of vaccination, where a living (but 'neutured') virus is used, are dangerous. THis is a small proportion of vaccines in the world.

vasilis azoth
, but until it's done that way vaccination theory is just that, a theory, not a fact.

Yes, along with the Theory that diseases are caused by Germs, which will never be proven. Indeed, the Vaccination Theory, that injecting people with disabled or broken up peices of viruses, to cause their immune system to get to 'recognize' the virus, is entirely theoretical, and will allways be, like every scientific theory. And yet, if you aren't vaccinated for a disease, and its in the population, you'll get it, and you'll die. The 'big test' of the vaccine theory is that, there were epidemics of polio, there was a vaccine introduced, world wide, and the disease was practically destroyed entirely. And to provide the 'immoral' test population that isn't , these idiot, ignorant, and deluded clerics have done a good job. They told their people not to get vaccinated, and, surprise surprise, they're dying of polio.

where I wish I could ignore a moderator

because he's presenting evidence and a logical argument against the uniformed and ignorant paranoia that you are spreading? You clearly don't want to ignore him, because you keep responding to him.

Funny, you'll believe this, but not that vaccines kill people and that the CDC purposely kills people

Because there is evidence that this is the practice in africa, there is no evidence that vaccines cause more problems than they cure, and rather, the exact opposite is clearly indicated, no vaccines, lots of horrible viral diseases, give the population vaccines, those diseases practically go extinct.

The thread is about vaccines. You bring up rapes of babies in Africa. I'm not sure what the correlation is

Is it that difficult for you to figure out? You said that AIDS was caused by a vaccine, and on purpose. Some of us have pointd out that thats an ignorant idea spread by people who are uneducated on the matter and who are more willing to beleive something crazy and wild than somethign boring and sensible, such as rather than wearing a condom or not having unprotected sex to avoid getting aids, that you can rape virginal babies to, witch-doctor-like, get rid of it. You seemd to think that these populations weren't ignorant on the matter, and seemed to scoff at the idea that they could be wrong about the issues surroudning viral diseases. This demonstrates that they fundamentally are.

It's disgusting and you aren't any better for contributing it.

I think its disgusting that you are contributing to a movement that will, if it ever catches on, will result in the deaths of millions. If you don't like the uniformed and paranoid ideas about viruses, such as 'vaccines are worse than the disease' or the allied 'having sex with a pure virgin will get rid eof the disease', then don't participate in even a part of that set of ideas.

It was a smallpox vaccine that was laced with AIDS at that time.

This, agian, is false, there is an idea that this might have been what happened to spread monkey aids to men, but its not a very well supported idea at all.

Maybe these "backwards" people aren't as "backwards" as the world has hoped!

Again, these 'not backwards' people are raping babies to get rid of the disease'. If you think that thats not backwards, well, thats your business.



posted on Oct, 6 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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Nygdan, tinklefolower - It's true that vaccinations have resulted in removing certain diseases and epidemics from the world. At the same time though, we have seen the emergence of a variety of new diseases, not just AIDS. ..."Chronic" diseases like heart disease, cancer, diabetes, respiratory diseases like asthma and COPD - and more - all are now epidemic worldwide. The primary difference between these new diseases and the older ones is that the new diseases tend to be more slowly progressive, and don't usually generate acute symptoms until victims are older.

It seems fairly clear to me that:

a) All of the new diseases are prion-related;
b) The prions are created in the manufacture of vaccines - by using cow and sheep products, and through the use of centrifuges;
c) Vaccinations spread the prions, and facilitate the creation of new strains, which results in new diseases.

...So in a way - we haven't really gotten rid of diseases like smallpox, polio, etc - just changed them.


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