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Originally posted by snafu7700
or they can just do what the iranians did in 79 and nationalize everything....oops, there go your profits.
There are already subtle tensions between Australia and Indonesia with the oil and fish stocks in between each country, The 'indonesia lobby' in DFAT, The issue of east timor, recent arrests of Australians on drug charges, recent terror attacks on Australia's, the Muslim/Chrisitian culture gap with current tensions and so on.
Who dunit? Contradiction number 1
"Mr Howard spoke to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono....Yudhoyono confirmed suicide bombers were likely responsible for the blasts, which have been blamed on the Jemaah Islamiah (JI) terror group responsible for the 2002 Bali attacks.
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Several Australian holidaymakers injured in the blasts had spoken of explosive bags hurled under their tables in the moments before the coordinated attacks, leading to speculation on whether the blasts had been carried out by suicide bombers."
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Enter Suspects, round 1
Metro television, quoting sources at the Bali provincial police headquarters, said that three suspects were being sought in addition to the suicide bombers.
It said the bombers are believed to have used two cars in their operations - a locally-assembled van and a compact car.
news.ninemsn.com.au...
The story begins...
Ansyaad Mbai, the head of the anti-terrorism desk at the security ministry, also says the attacks bear the hallmarks of the Jemaah Islamiah extremist network.
"The modus operandi is very similar to the previous bombings, the use of backpacks, whose remnants were found at the scene of the blasts," he said.
He says the attacks, which ripped through crowded restaurants, were likely to have involved three suicide bombers.
"We found bodies whose heads and legs are missing," he said, suggesting that the extent of the mutilation indicated the bodies belonged to suicide bombers.
Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty also says it is believed three suicide bombers were involved in the blasts, which he says were different from previous bombings.
Asked if the bombs had been hidden inside the restaurant before the blast or carried General Pastika, he said: "We have found a crater on the floor but give us more time so that there is no mistake."
www.abc.net.au...
Sometime's John Howard sounds exactly like he's forgottern that the NWO is ment to be a secret...
""I call it wicked, I call it evil, but I call it conduct ... carried out by people with no scruples or morality."
www.theage.com.au...
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Prime Minister John Howard said the bombing was undoubtedly the work of terrorists trying to undermine democracy in Indonesia.
"If in the process you can kill and maim and frighten Westerners, including Australians, then that is regarded as something of a bonus as far as the terrorists are concerned," Mr Howard told the Nine Network.
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Indonesian expert Greg Fealy, also from ANU, said JI was one of the few groups capable of carrying out a highly coordinated suicide attack.
"The fact that it's a suicide bombing narrows the field a bit," he told AAP.
"There are quite a few groups who are capable of undertaking bombings but there are less that are capable of undertaking highly coordinated suicide bombings, as we have here."
Australian Federal Police will have a key role in the bombing investigation, similar to their involvement in 2002.
news.ninemsn.com.au...
Pacific 'backlash' over Aussie dominance
Pacific expert Gerard Finin, deputy director of the US research organisation the East-West Centre, believes Australia should "lead from behind" in the region rather than try to stand in front and direct.
Australia's position in the region had entered a new era in recent years and the United States recognised it was in many respects a "South Pacific superpower", Finin said in a speech in Port Moresby.
news.ninemsn.com.au...
Bombs designed to destroy Indonesia's economy
The bombs, which exploded near popular restaurants on Saturday evening, were designed to destabilise the country and destroy the tourism industry in the resort island of Bali, he said.
"I think we should see this as primarily an attempt to wreak havoc and cause fear and create instability inside Indonesia," Howard told the Nine Network.
"This is overwhelmingly an attack on democratic Indonesia. The Balinese economy was just recovering from the terrible attack of three years ago and Indonesia of course is now a fully fledged democracy.
"And I see this primarily as an attack on Indonesia and the democratic instincts of the Indonesian people."
(Remind us of the NWO plans again Johnny!)
"That's part of a process -- if you weaken the Balinese economy, and the best way to do that is to frighten the tourists away, then you further weaken the infrastructure of the Indonesian economy," he said.
news.ninemsn.com.au...
Does the NWO reveal itself behind the Terrorist mask?
JAKARTA, Oct. 1 (Xinhuanet) -- Saturday night's bomb blasts in Bali could have link with fuel oil price hikes which were felt by the people as a very heavy burden, the official news agency Antara quoted a political observer as saying.
"I think groups who are unsatisfied with the fuel oil price hike have been behind the explosions, not those who want to shift attention on fuel oil issues," Professor Budiatna, a political observer at the University of Indonesia, said here on Saturday night.
"They pressured (the government) by resorting to terrors. Their message is to lower the fuel oil price or else the terror acts will continue," the observer added.
news.xinhuanet.com...
Someone isn't happy about Indonesia raising it's Oil price
The president added that Indonesia suffered annual losses of 8.8 trillion rupiah ($850m; £468m) from smuggled oil.
A fifth of the nation's budget goes on fuel subsidies. Concern about Indonesia's ability to finance the fuel aid has taken its toll on the economy and investors say plans to cut the cost do not go far enough.
The rupiah has lost more than 10% against the US dollar this year because of economic pressure from soaring world oil prices.
news.bbc.co.uk...
Which branch of the NWO would be involved?
Indonesia's falling oil output is threatening its OPEC membership. The country pumped 940,000 barrels a day in August, according to Bloomberg estimates. That's only 67 percent of the nation's quota of 1.45 million barrels a day set by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.
The government plans to replace directors of the state oil company after Purnama rejected a government-brokered agreement to end a dispute with Exxon, Vice President Jusuf Kalla told reporters in Jakarta on Aug. 12, without saying when the meeting is or giving a reason for removing the board. State Enterprises Minister Sugiharto will decide on the new board to take office after the next shareholders' meeting, he said.
www.bloomberg.com...
More wanting a piece of the pie, even more reason to kill their tourism economy so they are forced to sell more resources
South Africa's oil company, PetroSA, could be drilling in Indonesia's oil fields if mineral and energy agreements between the two countries goes ahead, Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, the deputy president, said at Tuynhuys today. "One of the agreements that has been considered most probably will be signed next year (and) is in the area of minerals and energy," she said during a press conference with Jusuf Kalla, the Indonesian vice president, who is on an official visit to the country.
www.sabcnews.com...
Originally posted by R988
There are already subtle tensions between Australia and Indonesia with the oil and fish stocks in between each country, The 'indonesia lobby' in DFAT, The issue of east timor, recent arrests of Australians on drug charges, recent terror attacks on Australia's, the Muslim/Chrisitian culture gap with current tensions and so on.
Of course the above is just some idle thinking I was doing about some possible real world worst case scenarios that could happen, it is certainly unlikely (at least for the time being), but still a possibility that deserves some consideration. One shouldn't tempt an enemy with weak defences.
Originally posted by Heartagram
Being economically unstable, terror attack prone, prone to mother nature's wrath, shaky administration and disunited people makes them the most vulnerable country in the world.
Mr Abbott was holidaying with his family in Legian when he was woken at 5am Bali time by a call from his worried sister.
He spent the day touring bomb sites and supporting injured Australians and their families at Sanglah Hospital in Denpasar.
www.heraldsun.news.com.au...
Mr Howard says Australia will review its travel advisory for Indonesia, which currently warns against all non-essential travel.
An upgrade would involve warning against all travel.
Mr Howard says the latest incident has clearly shaken the Australian community.
However, he has assured Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono it will only bring the two countries closer together.
www.abc.net.au...
Jakarta is in talks with Russia to buy 48 advanced Sukhoi fighter jets, attack submarines, tanks and sophisticated surface-to-air missile systems.
Indonesia has turned to Moscow after being banned from buying US weapons since 1991, after the Dili massacre.
Australian defence expert Aldo Borgu said Indonesia's proposed purchases could pose a threat to Australia.
"If they bought 48 Sukhois, that would be of concern," he said.
"I have no doubt they want to upgrade their forces.
"They want to protect their claims to their maritime boundaries."
The visit to Russia comes as a parliamentary committee is set to investigate Australia's declining combat edge against Asian air forces.
Indonesia – allied with the Soviet Union in the early 1960s – has set up a special military commission for technical co-operation.
www.thesundaymail.news.com.au...
Indonesia's national police spokesman Brigadier General Soenarko Danu Ardanto said police had so far identified 39 witnesses they intended to question about the bombings.
He also said detectives had not yet worked out how the suicide bombs were triggered.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
Federal Health Minister Tony Abbott, most recently known for his joke about a fellow politicians suicide attempt and his follow up comment of having "never claimed to be the world's most sensitive person" just happened to be 'holidaying' in Bali.
Abbott's holiday will be good for his public image, even thou Australia's health Minister shouldn't really be travelling in Bali with his family when Australia warns against it.
[edit on 3-10-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]
Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
- Also interesting to note is that the business markets weren't affected by this attack as if they knew it was coming.
- Suicide bombers with another person calling in the bombs with a mobile is the official explanation. Witnesses say also saw bags thrown under tables and investigation have yet to rule out pre-planted bombs. Why start spreading suicide bomber theory before a full investigation?
Stay tuned to the terrorist group admitting to this attack via a dodgy tape, the public is buying the JI - Al-Qaeda links so all that's needed now is the acceptance speach so the media can move on and the governments can tell us how we should be suspicious of everyone.
Originally posted by Jeremiah25
Is it not perhaps possible that Jemaah Islamiah really was behind these attacks, as well as the attacks that have occurred since 2002? After all, their goal is to destablise the Indonesian Government and replace the democracy with an Islamic caliphate that would operate under their particular blend of extremism. This seems like a logical way to go about achieving such a goal. Why then do you believe they are not responsible?