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posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 02:03 AM
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This may be 'too early' for some to hear but looks like we have another case of Terror achieving western goals for the future. But extremist haters, don't fret, your guys were involved too!

(A possible scenario, one which only time will prove but keep your mind open to a world controlled by business to really understand its potential ...)

Firstly, this will be traced back to JI and we'll go through the same procedures where the press will act like it's anyone’s game for 3-5 days, then will start producing the JI headlines as a few people who look like they lost their mind a long time ago start to be brought in while others, more important contributors are reported as dying on the scene. That's the standard post-terror formula.

What won't be brought up is who is controlling JI?, who is funding JI? and who are JI's top dogs answering too? Why? Because media produced history has established the 'fact' that JI are 'linked' to Al-Qaeda and everything linked to Al-Qaeda hits a dead-end somewhere along the line as it's designed too. Even if a trail can lead back to the head of Al-Qaeda it's ultimately dead-ended at Bin Laden or Al-Zarqawi and those two have long been considered assets to the CIA and Mossad, who in turn answer to the NWO group - the business, finacial & Industrial king pins.

These attacks in Bali are intended to kill their economy via killing their tourist trade. They are only shrouded by 'Islamic extremism' to give the same dead-ended reasoning for the attacks - basically, so WE don't have to think about why they happened, we can just say, "oh it's those extremists again, we should really do something about that". The police will have a trail to hunt while the governments and media promote the threat of extremism, we've seen it multiple times since 9/11 yet we don't talk about it.

Those caught up in delivering these attacks probably do whole heartedly believe that what they are doing is good for their religion, they were trained to believe this and they were willing to do what it took for those learned beliefs – don’t let the two motives working for the same cause confuse you, there's ALWAYS more than one factor involved.

Meanwhile, Indonesia's continued debt rises and it's tourism trade drops. This will continue steadily and 'terror' will continue hand in hand until Indonesia is forced to make money elsewhere to replace the whole left by the lack of tourism.

That will only come via the other real means Indonesia has - in selling it's natural resources and taking a cut from the newly westernised oil and gas fields that will start to sprout up, rather than letting those areas sit there for lack of funding in utilising and exporting them. A sort of post-East Timor 'we'll save your a$$ but only if we get the fuel afterwards' scenario but on a much larger, global and more important scale. They will get their resources hijacked in order to 'save' their failing economy after the drought of tourism due to choreographed 'terrorism'. Meanwhile, the public will be conditioned to believe the confusion about why these things are happening and what the terrorists really want.

This week the Australian press for one has been promoting the rise in goods due to the oil price and our Prime Minister is saying it's likely never to go down like it's some sort of revelation in which they only just discovered this week! Peak Oil research and study has been saying this is the future for the last 20 years and again, the forethinkers are proven correct regardless of the act the media and governments put on in making us believe it's something that could never have been predicted because lack of oil in our future is a taboo topic for mainstream press. We are only allowed to talk about how much Terrosits suck and how they are the spoilers of our future - not our own greed, heavens no!

So another step is made for the west to help secure another area of rich fuel using Terrorism to do it's dirty work. Religion is again used to warp people's beliefs and to control people's minds into doing things they would never normally do. It was a tactic promoted by Bin Laden in order to gather a devoted army to wage a war in the 80's and it's still alive and well today using the same routes and the same ideals and funded by the same groups which funded Bin Laden originally. You have business using religion to control people into doing it's bidding. The history of Hassassins and the modern day version, MK-ULTRA, is testament to this, yet the easiest form of mind-control is conducting and controlling a belief in someone that an action will equal eternal heaven - most commercial religions control it's people this way on a much smaller (and generally non-violent) scale. Extremism is a tailored craft, not an ideology.

Indonesia owe the ECGD (The UK's Official Export Credit Agency) around a half BILLION in arms debt. They can't pay it back without either a driving tourism boom or by giving up their resources. The Western world needs resources more than cash - this is just another step in making that happen. Kill the cash cow and they'll be forced to sell their resources, especially when KBR offer huge incentives to drill, pump, export, rebuild etc etc.

Believe it or not, it's the future of Indonesia and this is where it all began. Don’t loose foresight because of bombs, that’s what you’re meant to do.




posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 02:44 AM
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or they can just do what the iranians did in 79 and nationalize everything....oops, there go your profits.


NR

posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by snafu7700
or they can just do what the iranians did in 79 and nationalize everything....oops, there go your profits.



next time when you say things like that keep them to yourself because no one wants to hear it.



posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 03:34 AM
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posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 03:47 AM
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I wanted to the UN, or at least the US, to invade Indonesia in the 80's and 90's. The genocide that occurred in East Timor, while the world did noting, was really sickening. That's why I get so angry when people try to rationalize the Iraq invasion by talking about freedom and dictators. President Suharto made Saddam look like a boy scout, and the world did nothing to stop the slaughter.



posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 06:02 AM
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Well Indonesia certainly doesn't look like its going to stop spending on arms.

www.news.com.au...

They are trying to buy a further 48 Sukhois (doesn't say what they are, probably Su-30mks) from the Russians.

There are already subtle tensions between Australia and Indonesia with the oil and fish stocks in between each country, The 'indonesia lobby' in DFAT, The issue of east timor, recent arrests of Australians on drug charges, recent terror attacks on Australia's, the Muslim/Chrisitian culture gap with current tensions and so on.

Australia will probably militarily as weak as its ever been for the next few years as they try and iron out bugs with existing equipment, try and fill dwindling recruitment numbers and replace obsolete equipment. If ever Indonesia had a chance to throw its weight around with a chance at taking on Australia the next seven or so years would be it. If the US is distracted by insurgency and rebuilding in Iraq, Afghanistan, and if Iran is throwing its weight around the middle east then it will be distracted, also with a lot of Australian forces tied up in those areas.

Throw in North Korea taking advantage of of the US being distracted or undergoing some crisis and exploding in war, and/or China maybe making a move on Taiwan and suddenly its all looking pear shaped.

In WW2, Australia was caught short by sending a lot of its forces to fight in Africa and Europe and was caught short when the Japanese came knocking on the door and Britian was too occupied with its own problems to help. Hence Australia's alliance with the USA. However a similar situation could develop if the US is suitably distracted.

I can't see Indonesia invading Australia, but they could definately take over Papua New Guinea and East Timor again with ease before anyone could stop them, they snuck into East Timor before with barely a shout of protest from the world so the above scenario is doable. With the rest of the world concerned with their own problems who would care about a country they barely know of taking over a country they have never heard of on the other side of the world? As resources become tighter it will look more and more enticing, especially if Australia is weak and the US is distracted.

Of course the above is just some idle thinking I was doing about some possible real world worst case scenarios that could happen, it is certainly unlikely (at least for the time being), but still a possibility that deserves some consideration. One shouldn't tempt an enemy with weak defences.

Indonesia is definately a country to keep an eye on.



posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 08:07 AM
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There are already subtle tensions between Australia and Indonesia with the oil and fish stocks in between each country, The 'indonesia lobby' in DFAT, The issue of east timor, recent arrests of Australians on drug charges, recent terror attacks on Australia's, the Muslim/Chrisitian culture gap with current tensions and so on.


This is all very true, but there have been occassions in the past where tensions were even higher and no conflict has resulted. The 1999 Interfet mission in East Timor probably marked an all-time low point in relations between Australia and Indonesia, with forces from both sides even exchanging gunfire at one point (Reference). I believe that if a conflict, armed or otherwise, were going to develop between Australia and Indonesia, it would have happened then. If anything, recent terrorist attacks have done more to strengthen ties between the two nations as our forces seek to co-operate to bring the perpetrators to justice.

As far as Indonesia challenging Australia by making a move on Papua New Guinea or other regional areas, I think this is extremely unlikely. When they annexed East Timor in 1975, they had the tacit approval of both the Australian and US governments. Today it would be difficult to carry out a similar move and not have it look like overt aggression which would warrant a severe reaction by both the United States and Australia. Furthermore, whilst it is true that Indonesia is placing more importance on modernisation of its forces and military expenditure, their military spending is still a fraction of Australia's (Reference). I have seen many simulations of conflicts between Australia and Indonesia, ranging from minor skirmishes over resources to all-out warfare and it is my personal opinion that Indonesia would be extremely foolish to attempt any form of military expansion in the region.

I do, however, agree that Australian military strength is a key factor in ensuring the stability of the south-east Asian region and that its importance must not be overlooked in the future.

[edit on 2/10/05 by Jeremiah25]



posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 08:24 AM
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October 1, 2005:
An explosion rips through a stake bar at Kuta square at 9.30pm (AEST). About 10 minutes later, a second explosion rocks Jimbaran beach about 30km away and at 9.41pm (AEST), Jimbaran is hit by a second blast. At least 32 people are thought to have died and dozens have been injured.
news.ninemsn.com.au...

"The three nearly simultaneous bomb blasts ripped through crowded restaurants in Kuta and Jimbaran on Bali last night.
The attacks come approximately three years after militants linked to Al Qaeda bombed two nightclubs in Bali, killing 202 people including 88 Australians."
www.abc.net.au...




Who dunit? Contradiction number 1
"Mr Howard spoke to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono....Yudhoyono confirmed suicide bombers were likely responsible for the blasts, which have been blamed on the Jemaah Islamiah (JI) terror group responsible for the 2002 Bali attacks.

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Several Australian holidaymakers injured in the blasts had spoken of explosive bags hurled under their tables in the moments before the coordinated attacks, leading to speculation on whether the blasts had been carried out by suicide bombers."

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Enter Suspects, round 1

Metro television, quoting sources at the Bali provincial police headquarters, said that three suspects were being sought in addition to the suicide bombers.

It said the bombers are believed to have used two cars in their operations - a locally-assembled van and a compact car.
news.ninemsn.com.au...




The story begins...
Ansyaad Mbai, the head of the anti-terrorism desk at the security ministry, also says the attacks bear the hallmarks of the Jemaah Islamiah extremist network.

"The modus operandi is very similar to the previous bombings, the use of backpacks, whose remnants were found at the scene of the blasts," he said.

He says the attacks, which ripped through crowded restaurants, were likely to have involved three suicide bombers.

"We found bodies whose heads and legs are missing," he said, suggesting that the extent of the mutilation indicated the bodies belonged to suicide bombers.

Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty also says it is believed three suicide bombers were involved in the blasts, which he says were different from previous bombings.

Asked if the bombs had been hidden inside the restaurant before the blast or carried General Pastika, he said: "We have found a crater on the floor but give us more time so that there is no mistake."

www.abc.net.au...




Sometime's John Howard sounds exactly like he's forgottern that the NWO is ment to be a secret...

""I call it wicked, I call it evil, but I call it conduct ... carried out by people with no scruples or morality."
www.theage.com.au...

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Prime Minister John Howard said the bombing was undoubtedly the work of terrorists trying to undermine democracy in Indonesia.

"If in the process you can kill and maim and frighten Westerners, including Australians, then that is regarded as something of a bonus as far as the terrorists are concerned," Mr Howard told the Nine Network.

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Indonesian expert Greg Fealy, also from ANU, said JI was one of the few groups capable of carrying out a highly coordinated suicide attack.

"The fact that it's a suicide bombing narrows the field a bit," he told AAP.

"There are quite a few groups who are capable of undertaking bombings but there are less that are capable of undertaking highly coordinated suicide bombings, as we have here."

Australian Federal Police will have a key role in the bombing investigation, similar to their involvement in 2002.
news.ninemsn.com.au...





Pacific 'backlash' over Aussie dominance
Pacific expert Gerard Finin, deputy director of the US research organisation the East-West Centre, believes Australia should "lead from behind" in the region rather than try to stand in front and direct.

Australia's position in the region had entered a new era in recent years and the United States recognised it was in many respects a "South Pacific superpower", Finin said in a speech in Port Moresby.
news.ninemsn.com.au...





Bombs designed to destroy Indonesia's economy
The bombs, which exploded near popular restaurants on Saturday evening, were designed to destabilise the country and destroy the tourism industry in the resort island of Bali, he said.

"I think we should see this as primarily an attempt to wreak havoc and cause fear and create instability inside Indonesia," Howard told the Nine Network.

"This is overwhelmingly an attack on democratic Indonesia. The Balinese economy was just recovering from the terrible attack of three years ago and Indonesia of course is now a fully fledged democracy.

"And I see this primarily as an attack on Indonesia and the democratic instincts of the Indonesian people."

(Remind us of the NWO plans again Johnny!)
"That's part of a process -- if you weaken the Balinese economy, and the best way to do that is to frighten the tourists away, then you further weaken the infrastructure of the Indonesian economy," he said.
news.ninemsn.com.au...






Does the NWO reveal itself behind the Terrorist mask?
JAKARTA, Oct. 1 (Xinhuanet) -- Saturday night's bomb blasts in Bali could have link with fuel oil price hikes which were felt by the people as a very heavy burden, the official news agency Antara quoted a political observer as saying.

"I think groups who are unsatisfied with the fuel oil price hike have been behind the explosions, not those who want to shift attention on fuel oil issues," Professor Budiatna, a political observer at the University of Indonesia, said here on Saturday night.

"They pressured (the government) by resorting to terrors. Their message is to lower the fuel oil price or else the terror acts will continue," the observer added.
news.xinhuanet.com...

Someone isn't happy about Indonesia raising it's Oil price
The president added that Indonesia suffered annual losses of 8.8 trillion rupiah ($850m; £468m) from smuggled oil.

A fifth of the nation's budget goes on fuel subsidies. Concern about Indonesia's ability to finance the fuel aid has taken its toll on the economy and investors say plans to cut the cost do not go far enough.

The rupiah has lost more than 10% against the US dollar this year because of economic pressure from soaring world oil prices.
news.bbc.co.uk...





Which branch of the NWO would be involved?
Indonesia's falling oil output is threatening its OPEC membership. The country pumped 940,000 barrels a day in August, according to Bloomberg estimates. That's only 67 percent of the nation's quota of 1.45 million barrels a day set by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

The government plans to replace directors of the state oil company after Purnama rejected a government-brokered agreement to end a dispute with Exxon, Vice President Jusuf Kalla told reporters in Jakarta on Aug. 12, without saying when the meeting is or giving a reason for removing the board. State Enterprises Minister Sugiharto will decide on the new board to take office after the next shareholders' meeting, he said.
www.bloomberg.com...

More wanting a piece of the pie, even more reason to kill their tourism economy so they are forced to sell more resources
South Africa's oil company, PetroSA, could be drilling in Indonesia's oil fields if mineral and energy agreements between the two countries goes ahead, Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, the deputy president, said at Tuynhuys today. "One of the agreements that has been considered most probably will be signed next year (and) is in the area of minerals and energy," she said during a press conference with Jusuf Kalla, the Indonesian vice president, who is on an official visit to the country.
www.sabcnews.com...



posted on Oct, 3 2005 @ 01:55 AM
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I know American's didn't die so it's not really 'important' but still...

There's been some interesting conflicts in reporting the new Bali bombing (which affects Indonesia's economy, affecting Singapore and helping the western oil industry).

Witnesses are saying one thing, the press via officials are saying another.

1. Witness saw bags thrown under tables. - Officials say suicide bombers.
2. Witness says a bomb was found at Hard Rock Cafe - Officials say nothing about that.
3. Asked if bombs were pre-planted due to a crator in the ground - officials say 'too early to determine' or 'suicide bombers'.
4. Tourists say there was a lot of talk about not going out Fri & Sat due to a bomb threat - Officials did nothing about security.
5. Australia's intelligence had NO warning but tourists in Bali days before were being told - there's a MAJOR problem if tourists can find out about these things before 'intelligence' if it's not an intelligence order event.

OPEC is threatening to kick Indonesia out because it's not meeting it's Oil quotas. Indonesia can't afford to raise it's production or open new fields and it can't raise oil prices within the country without hurting it's economy.

Indonesia also owe a half billion pound to the UK which it can't pay back anytime soon.

Exxon amongst other oil companies have been trying to deal with Indonesia in allowing offshore companies to open and start new oil/gas fields.

Tourism in Indonesia is now under threat, their most obvious way out of this financial hole is by bowing to international oil company demands and allowing companies to start drilling and pumping the oil for them.

The same people win again. Extremism is used as the delivery method for the oil companies warning of comply or fall behind. Religion is something you can't talk someone out of so it's a dead-end in trying to 'reason' with extremists. The group JI are 'linked' to Al-Qaeda so it's also a dead-end in trying to find the king pins organising these events.

The circle starts again, the media repeats it's keywords and the governments use these 'examples' of why we need to stop Terror!

The same people win again.



posted on Oct, 3 2005 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by R988

There are already subtle tensions between Australia and Indonesia with the oil and fish stocks in between each country, The 'indonesia lobby' in DFAT, The issue of east timor, recent arrests of Australians on drug charges, recent terror attacks on Australia's, the Muslim/Chrisitian culture gap with current tensions and so on.

Of course the above is just some idle thinking I was doing about some possible real world worst case scenarios that could happen, it is certainly unlikely (at least for the time being), but still a possibility that deserves some consideration. One shouldn't tempt an enemy with weak defences.


Interesting thought but I feel you are way off the mark. The first country that Indonesia asked for assistance from was Australia. The relationship between both countries has moved a long way in the last few years. As for the Australian's arrested in Indonesia most of them deserved to be caught and frankly not too many people down here feel any level of sympathy for them. They deserve their fate, they know the rules in that country.

The real issue with Indonesian stems back as long as the 1940's when the Muslim extremists even then had plans to make Indonesia the largest Muslim nation outside of the middle east. They continue with this plan but they will not win.

As for taking over Papua New Guinea lets give it to them, now that is a basket-case of a country if ever there was one.



posted on Oct, 3 2005 @ 02:27 AM
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TheShroudOfMemphis

Can I ask you where you get some of your information from? There does appear to be some inconsistency between what you are saying and what Australian tourists who are returning home are saying. As for the warnings about possible bombings that is a stand warning in Bali. The Australian Government has also been advising people not to travel to Indonesia unless they really have to, but most do not listen.



posted on Oct, 3 2005 @ 04:55 AM
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Personally, I don't think Indonesia can ever get up to it's feet again. One terror attack after another and to add insult to injury, their economy is worsening by the moment. Price of goods and oil are to increase drastically to make up for the weakening economy. Moreover, because of this, people start to demonstrate and go on riots.

It's like they're back to where they started. I sympathise the Indonesians and Mr Yudhoyono because they never really had a time when peace prevails and modernising was the only thing in their mind. I really sincerely hope they can pick up the pieces and go on. Being economically unstable, terror attack prone, prone to mother nature's wrath, shaky administration and disunited people makes them the most vulnerable country in the world.

I don't really know what will happen to Indonesia in the coming years.



posted on Oct, 3 2005 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by Heartagram
Being economically unstable, terror attack prone, prone to mother nature's wrath, shaky administration and disunited people makes them the most vulnerable country in the world.


This is why I believe the Australian government will not allow Indonesia to descend into chaos and anarchy and why you will see the two nations begin to work together more and more to promote and secure stability in the south-east Asian region. The Australian government has identified regional instability as a primary threat to Australia's national security, above and beyond traditional international military threats (Reference). If the government of Indonesia were to collapse, Australia would face not only a humanitarian crisis in the form of refugees, but also a potential security crisis, given that lawless and leaderless countries may become potential recruiting and training grounds for terrorist organisations.

Before that is allowed to happen, I think that the Australian government would offer military assistance to the Indonesians to assist them in maintaining stability. If they refused, which is a strong possibility, and if it seemed that the country was likely to fall into anarchy, I think Australia would be justified in appealing to the United Nations for the right to occupy Indonesia and restore order.



posted on Oct, 3 2005 @ 07:23 AM
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Federal Health Minister Tony Abbott, most recently known for his joke about a fellow politicians suicide attempt and his follow up comment of having "never claimed to be the world's most sensitive person" just happened to be 'holidaying' in Bali.



Mr Abbott was holidaying with his family in Legian when he was woken at 5am Bali time by a call from his worried sister.

He spent the day touring bomb sites and supporting injured Australians and their families at Sanglah Hospital in Denpasar.
www.heraldsun.news.com.au...


Abbott's holiday will be good for his public image, even thou Australia's health Minister shouldn't really be travelling in Bali with his family when Australia warns against it.



Mr Howard says Australia will review its travel advisory for Indonesia, which currently warns against all non-essential travel.

An upgrade would involve warning against all travel.

Mr Howard says the latest incident has clearly shaken the Australian community.

However, he has assured Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono it will only bring the two countries closer together.
www.abc.net.au...


Tony Abbott must have been doing more than just going on Holiday if his government warns against non-essential travel.

Coincidence is an amazing thing.

I'm sure Australia is just brimming to help Indonesia get back on it's feet considering...



Jakarta is in talks with Russia to buy 48 advanced Sukhoi fighter jets, attack submarines, tanks and sophisticated surface-to-air missile systems.

Indonesia has turned to Moscow after being banned from buying US weapons since 1991, after the Dili massacre.
Australian defence expert Aldo Borgu said Indonesia's proposed purchases could pose a threat to Australia.

"If they bought 48 Sukhois, that would be of concern," he said.

"I have no doubt they want to upgrade their forces.

"They want to protect their claims to their maritime boundaries."

The visit to Russia comes as a parliamentary committee is set to investigate Australia's declining combat edge against Asian air forces.

Indonesia – allied with the Soviet Union in the early 1960s – has set up a special military commission for technical co-operation.
www.thesundaymail.news.com.au...



These terrorist bombings targeted purely at tourists is designed to kill Indonesia's economy booster. Watch the Corporate Vultures start circling Indonesia with Oil/Gas proposals as their way of 'saving' Indonesia's economic downfall - which would also hurt Singapore.

Indonesia is not keeping up with OPECs demands and it owes a half billion pound while building a possible stronger military than Australia's. This is the real problem, not extremism which is only the mule.

Indonesia needs it's feet knocked out so the OPEC nations can get relief from Middle Eastern demands rather than being forced to pick up the slack, especially after America lost a good percentage of it's stash with Katrina.

The tourism is gone, if it's not, then more of these bombings will occur until it is below being a factor to the economy. Indonesia then has little choice but to sell the reserves which it can't afford to explore and drill to OPEC nations to meet it's criteria and even find new reserves.

The same groups controlling the oil in the Middle East will soon be controlling the ones in Indonesia, thou via a business hijack rather than a military one.

Indonesia has a choice right now of trying to dig themselves out of a hole by themselves or taking up the offers by the international business community. The catch 22 is that although it helps pay for their new military gear, it also means they are being held by the balls by the future enemy of their russian/chinese allies.

When you train a group to believe they are working for a level of religion which 'infidels' don't understand or refuse to acknowledge, you can have them do anything for their 'cause'. You can train and fund these groups cheaper and easier than building an army plus you can use them as a cover for your actions. It’s been done since the 8th century under the title of Hassassins.

'Extremist Terrorism' is the perfect alibi that for all the media and government circus that follows, they ALWAYS draw an eventual dead end.

You can't reason with them to begin with - dead end.
You can't corner them to hunt them down - dead end.
You can't trace their compartmentalisation to the top of the chain - dead end.
The two 'Lords', Osama and Abu, if you ever got a link to go this far, are mythical at best - dead end.
They blow themselves up or else are trained to die for their beliefs by execution or life in jail - dead end.
They are simple headlines, graphics, catch phrases for the media to carry, no investigation is needed anymore because government and Intelligence agencies are now the news source for the media - dead end.

Religious extremism is the perfect creation for producing an army to do your bidding for a much easier path toward business success. While you curse and hate those dying for their beliefs, as twisted as they are to us - remember that even they are being controlled by someone and should you be forced to believe it's just a coincidence the same entities eventually end up with the riches and power?

If this can be conceived on a message board, it can easily be achieved by the echelons of this world. What we see on the news is equivalent to what Truman saw on the Truman show. Those behind the scenes are the ones who are putting the terrorists in our little world.




[edit on 3-10-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]



posted on Oct, 3 2005 @ 09:44 PM
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The same old story gets another go, after accusing JI, waiting for someone to claim the attack and then starting the rumors of having caught suspects...

"The Australian government says there is no truth to reports that Indonesian police have arrested a man believed to have helped plan the weekend Bali bombings that killed 22 people, including four Australians."

(They've opted for the most obvious dead end link here to have the investigation go around in circles)

"A senior anti-terrorism official said the investigation was focusing on Islamic militants linked to the al Qaeda network of Osama bin Laden, who have been blamed for previous bombings in the world's most populous Muslim nation."

news.ninemsn.com.au...

- Also interesting to note is that the business markets weren't affected by this attack as if they knew it was coming.

- Suicide bombers with another person calling in the bombs with a mobile is the official explanation. Witnesses say also saw bags thrown under tables and investigation have yet to rule out pre-planted bombs. Why start spreading suicide bomber theory before a full investigation?

"One reason experts link Jemaah Islamiah to the blasts is the use of suicide bombers, typical of their attacks."

But the Modus Operandi is not the same:

Australian police who joined Indonesian counterparts in the hunt said the bombers used different devices than previously.

"What we're working with them on now is the actual make-up of the bomb, they're quite a different bomb to the ones we have seen being used before," Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty told the Nine Network."


Stay tuned to the terrorist group admitting to this attack via a dodgy tape, the public is buying the JI - Al-Qaeda links so all that's needed now is the acceptance speach so the media can move on and the governments can tell us how we should be suspicious of everyone.



posted on Oct, 4 2005 @ 01:31 AM
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Indonesia's national police spokesman Brigadier General Soenarko Danu Ardanto said police had so far identified 39 witnesses they intended to question about the bombings.

He also said detectives had not yet worked out how the suicide bombs were triggered.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Interesting that teh detectives are yet to work out how the bombs were triggered, yet the media are telling us that:
a) it's definitely JI linked to Al-Qaeda
b) They were suicide bombers
c) The bombs were triggered by another person with a mobile phone

Again, the media somehow seem to believe they can create their own version of events to fit the Western ideals of what Terrorism is and who's ultimately behind it.

Another attack to get us nowhere but backward due to the media playing 'the game'.



posted on Oct, 4 2005 @ 01:43 AM
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TheShroudOfMemphis

Okay, so why don't you tell us what you believe the purpose of this latest round of attacks is? Who do feel is behind them and what evidence do you have to support this claim? Is it not perhaps possible that Jemaah Islamiah really was behind these attacks, as well as the attacks that have occurred since 2002? After all, their goal is to destablise the Indonesian Government and replace the democracy with an Islamic caliphate that would operate under their particular blend of extremism. This seems like a logical way to go about achieving such a goal. Why then do you believe they are not responsible?



posted on Oct, 4 2005 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
Federal Health Minister Tony Abbott, most recently known for his joke about a fellow politicians suicide attempt and his follow up comment of having "never claimed to be the world's most sensitive person" just happened to be 'holidaying' in Bali.

Abbott's holiday will be good for his public image, even thou Australia's health Minister shouldn't really be travelling in Bali with his family when Australia warns against it.

[edit on 3-10-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]


Ummm, maybe our health minister stopped in Bali after visiting Indo as the Aus government donated a substancial number of bird flu vaccines to Indonesia just a few weeks ago. Cant really condemn him for that, seen as if it gets contractable to humans its going to be a pandemic. Bali's hospitals have been improved second to none through Australia's involvment since the attacks in 2002, him being the health minister probably had alot of input, he as with 1000's of other Australians have a REAL spritual connection with the place and its people, yeah im sure he is rubbing his monetary/political hands together for whatever reason you are trying to get at??



posted on Oct, 4 2005 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
- Also interesting to note is that the business markets weren't affected by this attack as if they knew it was coming.


LOL, what are you implying that all the Indonesian Cpatains of business were informed that there was going to be an attack - that really is just stupid.
It may surprise you but INdonesia has had many bombings over the last few years. These bombs in Bali are nothing new to them. The only reason there is such a stink about it is because it's a place where western tourists go.
I don't see how it would possibly affect their economy, Bali isn't relly that important to GDP.



- Suicide bombers with another person calling in the bombs with a mobile is the official explanation. Witnesses say also saw bags thrown under tables and investigation have yet to rule out pre-planted bombs. Why start spreading suicide bomber theory before a full investigation?


I haven't heard anyone saying that people threw in bags
I have senn one bit of evidence which does point to suicide bombers. That is a video taken inside one of the restaurants with the possible suiced bomber walking in with a backpack. Seconds later he blows himslef up.




Stay tuned to the terrorist group admitting to this attack via a dodgy tape, the public is buying the JI - Al-Qaeda links so all that's needed now is the acceptance speach so the media can move on and the governments can tell us how we should be suspicious of everyone.


Geez take a step back, not everything is a conspiracy by the west, LMAO.



posted on Oct, 4 2005 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by Jeremiah25
Is it not perhaps possible that Jemaah Islamiah really was behind these attacks, as well as the attacks that have occurred since 2002? After all, their goal is to destablise the Indonesian Government and replace the democracy with an Islamic caliphate that would operate under their particular blend of extremism. This seems like a logical way to go about achieving such a goal. Why then do you believe they are not responsible?


Some sense at last. There are sections of JI with the express purpose of destablising and why some can not just accept that fact is beyond me.

As for Tony Abbott and his family being on holiday in Bali there is no conspiracy in that. Like so many others they are just trying to get on and live their lives like many of us and in doing so not curtailing to terrorists. I say good on him and his family - what is happening in Bali isn't the fault of the Balinese who are lovely peaceful people just trying to earn a living and they need our support.



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