Police State is coming

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Pentagon begins review of law on military's domestic role

By Megan Scully, CongressDaily

The Pentagon has begun what might become a historic review of a post-Reconstruction-era law that bars the military from participating in domestic law enforcement activities, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., said Monday.

During a brief telephone conversation Monday afternoon, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld informed Warner that department officials are examining the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act to determine whether revisions are needed to give the military police powers during major domestic disasters. Under that law, the active-duty military can participate in humanitarian relief missions, but are prohibited from making arrests or conducting searches or seizures.
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Rumsfeld and several lawmakers opposed efforts to revise Posse Comitatus after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, arguing that it is not the military's job to conduct arrests, searches or seizures on U.S. soil.

But a sweeping statement made earlier this month by President Bush has renewed the national debate over whether the military is better equipped than local law enforcement to maintain order under extreme circumstances.

During a Sept. 15 speech in New Orleans that laid out initiatives in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, Bush said he wanted a

Those remarks came a day after Warner urged a Pentagon review of Posse Comitatus, prompting questions from lawmakers about whether the "broader role" for the military during domestic disasters. He revealed few specifics, other than to say the Defense Department is "the institution of our government most capable of massive logistical operations on a moment's notice."president wants to give the military police powers during a major natural disaster.

Over the weekend, Bush said he had talked with U.S. Northern Command officials about whether the military should take the lead role in any initial response to a major disaster.

And the president attempted again Monday to clarify his Sept. 15 statement, saying he wants to begin a "robust discussion" about how the federal government can best respond to disasters and other major events on U.S. soil, including how to make better use of military personnel and equipment.

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Bush did not discuss Posse Comitatus in particular, but hinted that revisions to laws might be necessary to change how the military can respond to natural disasters.

"I don't want to prejudge the Congress's discussion on this issue, because it may require a change of law," Bush said.

Congress is still awaiting details from the Defense Department on any proposal to expand the military's domestic role, Warner said.




Hitler's Enabling Act

On March 23, 1933, the newly elected members of the German Parliament (the Reichstag) met in the Kroll Opera House in Berlin to consider passing Hitler's Enabling Act. It was officially called the 'Law for Removing the Distress of the People and the Reich.' If passed, it would effectively mean the end of democracy in Germany and establish the legal dictatorship of Adolf Hitler.

The 'distress' had been secretly caused by the Nazis themselves in order to create a crisis atmosphere that would make the law seem necessary to restore order. On February 27, 1933, they had burned the Reichstag building, seat of the German government, causing panic and outrage. The Nazis successfully blamed the fire on the Communists and claimed it marked the beginning of a widespread uprising.

On the day of the vote, Nazi storm troopers gathered in a show of force around the opera house chanting, "Full powers - or else! We want the bill - or fire and murder!!" They also stood inside in the hallways, and even lined the aisles where the vote would take place, glaring menacingly at anyone who might oppose Hitler's will.

Just before the vote, Hitler made a speech to the Reichstag in which he pledged to use restraint.

"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one." - Hitler told the Reichstag.

He also promised an end to unemployment and pledged to promote peace with France, Great Britain and the Soviet Union. But in order to do all this, Hitler said, he first needed the Enabling Act.

A two thirds majority was needed, since the law would actually alter the German constitution. Hitler needed 31 non-Nazi votes to pass it. He got those votes from the Center Party after making a false promise to restore some basic rights already taken away by decree.

However, one man arose amid the overwhelming might. Otto Wells, leader of the Social Democrats stood up and spoke quietly to Hitler.

"We German Social Democrats pledge ourselves solemnly in this historic hour to the principles of humanity and justice, of freedom and socialism. No enabling act can give you power to destroy ideas which are eternal and indestructible."

This enraged Hitler and he jumped up to respond.

"You are no longer needed! - The star of Germany will rise and yours will sink! Your death knell has sounded!"

The vote was taken - 441 for, only 84, the Social Democrats, against. The Nazis leapt to their feet clapping, stamping and shouting, then broke into the Nazi anthem, the Hörst Wessel song.

They achieved what Hitler had wanted for years - to tear down the German Democratic Republic legally and end democracy, thus paving the way for a complete Nazi takeover of Germany.

From this day on, the Reichstag would be just a sounding board, a cheering section for Hitler's pronouncements.




"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one." - Hitler told the Reichstag.

Bush has had numerous quotes similiar to the one above.

Let's see both Hitler and Bush said they would only use the military in the worst disasters. Hitler lied. Will Bush lie to? Most probly yes.

Welcome to the Police State of America.

Does everybody support this latter day fascist except UFObeliever and me?

I'm completely baffled. This thread gets no replies while the ATS conspiracy whackos run around whining about Freemasons and owls at Bohemian Grove. Wake up folks the conspiracy is right under your freaking noses.
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I've been ranting and raving on this topic for some time now. It seems so obvious, the possibility for disaster, the probability even. In fact, I've made several posts warning of this, including offering a scenario in which this could happen. Nobody comments though, for some reason.

Actually, I recall recently being at a nearby park where I heard some kid (must've been 14 or 15) utter the words "America is the greatest nation on the planet because it's a democracy. For the people, by the people." I corrected him, informing him officially the nation is a representative-democracy, or more accurately, a republic. I then explained to him how unofficially and truthfully, it's more likely it's a (two party) dictatorship. I even went as far as to explain to him all the terrible things the United States has done and is doing, that isn't generally reported.

Surprisingly he stood there in silence as I lectured to him about the Patriot Act, US nuclear weapons use in Iraq and Afghanistan, NORTHCOM and FEMA, detainment camps, various civil rights abuse, corruption and secrets, the failure of US Congress to properly execute its role, etc etc. What must've been thirty minutes later, I had given him a good idea as to what was truly going on, what America really was. Can you guess as to what his response was? "...but we get to vote," he said. In shock I paused for a moment, then stated "Yes, we get to vote" followed by turning around and walking away. At that moment I realized you can't stop this when it requires a genuine interest in truth and a mental capacity to understand what you're reading or hearing, and of course, people are programmed from early childhood to believe the United States is the greatest (and fairest) nation on the Earth, and will always remain as such.

I figure we stuck our head through the door which brings us to the Information Age, but never walked through that door. We're in the age of paranoia and misplaced trust. What age comes next, you think? The age of tyranny and oppression, perhaps?

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This is very chilling. It is as if the era of Natizism is trying to be created again, except more overtly than when Hitler took over. When the day comes for a police state, most people will be dumb struck and only ask questions after the fact.

Sky you are so right. Many can't think for themselves. The Bible written over 2000 years ago perdicted that in the latter days knowledge will increase greatly, but wisdom will be lacking. To think that adults take the attitude such as the kid you talked with really makes me wonder. Will they even think to ask what laws have passed to make a police state possible? Will they ask when and how those laws were passed? Or will they just say ok, if you say so, where do you want me to go and what do you want me to do? As their school training starts to kick in with obeying, not thinking, and never asking.

Having the military activated quickly and coordinated on a federal level, rather than having various state governments and agencies have to communicate with one another to implement the military policing, is a far cry from nazism. Its these calls of nazism that are precisely why no one is really paying attention to these things.

Folks, my suggestion is: don't look at the way the information is being presented here, look instead at the information being presented and give some serious thought to the possible consequences.

I have lived my entire life by a philosophy of plan for the worst, hope for the best, that has made me ready to handle most of the trials and tribulations that have come my way. I suggest that some of you should adopt this philosophy toward the Posse Comitatus Act. Human nature will become involved and sooner or later someone is going to see a way to use (abuse?) any given situation for their gain.

Do I see this as a huge conspiracy with the worst case scenario as the planned result? No.
Do I see this as opening the door for the worst case scenario to happen? YES!
Could I be wrong in my views? Absolutely and I hope I am.

My final thought: Why should we open up the possibility for terrible wrong-doings when we don't need to?

Heh, I think somebody --forget his name-- once said something like "Learn to shoot and clean a gun." =)