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Iran attempting to oust IAEA

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cjf

posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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This attempted action has received only a small brief in the NY Times!?



IRAN: MOVE TO END U.N. NUCLEAR CHECKS Parliament voted to fast track a bill that would end inspections of the country's nuclear sites by the International Atomic Energy Agency in retaliation for the agency's resolution to report the country to the United Nations Security Council for violating the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. It could be a few weeks before the bill is prepared and approved. Later, hundreds of university students pelted the British Embassy with rocks and tomatoes to protest Britain's role in drafting the atomic energy agency's resolution, the ISNA news agency reported. Nazila Fathi (NYT)


Has anyone seen/read any further coverage on this topic?

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posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 02:20 PM
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If the IAEA gets the boot, war is not far behind, trust me.

Iran openly admitted it will share nuclear tech with Arab nations last week, if this week they try to throw out the IAEA, "its" about to hit the fan in a big way.

Hey NR, hope you have your Kevlar skivies on because its about to get harsh where you live.


See you at boot camp folks, then on to downtown Tehran...



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 02:27 PM
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iran and like all other nations have a right to nuclear energy
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didnt the united states want to build a reactor for the iranians during the sha's? or are they pissed now that the russians are doing?

also didnt they state they would allow close video watch on their rectors?




[edit on 29-9-2005 by bodrul]


cjf

posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
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Iran openly admitted it will share nuclear tech with Arab nations last week, if this week they try to throw out the IAEA, "its" about to hit the fan in a big way.
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I read the ‘quip’ this morning and expected to hear more about it later in the day as the article was in printed post (later especially from FOX etc.) or from ATSNN.

Yesterday Iran threatened ‘economic retaliation’ if she was to be referred to the UN for sanctions and a 22/35 yea-vote came back from the IAEA signatory nations to recommend her to the UN the same day (yesterday). This also came with little/no news coverage.

This is a rapid transition into absolute disintegration if true, yet reliable standard new sources such as Reuters and AP are not producing any information.


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posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 02:41 PM
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even if Iran be referred to the UN for sanctions they have played their cards right with Russia and china who have alot to lose if Iran is under santions, so Iran has nothing to fear about the threat of sanctions as it has those 2 that can veto it


and its very doubtfull the US will invade
with all the mess its in with Iraq and Afganistan
and fixing new orleans (bad spelling)


also what rule is there against sharing nuclear knowledge for suvilian puposes?



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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I expect the Iranians are very frustrated.

They have been totaley open and let the IEAA full access and still they are accused of trying to get nuclear weapons.

Still hasn't worked has it. As someone said, sharing nuclear technology with other Arab nations is perfectley acceptable within the regulations. So whats the problem?

As for war, lets face it, some people love the idea and there is lots of money to be made from it.

Personnally I am sick of all the BS coming from the accusers, its pathetic. If our countrys decide to invade, if I am honest, I hope WE get our arses kicked. We would deserve it.

There is still zero evidence Iran is doing anything that it not purely for nuclear energy.



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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by Kriz_4:
They have been totaley open and let the IEAA full access and still they are accused of trying to get nuclear weapons.

Hold on there....

IAEA Says Iran Failed to Disclose Key Nuclear Activities

Calling it “a matter of serious concern,” the report also revealed that Iran failed to declare in October that it had conducted research and development on a centrifuge of a type more advanced than the one it had been using in its recently-disclosed enrichment facilities.


They did not acknowledge the existence of certain facilities nor projects
geared towards enrichment.

Non Disclosure

The IAEA has been investigating Iran's nuclear programme for three years and claims that the government has failed to disclose some weapons-related activities.


IMO they [Iran] have been presented with an opportunity to persue nuclear energy [power generation] with financial and logistics assistance from several nations, but have remained steadfast in going it alone.

If there's nothing to hide, and it's all the generation of electricity, then why not full disclosure?

That is all the IAEA has requested.

[edit on 9/29/2005 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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I agree totally Kriz, apart from innuendo and bluster, there is still no evidence of a nuclear weapons program.
IAEA reports have stated this but, being a political organisation driven by backroom wheeling and dealing rather than facts and the truth, the IAEA/UN will still bow to pressure to provide a carefully worded report that can be open to interpretation.

Proof of wrongdoing and NNPT non-compliance must lie with the accusers and credible evidence produced to the rest of the world in order for those accusations to be taken seriously.


cjf

posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by Britguy
Proof of wrongdoing and NNPT non-compliance must lie with the accusers and credible evidence produced to the rest of the world in order for those accusations to be taken seriously.


Given the strict guidelines the IAEA follow while in a NPT signatory host country; how does one obtain your idea of proof?

It is a two way street. The IAEA Dec '04 Board of Governors Report on Iran is extremely damning without outside inferrences or inuendos.

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posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by 12m8keall2c

IMO they [Iran] have been presented with an opportunity to persue nuclear energy [power generation] with financial and logistics assistance from several nations, but have remained steadfast in going it alone.

If there's nothing to hide, and it's all the generation of electricity, then why not full disclosure?

That is all the IAEA has requested.

[edit on 9/29/2005 by 12m8keall2c]


i recall reading on the bbc news site and watching it
on the news Iran have told other nations that they are welcome to help with their nuclear power stations,

also if this is about them importing the materials that can be mined and made in Iran isnt it more cost effective for them to be self suffitiant then to rely on other nations to provide them with it?



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 09:00 PM
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Iran has been offered reactors and the fuel to run them by the EU.

EU offers Iran nuclear link-up

EUROPE has offered to allow Western companies to build nuclear power stations in Iran and supply fuel for them if Tehran ended its nuclear research programme


Preliminary analysis of E3/EU proposal to Iran

The offers:
The significant EU incentives appear to be:

1. Granting access to "the international nuclear technologies market where contracts are awarded on the basis of open competitive tendering" to which Iran has hitherto been barred and allowing Iran to export nuclear technology under certain controls.

2. A draft EU/Iran Trade and Cooperation agreement and Political Dialogue Agreement.

3. An assured supply of nuclear fuel for Iranian reactors from Russia, based on a unspecified framework to be negotiated.

4. Unspecified support for the development of Iran's civil nuclear programme, and negotiations on an agreement between Iran and EURATOM.

5. A general commitment to work with Iran to develop regional security arrangements and confidence-building measures, which could prove of value to Iran.

6. Continued support for Iranian accession to the WTO.


At first they seemed willing to accept but then had a change of heart and reverted to their hard line stance of [paraphrased] "We will go it alone".

Again, If their interests are solely for nuclear generation of power [electricity], then why withhold information pertaining to certain projects, locations, and facilites from IAEA inspections?

When presented with Choice "A" or Choice "B" would you have to be a rocket scientist to make a logical decision?

A: You will be provided with reactor(s) and the fuel with which to run said reactor(s), in return for monitoring operation of said facilities.

B: You continue on your current "We'll go it alone" approach [paraphrased] and risk at the least UN sanctions, plus the economic and financial burden of all related costs.

It would seem that anyone with any measurable amount of grey matter could make this decision.

I can understand that Iran wishes to continue upon the path that they have sought to date yet, we are not talking about the production of a commodity or an export, the topic at hand is nuclear which may ultimately entail weaponry. Iran has been given the opportunity for full disclosure of their nuclear activities and, based upon the findings of the IAEA, they have not demonstrated such. Therefore, it's only prudent that Iran accept the EU's offer or risk the implementation of appropriate sanctions, etc..

IMO to think that their "saving grace" will be the Soviet states or China is likened to risking the whole ideal on a roll of the dice.



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 10:33 PM
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Israeli statement after its attack on the Osirak nuclear facility near Baghdad in June, 1981:



Under no circumstances will we allow an enemy to develop weapons of mass destruction against our people.


dont think youre gonna have to worry about a US attack on Iran.



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Kriz_4
They have been totaley open and let the IEAA full access and still they are accused of trying to get nuclear weapons.


The Iranians have not been fully open nor have they given the IAEA full access.
As a matter of fact, the IAEA has been repeatedly denied access to those underground bunker nuclear research facilities [ie: their clandestine nuclear programs] that Iran has a number of, which can be readily found on FAS or globalsecurity.org. The only full access that the IAEA has been granted by the Iranians is of their public nuclear programs.

So Irans "frustration" is over what, exactly?
That the IAEA is refering them to the Security Council or that their nuclear programs are being looked at?




seekerof


cjf

posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
The Iranians have not been fully open nor have they given the IAEA full access.
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As a matter of fact, the IAEA has been repeatedly denied access to those underground bunker nuclear research facilities ......


Exactly.

From the recent IAEA Meetings: (Excerpts from large article)



Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran

For the past two and a half years, the Agency has been investigating the nature and extent of Iran´s nuclear programme, with a view to assuring ourselves that all past activities have been declared to the Agency, and that all nuclear material and activities in the country are under safeguards. Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material, its processing and its use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material had been processed and stored.
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This is, however, a special verification case that requires additional transparency measures as a prerequisite for the Agency to be able to reconstruct the history and nature of all aspects of Iran´s past nuclear activities, and to compensate for the confidence deficit created. By promptly responding to these Agency requests, Iran would well serve both its interests and those of the international community.
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The Board has continued to devote considerable attention to the implementation of Iran´s NPT safeguards agreement. Last week, the Board adopted a resolution that, inter alia, found Iran to be in noncompliance with its safeguards agreement, and urged Iran to implement the transparency measures to which I have referred. I will continue to call on Iran to do its utmost to work with the Agency and the international community, to provide assurance that its nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes.
September 26, 2005, Staments from IAEA General Conference




...providing the required assurances about Iran´s nuclear programme; and continuing to investigate the nature and extent of the illicit procurement network. In addition, he pointed out the need to arrest the dissemination of sensitive fuel cycle activities and to develop a framework for their multilateral management
September 26, 2005, IAEA News


Iran has not cooperated fully, has a nearly two decades long history of cladestine developement and chooses to continue not to cooperate.

Iran is not the only entity that is becoming frustrated. Currently, as it seems, it is Iran drawing the line in the sand.



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