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Originally posted by Alias Jones
If my childern where to be murdered in conflict, or otherwise, their bodies photographed and posted on the internet , I would not be happy about it. That being said , personally I would avenge their deaths to the best of my ability, regardless of law , and in the most heinous fashion possible. This is my way, a personal way illegal or not , I would hunt down those responsible, or those affiliated with those responsible and exact revenge in the mose sadistic way I could think of.
However - this conflict is state sponsored . moral or not , legal or not , the truth is still the truth. The dead are still dead, and the agony of loss is still agony - it doesn't matter from which side you are on, war is conflict in it's most animalistic sense, attrition is not a consequence of actions, it is rather the chief tactic of men in suits at desks thousands of miles removed from the smell of the rotting dead.
Originally posted by msnevil
Has anybody actually been to those sites? (Or do we all cast judgment by hear say?)
Yes, I have and they are degrading. The soldiers gloat of their kills, and state things like "A good Iraqi is a dead Iraqi".
They like somebody else stated "dehumanize" the enemy. (Much like "A good Kraut is a dead Kraut". Of the past.) They are trained killers. Trained in the art of War. And War is their passion. They are also usually mere kids out of high school. And all the immaturity that goes with it.
I am too old. When I see the enemy, I start thinking "Does he have kids like me, a wife, etc?" Thus, I humanize the enemy. (And have a hard time dealing with any "pics" of dead people. Especially if there are kids in it.)
The Kid soldiers are full of themselves, out to conquer the world, And the politicians take advantage of that. They fight our wars so that we can be free or enslave others. Depending on your belief system.
Its not a liberal world of Utopia out there. And even the most “Socialist” Nation have Trained killers. Like the French legion.
(BTW- I saw pics of dead people when I was a kid. WWII, Korea, Vietnam. I see dead people all the time in my work profession. I will never be “Used” to it. But I manage. )
By dehumanizing the enemy and gloating over the corpse. Is a way of dealing with “Death”. It is a necessary evil. And all the armchair peace nicks here including me. Need to realize that.
Keep the pics up, But limit it to “Adults” only.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
There is no excuse for this; no excuse at all. These people have lost their souls to the point where they give photos of destroyed physical bodies for photos of girls who are destroying their souls so that others can pursue lewd thoughts.
Originally posted by silentlonewolf
TC not sure if this was mentioned on the third page, but the subject title is a little misleading. These pictures are not used for porn. What the soldiers did was trade these pictures for free access to pay-perview a porn site. Still doesn't make anything right, just thought I'd clear that up.
Originally posted by msnevil
Respectfully, You have never "watched" the Video's nor seen the comments have you.
War is Barbaric, and those who play the game know it well. Perhaps you are "Trained" by the media to believe war can be played with certain rules.
But I tell you the truth. If a Torture interrogation can lead about the saving of Soldiers. The respective country will try it.""""
Originally posted by msnevil
1st- The US along with Vietnam both committed atrocities.
Yes, but the difference is we were in their country and they were defending their soil. Similar to our American Revolution in that sense.
2nd- The US justifies its Wars by the Communist domino theory-Vietnam and Terrorist Domino theory-Iraq.
Yes and communism is so very scary isn't it? Let me ask you, when did a communist ever harm you or even the U.S.? It's just another bogeyman for the elite to work up the masses with to justify spending 56% of our undesignated budget on military industrial complex crap. This, rather than provide for national health care (God forbid) or invest the money into our national infrastructure such as increasing public transportation, etc., etc., etc.
So while you might call it a “unjust” war. Others would tend to differ with you.. Plus ridding the world of a insane dictator who gasses his own people. etc.
Very nice. But he was our dictator just like the Shah of Iran was our dictator for many years. We armed him. We didn't care about his gassing of Kurds until 10 or so years after the fact when we decided he would be the next bogeyman. We've supported henchmen for decades from Pinochet on down the line.
3rd-“the war designed to transfer the public treasury to the pockets of Bush's corporate supporters?”
Why? The proof is in the no bid contracts. I thought we were a free market economy? There's nothing free marked about no bid contracts for cronies.
4th- Most Iraqis would prefer limited US occupation over Saddam’s regime. Then you can see the powder Keg. That is Iraq.
Saddam is in captivity and his regime is gone. No Iraqi wants US occupation. The Iraqis want the US out now. And in any event, it is not up to the Iraqi citizens to determine US foreign policy. Unless the name is Chalabi of course. Even Republicans are now calling for a pullout.
5th- To Censor such avenue's of escape. Would be detrimental for society's well being and personal Freedom. (BTW- I'm libertarian.)
I am not advocating for censorship. I am advocating for humanity. There is nothing humane about the photo's or their posting. It is demeaning to us all. It mocks the project and the participants. It has no purpose other than that. It is juvenile. For this reason alone the military should prohibit it.