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Is NASA pro-alien?

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posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 12:27 PM
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Reading through the usual run of ufo threads today, I was thinking of what an enormous benefit NASA would get by the mere suggestion that extra-terrestrial life exists. I think the biggest enemy to NASA is the general public, who at the polls decide the future of the space program. If we get space-happy, I think the government is more willing to fund (with the 1950's and 1980's being prime example). Conversely, if there is less of a need or a disaster, then down goes the funding from the federal budget that year.

Therefore, if the public is for the programs, the government will financially back the programs and presto! NASA can thrive in science and research. What better way to do that than to say "look! aliens!"
? Your thoughts please?

[edit on 28-9-2005 by saint4God]




posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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Yes, well, unless they have been turned into a huge smokescreen for what they were able to find out about aliens.

I believe this is precisely what has happened - and I know people who work at NASA.

(and I don't think most of the people working at NASA know the truth - in some ways NASA, like many military operations, is very compartmentalized)



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 12:12 PM
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Oddly enough, they don't really have to be pro-alien...at least insofar as "sentient" alien life.

If they can just spark the interest that life (of ANY kind) exists on places like Mars, etc., then the imagination is lit. I believe this may have been the impetus behind their not so long ago announcement of the likelihood of water on Mars... That and successes spurred the White House to concentrate more on Space Exploration, at least until all of the other crap hit the fan, and such goals were out of the limelight, and on the back burner......



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 12:26 PM
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publicly or privately ?



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by toasted
publicly or privately ?


I dunno, can I hear your theory on both?

[edit on 29-9-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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Are you kidding me? If NASA found signs of any life on Mars or wherever attainable with a probe/rover this would boost NASA's interest with the public way up and could result in an increase in funds from the legislature. Extra-terrestial biological entities would be the best thing since the liquid propelled rocket to have happened for NASA.

I think that as a whole they are not so much pro-alien as they are just pro-exploration, they'll take anything they can get (shorelines on Titan, etc). But I wouldn't put it past you to say that many of the men and women who work there are pro-alien...in some way.



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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NASA's entire commission [as an appendage of the DoD] is to obfuscate and surpress proof of extraterrestrial life. NASA's theoretical windfall of extra "funding" should not be confused with some lottery jackpot; NASA personnel are on salary, not commission, so this big increase in funding if it ever came would not be passed on to the employees would it
sorry. my cynicism got the better of me. what i am trying to say is NASA consists of a carefully structured heirarchy in which people follow orders, and there is lots of data that is in lockdown until the DoD says we little people are worthy of seeing it. you can thank the brookings study 50 years ago for this perpetual blackout of news concerning E.T. life........and i don't see it ending anytime soon.



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 05:56 PM
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Exactly!!

Sorry if this busts your bubble Frosty...

Oh, and just so you know Fox News - isn't always so "fair and balanced" either.



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by victor was right
NASA's entire commission [as an appendage of the DoD] is to obfuscate and surpress proof of extraterrestrial life. NASA's theoretical windfall of extra "funding" should not be confused with some lottery jackpot; NASA personnel are on salary, not commission, so this big increase in funding if it ever came would not be passed on to the employees would it
sorry. my cynicism got the better of me. what i am trying to say is NASA consists of a carefully structured heirarchy in which people follow orders, and there is lots of data that is in lockdown until the DoD says we little people are worthy of seeing it. you can thank the brookings study 50 years ago for this perpetual blackout of news concerning E.T. life........and i don't see it ending anytime soon.


What exactly is your point? That people at NASA cannot hire new employees to work on new projects? I hate to say it but with an increase in funds comes an increase in projects which can be carried out. These extra projects spell out extra jobs for not only NASA employees but for private contractors.

Once again, DOD has nothing to do with NASA. Continue to smoke the crackpipe all you want about your 'DoD covers up NASA information'. NASA's budget DOES NOT come from the DoD, it is very separate.

The people working at NASA are like you and I, they have nothing to hide, and there are way to many people that would have accesss to such information to keep it hidden.





Originally posted by TruthMagnet
Exactly!!

Sorry if this busts your bubble Frosty...

Oh, and just so you know Fox News - isn't always so "fair and balanced" either.



I don't watch Fox News and have no idea why you say this. But do continue to hit the pipe with your friends.



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God
Reading through the usual run of ufo threads today, I was thinking of what an enormous benefit NASA would get by the mere suggestion that extra-terrestrial life exists. I think the biggest enemy to NASA is the general public, who at the polls decide the future of the space program. If we get space-happy, I think the government is more willing to fund (with the 1950's and 1980's being prime example). Conversely, if there is less of a need or a disaster, then down goes the funding from the federal budget that year.

Therefore, if the public is for the programs, the government will financially back the programs and presto! NASA can thrive in science and research. What better way to do that than to say "look! aliens!"
? Your thoughts please?

[edit on 28-9-2005 by saint4God]


I am an employee of NASA (KSC, electrostatics and surface physics), and I have to make a few comments.

First and foremost, if there is any proof of aliens from other worlds, I am out of the loop...and I think most employees are then. I really highly doubt NASA has anything that supports the notion. I've never seen it, and if someone else did, you bet it would go around, people chirp like canaries, lesson #1 you have to learn in life.

Second, if they did, it would be a totally unknown reaction of the general population. No one can really say NASA would get more money...I wish they did personally, but the money goes to other government projects, of which are probably more interesting than life at NASA. In industry, you must know, that things rarely progress...some days you are sitting down and twiddling your thumbs. Sometimes, even astronauts are uninteresting and dry...


Those are my opinions, take 'em or leave 'em.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 12:09 AM
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Responding to this quote: "I don't think most of the people working at NASA know the truth" -



Personally I dont think that any of you know the truth. Aliens are already here on this plant living among us. Yes they even work at NASA They will reveal themselves when the time is right. Until then just know Aliens do live among us in out everyday life. Trust me...



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 01:36 AM
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Is NASA pro alien?...Lets hope so
Is NASA covering things up, like aliens...Most Likely

I have a question for you, witch is NASA most likely to find aliens? or Jesus?

peace



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by T_Jesus
I am an employee of NASA (KSC, electrostatics and surface physics), and I have to make a few comments.


Welcome! Sounds like fascinating work if you'd care to share what that means. I only had the required physics in college for a Biology major.


Originally posted by T_Jesus
First and foremost, if there is any proof of aliens from other worlds, I am out of the loop...and I think most employees are then. I really highly doubt NASA has anything that supports the notion. I've never seen it, and if someone else did, you bet it would go around, people chirp like canaries, lesson #1 you have to learn in life.


Hehe, true dat. I'm just wondering if there's any implied suggestions to the general public that there are.


Originally posted by T_Jesus
Second, if they did, it would be a totally unknown reaction of the general population. No one can really say NASA would get more money...I wish they did personally, but the money goes to other government projects, of which are probably more interesting than life at NASA. In industry, you must know, that things rarely progress...some days you are sitting down and twiddling your thumbs. Sometimes, even astronauts are uninteresting and dry...


Those are my opinions, take 'em or leave 'em.


That makes sense totally. I was wondering more subtley, when intereviewed, if the Public Relations specialist would answer the question to "Do you believe life exists beyond earth?" to be either "It's certainly possible, yes
" or "we haven't discovered any evidence to suggest that to be the case". There are some people here on ATS from what I've seen that are on the notion that NASA images are enhanced 'for our viewing pleasure', to make them more sensational. I don't know if that's true or not, but motivating the public would result in a more positive mental attitude towards government funding than originals or answers like "we haven't discovered any evidence for alien life".

As an aside:
I've been a NASA fan as long as I can remember and think we need to devote more resources, not less, considering other programs that are currently getting a nicer slice of the pie. I see corporate lobbying seeming to have the edge because of the money and it hardly seems fair.

I know it's been pitched before, but being from NASA maybe you could share a little insight. Do you think NASA would benefit from being able to use resources like sponsorships and commercial activities? Also, do you feel we're losing our competitive edge globally in the space program?

[edit on 30-9-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
I have a question for you, witch is NASA most likely to find aliens? or Jesus?


"Seek and you shall find". Now who was it that said that again?



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 11:33 AM
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Can we please keep this thread on topic.

Thanks.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 11:48 AM
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T_Jesus,

I have friends that work at NASA and, like you, have no knowledge of any suspicious goings on.

They have made it clear that NASA is compartmentalized so there are lots of other projects or parts of NASA which they have no access to.

To me, that makes sense - even from just a national security perspective.

Now if I may ask - what are your opinions of whistelblowers like:

1) Astronauts Gordon Cooper and Dr. Edgar Mitchell who both have suggested that NASA IS covering up UFO phenomenna and knowledge

and

2) Joseph Gutheinz - former NASA contractor - who claimed that NASA actually stored alien bodies right next to Building 265 which he worked in.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'


To me their testimony, along with my discussions with current NASA employees, seems to suggest that keeping a secret in NASA is far from impossible - due to its compartmentalized structure - and the peer pressure to not seem like a "kook".

We see much of this same pressure among astronomers and pilots as well, and I think that it makes sense - why speak up if it will jeopardize your career?

Anyways I would be most ebliged to hear your opinions on this.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 12:17 PM
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Found it!

Now, think about being unbiased, then read:

planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov...

Some highlights:
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The search begins...

Are we alone?

In our time, advances in science and technology have brought us to the threshold of finding an answer to this timeless question.

Finally, the Terrestrial Planet Finder will build upon the legacy of all that have gone before it. With an imaging power 100 times greater than the Hubble Space Telescope, Terrestrial Planet Finder will send back the first photographs of nearby planetary systems.

We will analyze the atmospheres of these distant worlds, looking for carbon dioxide, water and ozone. The substantial presence of all three gasses would suggest that life is present.

Such a discovery would at last provide convincing evidence that we are not alone.

We will have found another Earth.


Artist's concept of an Earth-like planet

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Looks like NASA is E.T. hungry to me, what do you think?


[edit on 30-9-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 02:16 PM
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Any scientist with half a brain knows that extraterrestrial life pretty much has to exist in some way or another.

Pretty much nobody ever listens to any scientist.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 04:01 PM
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I'm going to attempt to answer questions asked, if I missed them, ask again. I just want to make it clear I am no way, shape, or form in any position of power...I'm just your typical guy who happens to enjoy physics.

First and foremost on the issues of money benefitting NASA...well, I'd have to say it depends on politics completely. If the government wants to broaden NASA's goals, more money is needed. As of right now, however, the amount of money they're receiving is sufficient enough to meet goals (unfortunately). I would like a wider variety of things happening with more concrete goals and deadlines that make us work very hard. Like I said before, politics...I don't really like politics. I'd also like to say that some of these issues are only on the minds of those who run NASA, typical researchers like myself don't pay a whole lot of attention to such things...it's a paycheck.

As for covering up alien life forms yada yada...I'd have to personally talk to the astronauts who allegedly claimed anything. Although I think it's fairly obvious that there is something out there, I am not convinced anything is covered up. You may believe an article on the internet, however, I don't. I've talked to a few astronauts, but I've never heard anything out of the norm...but, I probably wouldn't even bring the subject up myself



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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I think most people at NASA are very much pro Alien life. The benifits of such a discovery would be a huge boost to NASA in many ways.

That being said I think NASA wouldn't be able to go straight to the public with findings of alien life. It would have to go through the goverment first and then be veritified by others before that info would be released to the public.



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