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LNG deal is off: Iran to India

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NR

posted on Sep, 27 2005 @ 11:54 PM
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I was surprised about this but we warned many times that those who vote against us will get punished for it so India is the first ones, India needs our oil badley and they were going to do one of the biggest oil projects with us and pakistan so know they kicked off the list, Japan which also was doing a big oil project in iran which is the biggest untapped oilfields has been out too and its off.





LNG deal is off: Iran

Amit Baruah

A blow to India's energy security

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LNG deal is the first casualty of India's vote
Agreement was seen as a good deal for India
Decision conveyed soon after Vienna voting
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NEW DELHI: Iran has informed India that the five-million-tonne a year Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) export deal, with deliveries scheduled to begin in 2009 for a 25-year period, is off. This was conveyed to Indian officials in Vienna soon after the anti-Iran vote cast on Saturday by New Delhi in the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) governing board.

In a communication to the Prime Minister's Office and South Block dated September 24, India's Permanent Representative in Vienna, Sheelkant Sharma, wrote that his Iranian counterpart had told him the LNG deal, signed between the two sides in June, was off.

The Iranian Ambassador in Vienna came up to Dr. Sharma after India's vote and conveyed a message from Ali Larijani, Iran's top nuclear negotiator, that Teheran was no longer willing to go ahead with the $21-billion deal.

With this, India's energy security has suffered a major blow. The June agreement was considered a good deal for India; in the variable component of the price formula the Brent price of crude was capped at $31 a barrel.

In September, during External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh's visit to Iran, India was told that the deal was through and that permission from the National Iranian Oil Company board would be forthcoming.

The External Affairs Ministry spokesman told presspersons on September 3 that Iran was considering an additional 2.5 million tonnes of LNG a year being sought by India. On September 2, Mr. Larijani said in Teheran: "The issue of exporting LNG to India has been finalised."

On Monday, Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran, asked whether India's vote against Iran would affect the country's energy security, said, "I see no reason why there should be ... any kind of impact on our energy security."

In Teheran, the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman expressed surprise on Tuesday at the manner in which India had voted. He said: "Iran will revise these [economic] relations, and these countries [that voted against Teheran in the IAEA] will suffer. Our economic and political relations are coordinated with each other."


www.hindu.com...



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posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 12:28 AM
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now what will india do? does anyone think that india will claim that iran has WMD and will launch a pre-emptive strike? and form new bases there


NR

posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by RaiderJose
now what will india do? does anyone think that india will claim that iran has WMD and will launch a pre-emptive strike? and form new bases there



very funny........


[edit on 28-9-2005 by NR]



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 02:32 AM
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And this has what to do with Terrorism?

Are Iranians Terrorists? Indians?


NR

posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae
And this has what to do with Terrorism?

Are Iranians Terrorists? Indians?



dunno whats your prob but most of related middle east topics go here including irans so i thought i posts, and no one called iran a terrorist country nor India



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 03:52 AM
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Might have something to do with how India voted in the referral of Iran to the UN security Council over their nuclear programme.
The US has been badgering india to vote against Iran, no doubt with some sort of deals for compliance being offered. So, under those circumstances it's no surprise that the LNG deal would be off.



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by NR

Originally posted by RaiderJose
now what will india do? does anyone think that india will claim that iran has WMD and will launch a pre-emptive strike? and form new bases there



very funny........


[edit on 28-9-2005 by NR]


not funny


highly probable, son (india) learning character from daddy (USA)

Muslims are legitimate target because of their oil



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae
And this has what to do with Terrorism?

Are Iranians Terrorists?...
They have been called things to that effect by certain people...

e.g. G.W. said
Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people's hope for freedom.

[edit on 28-9-2005 by News Junkie]


NR

posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by betaiso

Originally posted by NR

Originally posted by RaiderJose
now what will india do? does anyone think that india will claim that iran has WMD and will launch a pre-emptive strike? and form new bases there



very funny........


[edit on 28-9-2005 by NR]


not funny


highly probable, son (india) learning character from daddy (USA)

Muslims are legitimate target because of their oil



i was being sarcastic about that buddy....



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 06:46 AM
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i was being sarcastic about that buddy....


same here



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[edit on 30-9-2005 by asala]


NR

posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 07:37 AM
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same here



oh, ok than were on the same page



(MOD edit -[please do no over Quote, make the post hard to read,)

[edit on 30-9-2005 by asala]



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by NR
I was surprised about this but we warned many times that those who vote against us will get punished for it so India is the first ones, India needs our oil badley



It always surprises me how hard Iran cuts off its nose to spite its face, and with such relentless vigor they try to chase away what few friends they have left.

What's more absurd than Iran's kindergarden view of geopolitcs is the way the most inane statements and scenarios are celebrated by Iranian cheerleaders.

It goes back to Persian-Arab Islamic culture -- the preservation of 'honor and dignity' even at the expense of truth. They really seem to think that popmous and spiteful statements either shore up their standing with the rest of the world, or cow their detractors, while not realizing that doesn't play outside Islamia. You see the same absurd rants and vitriol coming from Pakistan, Palestine, or from pre-war Iraq. The necessary saving of face by agressive rhetoric even as the truth is well known.


Now regarding your comments, Iran needs India far, far more than India needs Iran. $20 bill a year and increasing every year, $50 bil a year in trade, plus the passive support of the leader of the nonaligned world is nothing Iran will throw away lightly. Especially since India can easily turn to countries like the UAE, or the CAR republics via China to get energy resources.

There is no real love (or love lost) between India and the current regime of Iran. India has found Iran more than willing to cooperate with India (and the US for that matter) in Afghanistan, and India, because of its good relations with Israel, the Mid East and Iran, has often acted as a political, economic and intelligence agency interlocuteur between these states.

Yesterday, I just read a copy of Mapping the global future : report of the National Intelligence Council's 2020 Project, (fascinating reading by the way, I reccomend everyone check it out at their local library or read in the above website). In it, it stated that in the next 15 years, "India will need to nearly double its consumption by 2020 to maintain a steady rate of economic growth."

India is at the forefront of developing an entirely new nuclear technology -- reactors that use thorium, as opposed to uranium. This new reactor only requires uranium as a 'seed' to start the reaction and is supposedly bounds safer and far more effeciaint than uranium reactors. India has the largest thorium deposits in the world and in 20-25 years plans to largely be self-sufficiant in energy.

However, India needs energy in the interim. Big time. And reading the policy statements eminating out of India in this regard, I for one will not be one to play down India's resolve to proactively secure enery needs in the interim, if you get my drift. Especially since India's strategic redlines are drawn at India's economic growth factors, pursual of energy demands being one of them.


Moreover India's non-proliferation record of nuclear technology and weapons is impeccable, and Iran's nuclear program (nuclear reactor and centerfuge design) is gifted by Pakistan courtesy China and North Korea.

Also, Iran, like Pakistan, is willing to accomodate (read: sell out to) China and aquiescence of Chinese power in the Indian Ocean Region.

Both cases, are fundamentally strategically unacceptable to India.


Iran has to walk a fine line. Pissing off India will, through India's moderating influence, turn the entire nonaligned world against them and will label them a client state of China. Something which will be a doomsday scenario for them, with India either actively abbeting America in regime change in Iran, or with an energy starved desperate India securing energy resources in its own right.

Iran must accomodate India. Lest a desperate India be forced to wield their own overweening economic, political and military power, rather than manipulate the other superpowers wield them in her interests.

It is on both sides, US and Iran, that India stay actively out of this conflict. For Indian involvement would be an ante up of the highest magnitude.

And the Iranis very well know that.


So sorry NR yaaroon. But India voted in her best interests (with rapidly warm friend America), and Iran, needing India -- not the other way around -- took the kick in the ass, straightened up, and said to India 'thank you sir, may I have another!'

Deals with India hold good, assures Iran

New Delhi: Iran today asserted that all its agreements with India are "still in force" and passing through their normal process, denying media reports about possibility of LNG deal and gas pipeline project being called off.

"Regarding the news published in a section of media about the possibility of the LNG deal and the gas pipeline project being called off, the Embassy of the Islamic Republic of Iran declares that the agreements arrived at between the two countries are still in force and passing through their normal process," a statement issued by the Mission said here.

Quoting Iran's top nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani, the statement said he described India as a "friend" but added "we did not expect India to do so (vote with the resolution at the IAEA).(But) I believe the friends should not be judged by a single action."

"Iran enjoys friendly relations with India," the statement said quoting Larijani, Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council (SNSC).

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Cheers,
Raj



posted on Sep, 28 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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India has nothing to worry about as long as Iran continue's along its current path...



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 06:23 AM
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same here









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[edit on 30-9-2005 by asala]


cjf

posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 12:10 PM
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Iran will soon find how many 'friends' she truly has if she keeps behaving in this manner.

She's making a 'stand' of sorts based upon some (not many) allegances and she must not forget she bought them, therefore 'they' can be bought.


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posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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The sad part is that it is not 'Iran' itself....it's the mullahs who are doing this. These religious hardliners are running a real chance of having alot of innocent Iranians die.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 02:20 PM
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India should realize that when they vote towards the possibility of war with a business partner to expect to lose business with that partner as a result.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 04:23 PM
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You have voted rajkhalsa2004 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Great post Rajkhalsa2004

Right now I dont think anybody should be trying to get on Indias bad side. They are going to quickly become a much bigger players in the world and Im glad the US seems to know this already.



posted on Sep, 30 2005 @ 06:19 PM
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kind of supprizing India would stab a country in the back which it has historical ties with,
or was it because they had Big brother usa pulling their strings from behind the curtains?



bbc
India's government is under attack both from the opposition and its left-wing allies for its decision to side with the West and vote against Iran.





So sorry NR yaaroon. But India voted in her best interests (with rapidly warm friend America), and Iran, needing India -- not the other way around -- took the kick in the ass, straightened up, and said to India 'thank you sir, may I have another!'


for a country that needs to import more then 70% of its oil
its more like the other way
iran just has to sell to someone else ( and there seems to be a large market for that )
i am sure the UAE or some other state will be able to cough as much for india

and the only reason india seem to be becoming a big player is thanks to greedy corporations in europe/usa who make redundent thousends of people
just to hire people in india for 1/20 of what they pay




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posted on Oct, 1 2005 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by bodrul

Oh puh-leeeze.

kind of supprizing India would stab a country in the back which it has historical ties with,
or was it because they had Big brother usa pulling their strings from behind the curtains?


This is the same kind of xenophobic vitriol and barely concealed contempt that lends play to the myriad of absurd conspiracy theories on the Islami street.

"Big Brother" bad boy America nefariously pulling strings?? How about more like "India voting on her interests and in enforcement of the rules Iran unilaterally subscribed to" -- as is evidant with anyone with an understanding of geopolicy past the third grade level?


"Stabbing Iran in the back?" LOL. This is is in defense of a country whose whole nuclear program is gifted to them by the Pakistanis; who has allowed for the transfer of Chinese nuclear weapons technologies and platforms; who has not supported India in any international cause; who have a theocratic, totalitarian state completely at odds with India's ideology??

This statement is addressing a country (India) that has by her own good nature successfully resisted all attempts at alignment with any power bloc in the world and became the leader and model of the nonaligned world (Iran included); successfully restrained the other power blocks from running roughshod over Iran in the past -- and in this current vote! -- by her active influence on Iran's behalf and grace; a country who has successfully integrated Iranians (Parsi, Zoroastrians, etc.) who fled from persecution in their own country to India for millenia without where they experienced no suppression, no repression, and has allowed the Iranian community to be fullly integrated into the Indian nation just as any other group, and where Parsis have become among the most influential minority groups in government, including some of India's greatest freedom fighters, the founders of India's biggest corporations and heros in India's military including India's only Field Marshal rank officer; a country which has the largest Shi'a population outside of Iran, who are to a person secular, fully integrated into the Indian populace, not Islamist and have more freedoms and rights than any other significant Shi'a population in the world; a country who single handedly have educated two generations of Iranians in world class institutions not found in their home country, and have instilled in them the ideals of freedom, democracy and secularism -- i.e. have single handedly formed from the seeds of postcolonial ruin and even in the dark days of Islamist revolution the freedom-loving Iranian opposition who have an incredible brotherhood and dare I say loyalty to India???

How ****ing dare you say your trash statements. How arrogant to the point of utter stupidity is your drivel, and how completely ignorant you are of this subject. Waving around the bloody shirt of boo-hoo Islamist meglomania will get you no play with this thread, mer, nor with any Indians -- Muslim and non-Muslim.

Iran signed the NPT. They must adhere to it. Yet they developed a nuclear wepaons program supplicant to the Chinese in India's direct strategic sphere of influence. They participated in the biggest proliferation network on the planet -- the Pakistani network -- which gave to arms and nuclear weapons to the hands of terrorists who indescriminately commit atrocities against Indian civilians. They violated every rule they pledged to adhere to -- at the detriment to India's security interests -- and absolutely must pay the price.

Does hardliner-controlled Iran expect a ****ing cookie?


for a country that needs to import more then 70% of its oil
its more like the other way
iran just has to sell to someone else ( and there seems to be a large market for that )
i am sure the UAE or some other state will be able to cough as much for india


In fact, Iran supplies India



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