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Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Originally posted by skippytjc
. Its ALWAYS been about the Caliphate.
This is all to see who gets to rule Islam?
Originally posted by SpittinCobra
This is all to see who gets to rule Islam?
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Thank you for your considered response. I am well aware of what mainstream media reports Bin Laden's intentions to be, but none of your sources have ever spoken to the man have they. Neither do they assert that Bin Laden actually made those statements. At best they merely insert bullet points without any reference or context. This is soundbite reporting in full flight.
Originally posted by deltaboy
news.bbc.co.uk...
Religious war against America and American interests
Remove US forces from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf
Liberate Jerusalem from Israelis
Overthrow the "un-Islamic" governments of the region
Restore the Caliphate, or pan-Islamic ruler
Fox news aint the only ones reporting it. NewsJunkie.
read this article of Osama's colleague Azzam before he was killed.
www.iacsp.com...
very good story. i can provide more info if u are interested NewsJunkie.
In a 1996 proclamation, bin Laden asked, "O Lord, shatter their gathering, divide them among themselves, shake the earth under their feet and give us control over them."
That will seem preposterous to Americans, but like many Islamic radicals, bin Laden takes a long view of history. "Can bin Laden, a very intelligent guy, really think that he could end the U.S.?" asks Jessica Stern, Harvard lecturer and author of The Ultimate Terrorists. "He refers to historical periods when Muslims have conquered the West, so yes, perhaps he thinks he can accomplish that once again."
Several close associates of Osama bin Laden (most notably, Saudi Khalid bin Udah bin Muhammad al-Harbi, alias Abu Sulaiman al-Makki) joined the conflict in Bosnia, but while al-Qaeda might initially have seen Bosnia as a possible bridgehead enabling the radicalisation of European Muslims for operations against other European states and America, Bosnian Muslims had been secularised for generations and their interest in fighting was largely limited to securing the survival of their nascent state.
Bin Laden stretches his definition of American aggression further. He blames the U.S. for the killing of Bosnian Muslims by Christian Serbs because of a U.N. arms embargo against Bosnia until 1994. He even counts in this category the 1992-94 mission by U.S. troops to mostly Muslim Somalia as part of a U.N. effort to assist a famine-starved population caught between battling warlords. In bin Laden's book, the troop landing was simply a show of force by the U.S. "to scare the Muslim world, saying that it is able to do whatever it desires." He asked, "How can we believe your claims that you came to save our children in Somalia while you kill our children in all those [other] places?"--meaning Iraq, Bosnia and, through the Israelis, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories.
Al-Qaeda training camps trained militant Muslims from around the world, some of whom later applied their training in various conflicts in places such as India, Algeria, Chechnya, the Philippines, Egypt, Indonesia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Somalia, Yemen, Kosovo, and Bosnia. Other terrorists came from Pakistan, parts of Africa, the People's Republic of China (Uighurs), and the United Kingdom. These terrorists intermingled at their camps, causing all of those causes to become one. Despite the perception of some people, al-Qaeda members are ethnically diverse and are connected by their fundamentalist version of Islam.
Originally posted by News Junkie
Still no direct quote of Bin Laden stating his intention to establish Islamic world rule though.
Around and around we go - quote it if you can. If you can't, then admit it is an opinion and not a fact and that he never actually said it.
Originally posted by deltaboy
read the first proclamation of 1996. is intentions is clear if u read it and wat u think he intentions are. u dink its just about getting rid of U.S. troops. study the Wahabbis. study the Osama's view of Islam. compare to different Muslims. remember that guy with the hook in the UK where he believes the Islamic flag should be around the world before he dies. look more info.
Around and around we go - quote it if you can. If you can't, then admit it is an opinion and not a fact and that he never actually said it.
Originally posted by News Junkie
Under the present circumstances, and under the banner of the blessed awakening which is sweeping the world in general and the Islamic world in particular, I meet with you today. And after a long absence, imposed on the scholars (Ulama) and callers (Da'ees) of Islam by the iniquitous crusaders movement under the leadership of the USA; who fears that they, the scholars and callers of Islam, will instigate the Ummah of Islam against its' enemies as their ancestor scholarsmay Allah be pleased with them like Ibn Taymiyyah and Al'iz Ibn AbdesSalaam did. And therefore the ZionistCrusader alliance resorted to killing and arresting the truthful Ulama and the working Da'ees (We are not praising or sanctifying them; Allah sanctify whom He pleased). They killed the Mujahid Sheikh Abdullah Azzaam, and they arrested the Mujahid Sheikh Ahmad Yaseen and the Mujahid Sheikh Omar Abdur Rahman (in America).
Our Lord, the people of the cross had come with their horses (soldiers)and occupied the land of the two Holy places. And the Zionist Jews fiddling as they wish with the AlAqsa Mosque, the route of the ascendance of the messenger of Allah (ALLAH'S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM). Our Lord, shatter their gathering, divide them among themselves, shaken the earth under their feet and give us control over them; Our Lord, we take refuge in you from their deeds and take you as a shield between us and them
Q. Were you present for any conversations where Usama Bin Laden stated what he was going to do after the Russians left Afghanistan?
A. Yes.
Q. Can you tell us what Usama Bin Laden said he was going to do after the Russians left Afghanistan?
A. He thinking about making group.
Q. Can you explain to us anything else you recall about what he wanted this group to do?
A. To be ready for another step because in Afghanistan everything is over.
Q. And did he explain at that time what that other step was?
A. They say we have to make Khalifa.
Q. Can you explain to the jury what a khalifa is?
A. Khalifa mean we need one Muslim leader for the whole Muslim in the war.
Q. Continue with what else you recall Usama Bin Laden stated he wished to do after the Russians left Afghanistan.
A. He say also we want to change the Arab government because there's no Muslim government in the war, so we have to make Muslim government .