Oh Gawd... this is becomming a sex bashing thread...

Some of you seem to carry on as if men are the hunter gatherers and hunting and gathering is a totally foreign concept to women.
I have news for you guys in here ..women hunt and gather men far more effeciently than most men gather women. Just because a woman is not engaging in the occuption as does a man..does not mean she is not hunting and gathering.
To put it another way as the olde woman taught me.."how to get a man to chase you without looking like you want to get caught!!"

Also suggest some of you guys learn about the four cees of diamond buying . CCCC ...colour , cut , clarity, and cost. You will find the general outline of this philosophy in a book titled

Why men are the way they are
Warren Farrel.

This book is quite a eye opener to the unthinking sports oriented male. That is ..provided he can think outside the swimsuit edition and the sports page.
Personally I dont have any use for diamonds outside of industrial areas. I think they are one of the ugliest stones there is. Diamonds are just to bland for me. I prefer emeralds rubys topaz etc etc..stones with colours. My all time favorite ,however, is a delicate femminine strand of pearls. I also find a Cameo properly displayed on a well dressed woman to be very appealing. I suppose I am a bit olde school in my tastes..I dont care for women who wear to much jewelry or make up.

NOt all women are out here for a mans money. A woman who can take carae of herself and her kids ..is a woman who is able to come to a man for love only..ironically it is the very commodity so many women tend to complain is missing from thier reliationships. They just dont seem to be able to connect the dots to their wants, behaviors, and who is supposed to get it for them, having any effect in killing off the love/romance they think is thier entitlement. To do this would be commitment of a different nature than many are capable in a merchandized society.
Do not dispair guys..at $3.00 to $4.50 per gallon this will become plainly obvious ..and quickly. I just hope you guys are up for it.

Thanks,
Orangetom

You posted:

"I always feel like I have to wear the pants in a relationship. For some reason, the general consensus of guys in my age group 25-30, have forgotten things like changing the oil in the car, patching holes in plaster , or even killing a bug I find offensive."

This is because many of what passes for men now days have been raised primarily by women. They have womens values/consumption levels. They tend to define themselves by what they consume, the latest joke, movie/tv programs they watch. They just happen to dress like men. Many of them cannot even defend a mans position from a woman ..and they may be correct in what their instincts tell them. They just cant do it in the face of a overly emotional woman who can out talk them ten to one.
When the going gets tough ..someone else has to get going for them. They may look appealing, dress appealing ..but are they men...??? The only thing missing is "drama"..or is it???

Thanks,
Orangetom

Ok guys ask girls out, they buy them things, and propose and are the first to approach. What if that was reversed. What if girls approached us and bought us things and asked us out. I mean now a days girls just sit there and pretty much do nothing but have a good time, while we completely waste a years salary.

Its not fair to me that girls can brake up with you after you just spent about 10,000 dollars on them. That is why men murder people because of that. (I'm lucky this hasn't happened to me)

But we (men) have so much power over them. I mean I sent this girl a birthday card with about 5 words total on it. She sent me a 2 paragraph message back. I mean all it takes is that.

I hate people who make girls have sex with them and then dump em. That is what movie stars do.

Ok so a girl wants Jonny depp. She is thinking the following:

I will do anything to get this guy.

After I have sex with him, even though I don't want to (but I will do anything) I will fix him up. Make him fit my rules and my needs. I will force him to marry me and he will be miserable but I will be happy. And we live happily ever after.

But ut oh. He dumps you. You will never forget this and you hate him. (edit)

[edit on 10/2/2005 by Conspiracy Theorist06]

Strangecraft,

Great post on this thread. I completely agree with your position. You can ask me out on a date anytime!


frau dr

Wow I should try saying this in public to see if the girls like me. I'll post more later.

Originally posted by frau dr
Strangecraft,

Great post on this thread. I completely agree with your position. You can ask me out on a date anytime!


frau dr

I think someone is making a subtle hint that maybe I don't always practice what I preach.

But hey, I did the dishes, and fixed you a drink . . .

**But we (men) have so much power over them.**

God help me,you were not talking about men having power over women?

i could rant all day and prove my point. but if you really think
you have power over women then i tell you now i would love you to
meet the women in my family! God that would be hilarious!

oni x x

you need some serious help.

Its not fair...good grief..."It's not Fair" This is the technique people use when they havent grown up. What on earth would possess you to think life outside the womb is fair??? This world has a history of being a corrupt, sick, depraived place. Why would you think it is any different out here in the dating arena???
I got news for you Conspiracy Theorist....ever heard of the word Occult.??
It means concealed..hidden...esoteric. Women more than most men thrive in this arena. Women more than men are drawn to the occult practices. Women are not going to train you in how to gain access to them just to lose you to the next woman to come down the road. They are not that noble by nature.
This means it is up to you to change your thinking and analytical ability to see in women what is not ordinarily seen by the naked eye. Including the real intrinsic value of any particular woman. I can gaurantee you most women will spot these things in another woman before a man spots them. And some of them will hate the other woman for this. Only men can be so dumb they dont get it. It is not a womans responsibility to make this plain for you so that you can get life without work. This is in fact what many women do . You need to wise up about the true nature of things in this world.
Any man who would spend years of their salary to gain access to a woman ..needs the loss of years of salary to complete the education on which they have obviously missed out.
Educate yourself in this arena...Conspiracy Theorist. You will not find courses on this type of survival in high school or colleges. It is missing..not accidental. It is deliberate.
Look at your name in this room ....Conspiracy Theorist. Anyone knowing any history at all..knows that the nature of Conspiracy is Occult, ..hidden, ..esoteric....concealed from all but those involved in the Conspiracy. Yet you seem to miss something that is so obviously and plainly in front of you. Amazing!!!

Think..Conspiracy Theorist...think..muse. Learn.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Women do not have power over real men...they have power over ignorant uninformed men. Many women thrive and exist on this kind of men. I dont necessarily blame them ..they are just trying to survive on the settings on their dials that they think are important..

It is not much of a feather in her cap for a woman get over on dumb ignorant men. Not much to boast about.
When you see women boasting and putting down men in these rooms in such a manner..you can be assured of several things.
When the going gets tough ..they dont get going ..they send their men out there to get going for them. The guy is that dumb. He gets going and he pays for it..yes. Remember ..equality and multitasking is happening now days.
These women are not intrested in equality..they are intrested in the appearence of equality. Usually this expresses itself in consumption rates. Not equality. Just appearences. The other word for the appearence of equality is "options". They are very sexist..but are able to conceal..it carefully.....Oh..theres that word again..concealed..hidden esoteric..occult.

This works because men are so dirt dumb in this category. I mean dirt dumb...no ..I mean ..many are beyond dirt dumb..is this possible ladies????

The technique used ...and accepted by so many dumb ignorant men is to try out for a womans approval ratings ..this if not handled correctly leads to preconditioning to pick up on a womans clues and cues before a man even is capable of thinking about what her real intrinsic value is in the market place. Not her sexuality. Sexuality and beauty are the least important things a woman has to offer if you intend to keep her. If this is all she has she is a loser .and you will be too if you take up long term with a woman like this.
This is totally the opposite of what men have been preconditioned to think about the nature of things in this world. There in lies your problem Conspiracy Theorist. The "appearence and expectation" of access to beauty and sexuality raises value in the marketplace and gets you to try out harder only to scream "Its not fair" when it doesnt work out.
This is where you need to get educated. Teach yourself Theorist. Don't whine...learn about wildlife in its natural habitat.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist06
. I mean now a days girls just sit there and pretty much do nothing but have a good time, while we completely waste a years salary.

Congratulations for making me splurt out coffee for the first time this morning! That's the biggest piece of (admittedly hysterically funny) drivel I've seen all day. This is why you're still single. And this is probably why you'll remain that way for a long time unless you shape up a bit.

Its not fair to me that girls can brake up with you after you just spent about 10,000 dollars on them. That is why men murder people because of that. (I'm lucky this hasn't happened to me)

Let's see. Who's the bigger idiot? The girl who decides her affections cannot be bought, or the guy who spends money hoping he'll somehow buy the affections of the girl in question? Hmmmm?

And no, that's not why men murder. At all. Pick up a book and open it, please?

But we (men) have so much power over them. I mean I sent this girl a birthday card with about 5 words total on it. She sent me a 2 paragraph message back. I mean all it takes is that.

Ok, so which is it? Men are almighty powerhouses, or downtrodden fools who spend $10,000 to get laid?

Conspiracy Theorist...I'm actually going to assume that this thread was started as a joke.

Because seriously...if these are actually your true feelings, you're going to have a very lonely life.

See what I mean. I was trying to be nice and civil. Tess is not pulling any punchs.

You dont have enough armor to survive in this arena. Women like Tess will take you down at the knees and continue on to your gray matter. And rightly so.!! This is why you will be single for some time unless you can get a woman more hard up and dumber than you.

Learn..Theorist...Learn..think.. Dont whine..women dont respect a whiney man...they grind them up for dessert.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by Tinkleflower

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist06
. I mean now a days girls just sit there and pretty much do nothing but have a good time, while we completely waste a years salary.

Congratulations for making me splurt out coffee for the first time this morning! That's the biggest piece of (admittedly hysterically funny) drivel I've seen all day. This is why you're still single. And this is probably why you'll remain that way for a long time unless you shape up a bit.

Its not fair to me that girls can brake up with you after you just spent about 10,000 dollars on them. That is why men murder people because of that. (I'm lucky this hasn't happened to me)

Let's see. Who's the bigger idiot? The girl who decides her affections cannot be bought, or the guy who spends money hoping he'll somehow buy the affections of the girl in question? Hmmmm?

And no, that's not why men murder. At all. Pick up a book and open it, please?

But we (men) have so much power over them. I mean I sent this girl a birthday card with about 5 words total on it. She sent me a 2 paragraph message back. I mean all it takes is that.

Ok, so which is it? Men are almighty powerhouses, or downtrodden fools who spend $10,000 to get laid?

Conspiracy Theorist...I'm actually going to assume that this thread was started as a joke.

Because seriously...if these are actually your true feelings, you're going to have a very lonely life.

Dude (dudette) I don't care what u say tinkle but girls ALWAYS want men to buy them like a million things. I somewhat agree with ur other complaints but that one is wrong i'm sorry. but it is.

Also orangetom is there cheat codes for dating? Maybe I should go on captaincode.

If I am lonely my whole life, then what better for me to do but join the men in black. That organization LOVES people who aen't married because ur not gonna tell em. See there is always a positive thing to everything!

Look man I am who am. After I made a mistake in the 6th grade I decided not to try approaching women. They are just too mean. Just like tinkleflower. I don't care how I act or what I do or say. I do what I do and none of you can change it (you too tinkleflower). I love myself and currently maintaining relationships with friends. I RARELY venture into the unknown world of women. Its like going into deep woods with no help. I wish people weren't so mean.

I am happy because tinkleflower is just an example of how personal women are and I know that I have somehow violated it in some way. I am sorry of this but I am NOT going to suck up to you. I still rely on my opinion.

Somebody is gonna say something that insults me but I don't care. I appreciate the company. I love hearing different views of things. I am a nice guy.

One more thing. Girls r not intimidating because they have a higher fat:muscle ratio. (they have more fat than muscle)

I only really argue when it gets political. Then I bring out the flame thrower.

Single ..very single. I think you are correct on this one!!

Hey conspiracy theorist..contrary to popular belief..there are women out here who just want a little respect. They get plenty of drama from their lives and the lives of their girlfriends. They dont need it from us. They need a rest from this drama. Men in black isnt it. Got the point.??

Many of them are looking for a man with some real caliber to them...not fantasy. They get plenty of fantasy if they want it. Just read any romance novel. Ive read some of them ...they are 24 carat pornography. Its just pornography oriented twords women not men.

As to cheat codes for women...that is really deep Conspiracy Theorist...very deep...well done...you will go far with that one. No doubt.

One more thing before I close...you think Tess was hard on you...you have a long hard difficult road to go. Lots of bumps in store for you. You are going to be rejected more than most men..I can gaurantee you that ..far more than most due to your multi demensional capability to think and analyze. Buckle up Conspiracy Theorist..your in for quite a ride..Grow some thick skin..you are going to need it.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist06

Dude (dudette) I don't care what u say tinkle but girls ALWAYS want men to buy them like a million things. I somewhat agree with ur other complaints but that one is wrong i'm sorry. but it is.

Girls might want to be bought things all the time. This phase might last until said girl reaches her mid/late teens.

Women however, do not always want to be bought a million things.

You're just plain wrong, old chap!

Though I'm genuinely sorry that women intimidate you so much.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist06
Look man I am who am. After I made a mistake in the 6th grade I decided not to try approaching women. They are just too mean. Just like tinkleflower.

Well, she's not mean at all I'd say.

Second, what was so tramatic? It was the 6th grade. Kids are mean. Would you just stop doing anything because you met one mean person or two?

Maybe a bit of a life lesson here. You will always meet mean people. People at school, at work and in everyday life. That's how it is. Some people will give up while others carry on and try again.

Believe me mate, with women the motto is try-try again.

But this ...........is really funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I only really argue when it gets political. Then I bring out the flame thrower."

This is rich...very rich!!


And Zed....sage words ..olde man...very sage..

Thanks,
Orangetom

Well Orangetom said that I can analyze things and think about them ( i think he's saying I'm smart) but he said that being smart is bad? I do have a long way to go, but I'm starting to take things less and less personal until I just get drafted into army. I like who I am but I think the problem with men and women is that they both try to impress eachother. So it usually makes them feel worse knowing other people don't care for them. I really don't care how many women like me.

I'm just passing through.

I like that i've made two people laugh about stuff that I really don't think is that funny.

me and my MOD army! :gomod s:

With elite "ban" squadron# Foxtrot Uniform Charley Kilo



Then the worst of all. The headbashers!

BTW, the wealthier kids are more often the ones who have nice-looking clothes and who have been participating in adult conversations more. So their ability to discuss something other than who's dating who puts them ahead in the game. Traditionally, these kids had a good education as well (remember that women like intelligence)... so they start with two generational advantages over everyone else.

Smartest thing said on this thread, Byrd.

I would guess you haven't had much experience with the ladies. They're not attracted to money. Assholes with money are one of the biggest turnoffs in the world. The only reason a gift ever means something is if it has meaning. Her favorite flower for ten bucks will always be better than 40 roses. Even better? Spending time with her and caring for her.

I spend a lot of time around women. Gay? Not a bit. I just prefer intelligent discourse most of the time to intelligent discourse some of the time.

If there's one thing they don't like it's being stereotyped into the "classic" groups. That's why a lot of women dislike words like "chick," or being thought of as only interested in money.

I suggest you get out there and be prepare to get humbled. The women of this planet will lift you up or destroy you utterly, depending on you treat them. You could use the change.