TA-ANALYSIS: NSA Granted Patent: Can Now Locate Anyone on Internet

This sounds like Promis Software. Have you read about the murders of the ones who owned Promis and it's capabilities. I am glad to hear people talking about this and have heard that Bill Gates supposedly put Promis on all computers of those who have WINDOWS software.

Promis is different, thats a software trace not a hardware trace.

We all knew it'd happen one day...why the shock?

So what, they can trace what we said? Good for them, I am glad they know where I am. They could e-mail me and I'd willingly tell them.

Let them push, push and push until the people are forced together. The Government doesn't seem to understand in every time of control, of the people being pushed in the end they will always push back...

Well one thing on my mind is how do they sort out the bull#e from the real threats. Imagine with over 6 billion people in the world and a substantial amount of them using the internet probably a lot looking up words on the red flag list how do they sort out the terrorists from the innocent people must be pretty friggin tricky i think.

On this website i'm sure the word bomb, terrorist, and many other words related to terrorism are used. I bet this site alone fills up half the friggin database on flagged words lol. I feel sorry for the eight guys assigned to the pornagraphy job they got there work cut out for them too.

I sincerely doubt that that's the purpose. I think its more about locating SPECIFIC PREKNOWN targets.

Like tracking an email down.

Originally posted by twitchy
Take a minute to look up a little known Company in Israel called Amdocs, or if you are an internet buff, check out what Odigo, another Israeli owned company does.

Prior to 911, I worked in telecommunications and I had specific workings with Amdocs for over 3 years. Their systems have so many bugs and problems, they can barely keep it straight. It ended up running millions over budget and costing a Sr. VP his job.

Not only that...the users (employees) hate the system. It's cumbersome and annoying.

I wouldn't worry much about them taking over the world.

As for this patent, isn't it just basically the virtual representation of triangulation? Been around for years. Doesn't change things much.

As for this patent, isn't it just basically the virtual representation of triangulation? Been around for years. Doesn't change things much.

Bingo
That's what i was saying first and foremost the military has been using this for a long time already. Who first, I don't have a clue. But Even more ridiculous is with this new patent they can add another invention to it. They can actually take a picture of you on your computer with the small amount of radiation that comes of your monitor kinda like sonar.

Originally posted by Magickesists
They can actually take a picture of you on your computer with the small amount of radiation that comes of your monitor kinda like sonar.

WTF!? How would that work? Is that even technically possible? More details please.

Of course I heard about 'Tempest monitoring' in the past they could reproduce the text displayed on your computer monitor from the electromagnetic emanations. Doesn't seem to work anymore with newer modern monitors.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by ufia]

As far as I know it exists. Aside from that i know very little about that specific use of the internet but it would make sense as to how they have a photo image of what somebody looks like so fast sometimes in criminal cases with no explanation.

Well look how many machines now have webcams given away with them and connected? They'd not even need to do it the above way. We sit here, type and anyone can view us if they know how.

It's even scarier that it doesn't have to be these big brother guys it could be anyone with the knowledge to do so. Hmmmmmmm I think i am disconnecting my webcam from now on when i don't use it.

Pardon my ignorance, but the argument already stated in this thread -- about a random delay added to the ping -- how come this countermeasure wil not work? Even if you run a trace, the first leg of the trip will still fluctuate. So you get the hub, but not much beyond that. Please explain. I'm pretty sure there are enough people capable of tweaking the TCP and change the ping.

There is always a counter-countermeasure. In the world of the digital realm it's easy enough to find out where the randomly changed ping address comes from.

Originally posted by Magickesists
There is always a counter-countermeasure. In the world of the digital realm it's easy enough to find out where the randomly changed ping address comes from.

Easy? How? It does scew the trianglulation, right?

yeah but it doesn't mean it's impossible to triangulate it's just harder.

Given the amount of cable involved in a live enviroment, and the tendency of both routers and cable to change times, (for routers the amount of traffic, for cables things like Heat) by the time you have taken one reading it will be obsolete.

Secondly cables don't run in streight lines.

Also the very backbone of the internet cannot be 'seen' and will change acording to traffic.

I think this may work in closed test networks, but not in the real world.

Plus firewalls could be setup to drop pings as a basic precaution.

[edit on 14-10-2005 by DiceMan]

[edit on 14-10-2005 by DiceMan]

Nothing in the computer world acts randomly it's all algorithmic thus it's just a matter of calculation. computers are more than vulnerable to triangulation.

...new technology that allows them to identify the physical location of any web surfer...

I think this means it will be easier to do, or more automated. The capabilities to do these type of operations already existed. The failures to identify, are exceptions that often involve criminal activity. I do think that this will require huge amounts of computing power. Any such analysis would be doing some major packet crunching...

Somebody knows they can be traced and just logs on from a different computer under a different name.

The computer is a laptop with wireless internet capabilities and is rigged to reformat or something after being traced.

What if theres a 5 dollar solution to the million dollar problem that was a solution to a problem hmmmmmm?