Originally posted by Byrd
I'd be interested to know what else was around and with that picutre.
I've only ever seen them as parts of a wall painting.
masterp
I would say that it is not possible that has happened.
Its not a carving, its a palimpset. One set of gylphs. Then a plastering over, then a new set, the plaster has worn away. The helicopter and space
ships can be made out of superimposed glyphs.
The probability of that happening is astronomically small
The shapes are made out of known glyphs superimposed over one another.
Homer mentions lots of them in the Iliad/Odyssey.
All of these things are either regular chariots and armour that are tweaked out, or things from the gods. In ther hindu vedas, there's even a
fraudulent passage that has been going around for a long time that is presented as having advanced tech. But lets stick to the basics here,
abydos. Yes, for the purposes of discussion, lets
say its possible that there could've been helicopters flying around. This changes nothing.
The shapes seen on the abydos palimpset are
composed of
known glyphs, and the block of text is known to be a palimpset, not a single
construction. If the egyptians did see helicopters and the glider from star wars, they didn't record it at abydos.
torbjon
Sure sure, some legends come straight out and say “it Was a chariot pulled by horses” but others say “it was Like a chariot pulled by horses”
I'd say that parsimony should apply here,if not to prevent one from taking certain avenues of research, then at aleastfrom making conclusions. If it
sorta says chariot, and we know that they had chariots, then lets just keep an open mind but conclude that its most logical that the guy was
describing chariots.
Also, wrt the Odyssey and Iliad, these were works composed
long after the events they proport to describe, ie not even close to eyewitness
events, indeed, pretending that homer was a person, his generation was in a completely different culture than that of the heros of the trojan war, and
this shows in the text. He has them using iron spears, when the event occured in the bronze age, for example, and he has them riding these
magnificent chariots into battle, then hoping off and fighting on foot, which is what people in homers time were used to, whereas actual chariot
warfare is stunningly different. If nothing else, this means that the descriptions and explanations have been altered, sometimes dramatically, and
have become unreliable. If they have outside corroboration, then we can say that they wer accurate for those specific things. For example,
schliemann was able to find that hissarlik hill in turkey was the site of 'troy', so homer certainly got some stuff right. But there were no
colossal palaces and temples and all the rest of that. Or even in a basic aspect, the people of troy speak greek in the iliad, in reality, they spoke
something like Luwian, a different language unintelligble to the greeks. So these texts are all very iffy on a lot of things.
