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reply posted on 26-9-2005 @ 07:56 AM by Gemwolf
This site gives this explenation:

The glyphs are a result of both erosion of the stone surface (evident elsewhere in the temple) and the process of filling in and re-carving the stone to replace some of the original hieroglyphics. The technical term for such a surface that has been written on more than once is a palimpsest. The usurping and modifying of inscriptions was common in ancient Egypt throughout its history. The Abydos glyph was modified at least once in antiquity, and perhaps twice. Some of the filling has fallen out in places where the older and the newer inscriptions overlap, and the result is unique and odd-looking.
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Read more on the website


With this picture to support their statement
[img]http://www.altarcheologie.nl/strange_technologies/Pharaoh's%20Helicopter_files/abydos3.gif[/img]
Edit: Don't know why the picture isn't showing... Here's the direct link...
See the Picture

I'm not convinced. Although they make a valid point. The hieroglyphics should be seen in context, and not as pictures of say helicopters... Remember that it's actually a sentence written there... In the correct context the sentense should read something like...


The one of the Two Ladies, who suppresses the nine foreign countries.


Whatever... I'm still not convinced... I think it's some sort of hoax. Or maybe... Err... Who knows!

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reply posted on 26-9-2005 @ 08:02 AM by Jeremiah25
Nygdan also has an excellent post on the origins and meanings of the hieroglyphs on this page of another recent thread, dealing with out of place artefacts.

Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
I would hope that Byrd sees this thread, she knows a lot about this sort of thing, and I'll bet she has seen this before.


Wait, Byrd is a woman?


reply posted on 26-9-2005 @ 12:09 PM by Byrd
Originally posted by drinkinlikeafish
I looking at Egyptian hieroglyphics the other day when I came across Abydos Temple in Giza. Alot of sites seem to have images of hieroglyphics which include helicopters, submarines, army tanks, flying saucers, rods and lots of other strange looking contraptions. My first thought was hoax but people are bringing pictures of it back from their holidays. I find it highly unlikely that people snuck in there and carved images in such detail for a hoax.


Good reasoning there: people are bringing back pictures and for a century and more (even when there were helicopters around) and it was only recently that someone decided it was a helicopter.

These are victims of Enthusiastic Over-Photoshopping.

Look closely at this one:

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At the far left is a round circle (sun) and you can see the whole thing is enclosed in a cartouche. Take a look at it in closer aspect and in context:
www.altarcheologie.nl.../Pharaoh's%20Helicopter.htm

What happened was that it was decided to replace the name of Seti I with Rameses II sometime back in ancient history -- rededicate the temple to Rameses rather than Seti. So they had to replace the titles. Rather than recarve, they plaster over the section and carve on top of that... as bits and pieces fell off, you get the strange effect.

(I don't have my texts here so I'm going to do the "quick and dirty" and hope to get to the actual translation later this evening)

Next to the date, we see the year of the inscription and next to that, the bee and the sedge that indicate the title, "Pharoah." So roughly, it translates out to "Rameses, Pharoah, who protects Egypt from the bows of the nine evil forign countries" -- this is part of a formal title (like "Knight commander of the royal navy") known as a "two ladies" title and one that appears

Remember that the Egyptian hieroglyphs are similar to our own letters (one symbol stands for one or more sounds.) So, on the face of a one dollar bill, you see "United States of America" and not "Un(OMG!! --it's the symbol for a phase drive!)ed St(OMG!!! Wild looking UFO!)tes of A(hyperdrive engine!) (Phaser-saber!)rica"

The other cue is that writing of that era was usually illustrated with drawings. If there had been something about UFOs or subs, there would be a huge painting or drawing next to it with the details.

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reply posted on 26-9-2005 @ 11:20 PM by Byrd
You can see the overcarving all over the pampliset if you just know how to read hieroglyphics. I do (rather badly, I should add.)

Here's the semi-original (photoshopped) version:



Now, just look at what was done to the names:
Here's that darling son, Ramses, whose Praenomen is Setepenre Usermaatre


And here's dear old dad (Seti) - Menmaatre to his buddies -- the one whose temple his darling little boy was appropriating for his own glory:


And because my tracing is SO bad, here's what the two cartouches really look like (both nomen and praenomen):


Seti's full name (nomen and praenomen) is Menmaatre Sety-meryenptah and Ramses has a big mouthfull of a nomen and praenomen with Usermaatre-setepenre Ramesse-meryamun

Ramses the Modest's name can be loosely translated as "Powerful in Truth, Chosen of Ra" (and that was his first name) "Ramses - Beloved of Amun" (second name)

Anyway, that's why to Egyptology buffs like myself (and to archaeologists and so forth) that we know it's an overinscribed panel and that part of the old is showing through. And how we know what the rest of the title says.

I hope it's okay if I don't tie up our bandwidth with the rest of the exercise, which was done at that link above. But if you look at the original and look at the many other times this title was repeated (we have other examples), you can very clearly see the overcarving.

Oh yes, and the bee and plant next to the cartouches mean "king of upper and lower Egypt."


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[edit on 26-9-2005 by Byrd]


reply posted on 4-10-2005 @ 09:39 PM by SomewhereinBetween
Originally posted by drinkinlikeafish
Although its a very good explanation byrd, I agree with masterp, theres no way erosion could leave perfect carvings of helicopters, submarines, rods, birds and the other engravings on the picture.
Perfect really? I have seen them up close, and I can attest that only by the imagination of those who enhance the image for their wanting to believe that aliens had anything to do with Egyptian buildings can these be equated to modern machines. Let us take a close look this time:
Do you see a rotor on the tail of the so-called helicopter? And what clearance exactly does the one rotor have from the tail? How about pilot seating, is there actually a cab, or is it open to the elements? How about the UFO, the midsection is not only visible meaning it is made of at least an opague substance but requires a tailfin to traverse space. Why do you suppose that is?

Then we have the bird, the letter 'P', a 't' and a couple of 'L's' as well, should this mean that the aliens attempted to speak to us in either Roman or English? Maybe Canadian, since I see in the lower right what obviously must be a curling stone. And that submarine, is there a propellor somehere, or is it a yacht?
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