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Originally posted by beebo
for the love of god geekboy, get a friggin spellchecker.
And i highly doubt that the Illuminati are active after 400 years. I'm not saying thats impossible, but very unlikely.
Originally posted by geekboy
Has it ever occured to anyone that the Illuminati may have conections to the UN I mean think about and what about the guy who created the Euro and now he's pushing for a worldwide currency. It may sound farfected but it makes sense.
Originally posted by eeper69
From what I understand they are not good guys and the Bush family has a history with them.
WHO BELIEVES THE LIE THAT ANYONE CAN BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A.?
The Illuminati rule America! Who are the super rich "elite" Illuminati and their associates? The Queen of England, her husband Prince Philip and the Royal House of Windsor, the hierarchy on the board of directors of the Vatican, including the Pope; the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgans, Duponts, Fords, Carnegies, Melons, Bush's etc. To get the details of who the Illuminati are, put Illuminati in www.google.com
It is not the American people who choose the President and Vice President of the United States of America, but rather the super secret "shadow government" called the Illuminati/New World Order who choose them!
Various researchers, including,David Icke in his book "The Biggest Secret", point out that all 43 men who were Presidents of the U.S.A. are related, and that 33 of the Presidents can be traced back to the bloodline of Charlemagne, who in the year 800 was crowned by Pope Leo III to be Holy Roman Emperor, the first head of an empire that would last over 1000 years! This should be setting off major alarm bells in your mind. Like this is no coincidence. The odds of all 43 Presidents being related, and this just randomly happening, are billions to one. Democratic and Republican candidates are "chosen" by the "Elitist" super rich organization called the Illuminati. Democrats and Republicans and the Illuminati would not want you to believe any of this. They don't teach you this in schools and for good reason: the Illuminati want to stay hidden. They do not want the masses to know that their small secret organization even exists so they can covertly continue their rule.
This farce called an "election" shows that America is a one party state. Both Democrats and Republicans work for the agenda of the Illuminati. They create a charade that looks like each party is different, but in the end the Democrats and Republicans vote for anything the Illuminati want in order to push forward the Illuminati agenda for "total world domination". This is why actors make such good politicians because this whole covert political charade at this time is an "act" being played out to control all the people in a so-called democracy. If you'd like to know who is going to win the U.S.Presidential election, just call up super wealthy David Rockefeller and he can tell you today because it's all a "staged event". This may be challenging for most people to believe, but it's true and if given the chance and enough money to fund a proper investigation, this can be proven. There is no "true" democracy in America, only an illusion that looks like a supposed democracy. Currently democracy is imprisonment disguised as freedom.
A true democracy is not a two party system. It is many parties with different ideas that represent the will of the People, not the will of a few very rich individuals and the corporations that they own. Why weren't members from other political parties, who have candidates running for the Presidency, allowed to participate in the Presidential debates? Because the Presidential debates are a "staged Illuminati event" that's why. They would not allow any other competing candidates to participate, just like they don't allow any of the Illuminati controlled mass corporate media to cover and interview the other smaller party candidates. By suppressing any competing candidates outside of the Illuminati controlled Democratic and Republican parties, the Illuminati eliminate the possibility that someone might actually tell the American people the truth about 911, the war for oil in Iraq, the unconstitutional income tax, the private banking cartel, called the Federal Reserve that controls the money in the U.S., Patriot Acts 1 & 2, etc.
Did you see any of the Conventions of any other party besides the Democrats and Republicans on T.V. or in any other major mass media? Do you see media coverage on a daily basis of any of the other Presidential candidates and what they stand for? You rarely see or hear anything in the Illuminati controlled mass media about any other candidates, you only see and hear Bush and Kerry! Is this what you call "democracy"? No, it's called brainwashing and mind control. If Bush and Kerry are the only candidates the Illuminati controlled mass media shows everyday, and they both lie about the war in Iraq, the war on "terror", Social Security, the budget deficit, unemployment, the economy etc. without any real challenge to what they are saying by other candidates or independent journalists, than the masses conclude that what Bush and Kerry are saying is the ONLY "truth". If you tell people the same lie over and over again and it goes unchallenged, that "lie" becomes the people's "truth". Hitler was very successful at using this technique. Bush Jr. has been extremely successful with this technique over the last four years of his Presidency. And Bush Sr.summed it up when he once said "don't confuse the People with the truth". Could you imagine Jeff Rense, David Icke, Sherman Skolnick and some of the other truth seeking journalists and writers being at a Bush or Kerry news conference and being able to ask them their questions? Better yet what would it be like if these same men were able to pose questions to Bush and Kerry in a prime time nationally televised debate? There would probably be a People's revolt in the streets!!! Starting to get the picture?
Another subversive thing that has been done in the U.S. "Presidential elections" is that the Republican and Democratic parties have made laws that "qualify" a political party to get tens of millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars if they meet certain "criteria"..So the Republicans and Democrats and Illuminati blatantly screw the People even more by using the People's own tax dollars to keep out any legitimate candidates, who don't qualify for this money, but who do really and truly desire to work for the benefit of the people.
The Republican and Democratic parties spend billions of dollars on the Presidential election, so if you can't get together a billion or two billion dollars, you don't have a chance! Who could even afford to run in a Presidential election? If you only have two parties, then rich people and the Illuminati through their Fortune 500 corporations can make large contributions to both parties and thereby control both parties. So no matter who wins the election, these corporations and a few rich people get special favors and laws passed to make themselves even richer.
The most blatant example of this was the $1.3 trillion dollar tax cut for the rich.
Only approximately 43,000 rich families, including the Bush and Cheney families, got to share over $1.2 of the $1.3 trillion dollars from this HUGE tax cut, and these rich families each got millions of dollars. Each of the over 100,000,000 American working "slaves" got a measly $300 or $600 check Did your President or any Senators or Congressmen who voted for this tax gift to the rich tell the American citizens this? Of course not! And even though the U.S. is running up huge budget deficits that could lead to a 1929 style depression, Bush and the Democrats and Republicans will not rescind this huge tax cut for the rich that would help balance the budget.
Bush and Kerry are Illuminati "puppets" and the Illuminati's ideal ticket. No matter who wins, the Illuminati rule. Kerry's voting record is similar to Bush's on many issues. Even President Bush points out that Kerry voted for and supported Bush's war in Iraq. How much more blatant can they be than that? When is the last time you checked out the voting record of the candidate you support? The citizens are too lazy to check out their candidate's voting record. They've been brainwashed to trust their politicians who lie lie lie all the time. The People won't take the time to check out the voting record of their favorite candidates and the Illuminati know this, so the Illuminati can easily continue to con the people. If you would take the time to check out your candidate's voting record you would see this truth. You'll be amazed how they don't vote for the people's interests, Republicans and Democrats vote for corporate and Illuminati interests!
Both Bush and Kerry are fraternity brothers in Skull and Bones, a super secretive neo Nazi fraternity at Yale University that covertly supported Hitler and the Nazis in WW ll. Many American Presidents, government and top business leaders have come out of Skull and Bones, without the American people being aware of this. Both Bush's father, Bush Sr., and Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, are and were Skull and Bones men. Prescott Bush put up millions of dollars to help put Hitler [another Illuminati "puppet"] into power. The Illuminati always fund both sides in every Illuminati generated war in order to achieve their "control of the world agenda", and make billions of dollars for themselves in the process!. For details about this read David Icke's book " ....And The Truth Shall Set You Free", www.davidicke.com
Here you have a situation where out of ALL the possible people who could qualify to run for President of the U.S.A., you wind up with two Skull and Bones men. This is no accident. The chances of this "randomly happening" are millions to one! Skull and Bones was founded by the Russel family, who made their huge fortune illegally smuggling opium to China in the 1800's, thereby causing another war called The Opium War. The flag that was flown on the Russel ships that were smuggling dope was the Skull and Bones emblem, hence the name of the fraternity. So now you have two men who are fraternity brothers in a super secretive fraternity that was founded by a drug baron! Seems a little strange doesn't it? To this very day the Bush family, along with other "families" continue to make billions of dollars smuggling and selling illegal drugs all over the world. They are assisted by the C.I.A, which Bush Sr.once headed, and by a few of Vice President Cheney's companies. Books and articles have been written exposing all of this, but the Illuminati corporate controlled mass media do not report this secret. If anyone could survive and not be murdered attempting to expose this, and get the facts into a court of law, the Bush's and Cheney et al would be finished!
The Bush and Cheney Drug Empire
Both Bush and Kerry are sworn to secrecy and do not talk about Skull and Bones. Is their personal allegiance to Skull and Bones or to the American people? Should Bush and Kerry be allowed to be members of a highly secret organization, where many American Presidents and other high government officials and key business leaders come out of, without the American people knowing what this organization stands for? How can this be? Shouldn't the media be intensely questioning both Bush and Kerry about Skull and Bones, especially in the Presidential debates? Shouldn't the FBI, CIA and every other intelligence agency be investigating Skull and Bones on behalf of the American people to see "what is going on here?" And while they're at it, they could investigate the other connected "elite" secret societies, who have an agenda of "total world domination" and who exist all over the world >>>Illuminati, Bildebergers, Trilateral Commission, Committee of 300, Round Table, Club of Rome, Council of Foreign Relations etc. Forget that idea because the C.I.A., F.B.I and every other U.S. government agency is controlled by the Illuminati also. And to anyone who cannot bring themselves to begin to believe any of this, please take the time and put the names of each of these organizations into www.google.com and read about them to your amazement. Yes these connected "elite" secret societies of of a few extremely wealthy individuals really do exist and meet on a regular basis to pursue their quest for a One World Government, organized as a global fascist police State, ruled by a so-called "elitist" dictatorship!
Now let's take a look at the Illuminati "staged" Presidential debates and see how the American people allow themselves to be conned to believe that these debates are so important and have so much relevance to the outcome of the "election".
First and most important of all, the main question that the American people, the media and the moderator of the Presidential debates should be asking President Bush is: "who currently controls the multi-trillions of dollars of Iraqi oil?" We're talking about trillions of dollars here, a super amount of money that most people cannot even begin to comprehend. After all the war in Iraq is about oil.. Both Bush and Cheney are both oil men and are very closely connected to the major oil companies. Within a few weeks of Bush and Cheney taking office in 2001, Vice President Cheney was pushing forward for regime change in Iraq! After the U.S. military invaded and conquered Iraq, it was reported that Vice President Cheney's Haliburton Corporation was given control of all the Iraqi oil. How the trillions of dollars of Iraqi oil is being divided up amongst the major U.S. oil companies, while thousands of U.S.servicemen and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children are being killed and wounded in Iraq should probably be the main campaign issue. But the Illuminati "puppet" John Kerry in his campaign does not say ONE word about this criminal conflict of interest.
In early 2001, before 911, Vice President Cheney had secret meetings in his office with his "energy task force" and senior American oil company executives. To this day, Vice President Cheney has fought every court attempt to have him divulge the names of the people he met with at those meetings in 2001. This is not only suspicious, this is preposterous that the American people have not even been made aware of the seriousness of Cheney's actions, which more than likely was a catalyst for the war in Iraq! Cheney is suppose to be working for the best interests of the American people and not for the interests of a few huge oil companies. If Kerry was a "legitimate" candidate, this would be one of his main campaign issues>>>bringing this ridiculous situation to the attention of the American people and getting Cheney to divulge not only the names of the people he met with, but also what they were discussing? The price of OIL is in the news everyday. Oil just went to over $50 a barrel. There are actions that the President could take to help bring the price of oil down, like allowing millions of barrels of oil to be released from the hundreds of millions of barrels that are held in U.S. government reserves for national emergencies. Or whoever controls Iraqi oil could be pumping large amounts of Iraqi oil and shipping it to the U.S.A. or other countries to help bring the price down. Kerry could easily make this a campaign issue since Bush is not doing anything about this situation because the higher the price of oil, the more billions the Bush/Cheney connected oil companies make!. You cannot get anymore blatant than all of this to show you that Bush, Kerry and Cheney et al all work together for the benefit of the Illuminati/New World Order.Agenda.
In addition Kerry could say that he will hold investigations to see how Vice President Cheney's Haliburton Corporation was given control of the trillions of dollars of Iraqi oil. and also given billions of dollars of no-bid contracts during the "rebuilding" of the Iraq that Bush and Cheney destroyed. How sick can they be? Kerry could also say that he is going to have Bush's father's Carlyle Group and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld's Bechtel Corporation investigated for potential "conflicts of interest" for the multi billions of dollars in contracts that these companies have also received from the war in Iraq. Carlyle Group is one of the largest war companies in the world. The more war Bush Jr. makes, the more billions that Bush Sr.and the Bush family makes, which is a criminal conflict of interest.
Let's look at another important issue that Kerry could raise in his campaign, but doesn't In his campaign and in the debates, Kerry could point out that Kofi Anan, the Secretary General of the United Nations has recently declared the horrendous Iraqi war to be illegal. Kerry could be bashing Bush for illegally lying to start a multi-billion dollar "war for profit" in Iraq that has cost the lives of over 1000 American servicemen and over 7000 wounded, plus the killing and maiming of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi men women and children. This is treason and crimes against humanity on the part of Bush, Cheney et al., which Kerry or any courageous U.S.politician could point out, but they don't. If the war has been determined to be illegal, Kerry could be calling for Bush, Cheny et al to be removed from office for lying to the American people and the World in their quest for personal financial gain from the trillions of dollars of Iraqi oil and multi-billion dollar military and "rebuilding" contracts.
Kerry could say that if he's elected, he will call for an immediate "cease fire" and work with the Iraqi leadership all over their country along with other connected Allied Nations to stop this 'illegal war" and the killing asap and bring the American troops home within 6 months or less. With the billions of dollars that are being wasted and "stolen" in Iraq, this could be done, especially since the Iraqi people would love to see peace and an end to the occupation and killing of their family and friends by the American troops in their country However, remember as pointed out above, there are trillions of dollars of oil and billions of dollars of military and rebuilding contracts at stake here, so even if Kerry got elected, you will probably not see any pullout of American troops in Iraq anytime soon!
Kerry could be pointing out to the American people that it is very risky and not too smart to have a President who lies to start wars and who is in control of thousands of U.S.Weapons of Mass Destruction, more WMD's than all other Nations in the world combined. Kerry could say that there is the risk that Bush could lie again and again and start more and more "wars for profit", where you'll need so many soldiers to be used as " war fodder" by wealthy owners of oil and war corporations, that the U.S. will have to reinstate the draft. This could cost the lives of tens of thousands and maybe even hundreds of thousands of American young men who really don't want to die so Bush Sr's Carlyle Group and Vice President Cheney's Haliburton Corporation and other Bush government connected corporations could make even more multi-billions of dollars from more Bush wars!
But Kerry would never say any of these things because he's just another Illuminati "puppet" doing exactly what he is told to do. Plus after the fiasco in Florida in the 2000 election, many States rushed to buy billions of dollars of electronic voting machines to be used in elections. These electronic voting machines can be programmed to change votes with the click of a mouse and leave no paper trail showing this fraud. Hardly any States have put into place laws or safe guards that would prevent this potential criminal action. Since the election has been purposely maneuvered to be so close, it's even easier to control the outcome of the election in the U.S.A.! With a click of a mouse, the Illuminati could put in place whichever candidate they have already "chosen". There's only two possibilities, Bush or Kerry. This method is a lot less "messy" than what happened in Florida in the Illuminati controlled 2000 election.
Unfortunately for America and the world, the Illuminati win very election no matter which Democratic or Republican candidate wins. Both Kerry and Bush will do what they are told to do by the "elite" super rich Illuminati. It should be noted that the Illuminati use similar or other tactics in other Nations, in order to control those Nations too in the final quest of their "Great Work Of Ages" for total world control!
Lie, cheat and murder on a global scale - this is the satanic Illuminati way, unfortunately for humanity.
WAKE-UP ALL HUMAN BEINGS IN AMERICA AND THE WORLD!
Hopefully, more and more people will be able to see this blatant Illuminati manipulation taking place right in front of their very eyes? Only then can we stop them!
Yes, the rich and power associate with one another. That is hardly surprising.
Queen Elizabeth is of German descent - not from the Merovingian (Charlemagne) bloodline.
[edit on 9/24/05 by eeper69]
[edit on 26-9-2005 by Thomas Crowne]
Originally posted by Watchman77
Originally posted by eeper69
Various researchers, including,David Icke in his book "The Biggest Secret", point out that all 43 men who were Presidents of the U.S.A. are related, and that 33 of the Presidents can be traced back to the bloodline of Charlemagne, who in the year 800 was crowned by Pope Leo III to be Holy Roman Emperor, the first head of an empire that would last over 1000 years! This should be setting off major alarm bells in your mind. Like this is no coincidence. The odds of all 43 Presidents being related, and this just randomly happening, are billions to one.
Queen Elizabeth is of German descent - not from the Merovingian (Charlemagne) bloodline.
Originally posted by geekboy
The hole stute of libery symbol i hread some were else
Originally posted by DFconnerd
Maybe this will site clear a few things up.
All Secret Societies with secret grades of initiation are owned and controlled by the Illuminati, and Freemasonry is maybe the best known. The persons who control the societies and the Illuminati are occultists and black magicians. Their God is Lucifer. "The Light Bearer", and by occult practices they manipulate and influence the masses. It doesn't matter if you and I believe in this or not, as long as they do. And they take it very seriously.
Originally posted by questions2u
There are high level masons/illuminati that are preparing themselves to come forward
To all masons here on the many threads,I say thank-you,for allowing us to read and assess your answers/statements.If masons are truthful,then in the end this will be proven.If they are the deceptive/cunning powerful elite,then this truth will eventually surface.The truth will eventually be known.