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Could homosexuality be our Earth's defense mechanism?

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posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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I know it sounds crazy, but imagine the idea for a moment. Homosexuality can be traced back to the Greeks and even before. It although cannot be argued that it is becoming increasingly more accepted. Is it because more people are being born gay, or is it more people are just coming ot and admitting to their inner desires?

Imagine that it is the latter, and more people are being born gay. Why? Is it because we have put it into mainsteam and children are exposed to it at crucial development stages? I would say maybe. But my point for this thread is to ask the question; could our Earth be doing this to us? If we are part of the Earth, and everything is connected, the Earth could only be defending itself against our blatant misuse of our planet. Now our planet is finding a way to get rid of us, or maybe just controlling the population from getting irreversable detrimental. Anyway, if I haven't made it clear yet, is the earth capable of causing the evolution of our species to transform over thousands of years?




posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 05:49 PM
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If the earth was trying to get rid of us, couldnt it just make us be born sterile?

Being a homosexual by no means takes away our ability to procreate. If I wanted to have children, I could. Being gay doesnt prevent my ability to do so.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 05:52 PM
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All it could be according to me, is dealing with a serious population control area problem.

Dallas



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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Homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality... its just a form of birth control. It happens in the animal kingdom too. It is ignorant religions that have turned it into something evil.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by xander68
If the earth was trying to get rid of us, couldn't it just make us be born sterile?

Being a homosexual by no means takes away our ability to procreate. If I wanted to have children, I could. But most likely a gay couple would not, unless adopt.


I kind of agree with the premise of the thread, I don't think its earth that is doing it.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 06:00 PM
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I seriously doubt that such a plan would work, if indeed this was some Earthly conspiricy to take us out.

Our diversity is not a weakness, in fact, it's one of our major survival tools. Some people are white, some are black and some are in between. Some are straight and some are gay for a very good reason. It insures the survival of our species. No single bug or bacteria or organism has the ability to kill us all.

With the possible exception of ourselves of course.

Remember that all the potatos in Ireland were taken from a single cutting, therefore all were geneticly identical. One blight destroyed them all and caused the famine that sent most of the Irish, including my ancestors, to America.

Our differances are a strength, not a weakness and for damn sure nothing we should be fighting over. This fact alone shows just how stupid racism actually is.

There is only one race, the human race, and were all in it together whether you like it or not.

Love and light,

Wupy

I had to edit to clarify.

[edit on 24-9-2005 by mrwupy]



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by mrwupy
if indeed this was some Earthly conspiracy to take us out.


Not at all to take us out, population control.

Its chaos at work.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 07:44 PM
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We are all very fortunate that the Earth does not have a mind, and cannot react to such a thing as society. We just get bad storms and quakes everynow and then.

There are more people now then there were thousands of years ago. People nowadays are also not being placed in forced marriages at the age of 14. They're being allowed to actually grow up and NOT conform to whatever roles their parents try and place them in.



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 04:01 PM
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I've always considered it to be nature's population control. I think the number of gay people will rise in the future.



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 07:20 PM
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It isn't a bad thing if it was to be true. It would legitimize the claim that homosexulity is natural. If the world saw it this was it would just be accepted. It would make sense to control the population in this way, considering we are not. Because too much of anything is going to kill you. Our planet may have more foresight than we can comprehend. When I say planet, I mean the "process" of life, and our purpose within this process.



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Willow_Dryad
Homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality... its just a form of birth control. It happens in the animal kingdom too. It is ignorant religions that have turned it into something evil.


Because obviously animals arent born with deformailities and they are perfect, so they are a great example to base this on


Ever consider the fact that these animals arent homosexual, and are simply horny, my dog screws pillows what sex is he?

[edit on 25-9-2005 by C0le]



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by mrwupy
Our diversity is not a weakness, in fact, it's one of our major survival tools. Some people are white, some are black and some are in between. Some are straight and some are gay for a very good reason. It insures the survival of our species. No single bug or bacteria or organism has the ability to kill us all.


Diversity is the key to longterm survival
I am curious though, are you leaning towards genetic differences in homosexuals versus a behavioral? Just curious as I have yet to see evidence that is convincing either way.

The potato famine was spot on and that why groups are working to preserve "heratige" seed in the even something comes around a wipes out a specisis. Banana's are facing just such a threat.



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 08:20 PM
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The more gays the marrier. Leaves more woman for me.



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by FredT

Diversity is the key to longterm survival
I am curious though, are you leaning towards genetic differences in homosexuals versus a behavioral? Just curious as I have yet to see evidence that is convincing either way.


Though I do believe genetics plays a large part in whether one is homosexual or not, I also don't believe its important in the context of a civil society.

Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness does not have any clauses that say except for, these groups.

I quite frankly do not care if some one is gay or lesbian. They have the exact same right to seek out happiness as someone who is republican with a shy kidney.

I believe our diversity is a protection mechanism, the reason behind that is something you'll have to discuss with your creator. My creator says she created it because she has a sense of humor.


Love and light,

Wupy



posted on Sep, 26 2005 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Willow_Dryad
Homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality... its just a form of birth control. It happens in the animal kingdom too. It is ignorant religions that have turned it into something evil.


It only happens to animals that are placed in captivity whereupon in addition to homosexuality will develop other abnormalities such as mental illness and what have you. You must remember Humans and a couple of others are the only animals that have sex for pleasure.

Read Desmond Morris' book, Human Zoo. It deals with the effects of our new social structure and how it effects us mentally. He speaks of homosexuality as malimprinting and that it is received at a very young age and is not reversable in most cases.



posted on Sep, 26 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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Hi Coronamoz:

Actually, no.

Homosexual behaviour is widely practiced "in the wild" (i.e. in Nature) although this is a fact which is generally kept from most people who choose not to look or examine it clinically, or with anything like an open mind.

All that biblical and other cultural prejudice seems to come into play in documentary producers which have to deal at times with some non-standard (and often unexpeted!) sexual behaviour of terran animals--which can really scare off advertisers in a big hurry especially in the US.

Many species of Birds, e.g. Doves, for example mate for life, and sometimes homosexually---either two men or two women but they stay together as a couple once the pairing is decided. Period. No cages needed. In the Wild.

The incidence of homosexual behaviour (but not "homosexuality") in higher mammals jumps as you progress towards homo sapiens sapiens, e.g. in two male rams who fight (knocking their horns by jumping towards each other at the same time, which rituals are generally followed by anal intercourse, the dominant male sheep (ram) mounting the submissive male (i.e. another ram) in full penetration until ejaculation is completed.

The male sheep (rams) that participate in such homosexual activities for the most part still engage in heterosexual activities with willing females of their own species, so they are not "gay" in the sense that they choose a "lifestyle" and stick to it for life, as with many modern humans.

Despite the beautiful footage of such ramming activities (where the horns are "butted" by the rams jumping towards each other facing each other), few documentaries leave the camera rolling to show the anal intercourse which often (but not always) follows such activity, e.g. in Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom back in the 1970s.

Back in those days, the camera stopped and it was on to the next species...and I doubt whether any soccer moms out there would allow their darlings to witness nature in the wild (especially in colour !)

Again, no cages or confinement is required when these homosexual acts are committed in the wild, i.e. in Nature e.g. with the Rams: the acts are not purely sexual but are part of a larger power play between males within a given area of turf.

Similar sex-between males-as-male-dominance-power plays ("homo sex" but not "homosexuality" in the more human-bonding sense)are also found widely practiced ("in the wild" ) among higher hominids e.g. orangutans, monkeys, gorillas and chimpanzees, and has nothing to do with being enclosed or confined, although one would imagine that confinement would cause an increase in sexually expressed turf wars by its very fact of the limited area to claim as male turf.

Humans also act out their own complex power plays, but it seems to be a more complex issue than with the higher mammals who may not think such acts would be ritually "taboo" as say the ancient Israelites seemed to have believed (Heb. Toqebah, "that which is ritually hateful to the god")....



posted on Sep, 26 2005 @ 06:27 PM
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I didn't mean for this to be a forum to justify homosexuality as right or wrong. But for those who are thinking it is a natural thing run into the same problem. If homosexuality is natural? Why is the consumation of the relationship into an oraphace that is full of bacteria and not meant for intrusion? Also, if it is God's natural plan, why does STDs pass along at a higher rate through homosexual consumation? And I'm not sure about all of you, so I keep this statement true to only me. I have befriended many homosexuals, I have even been roomates with one. Actually some of the most interesting people I've met were gay. The only problem that is consistent in all these people are that they have deeper quirks on a majority than I'd say a straigh person woiuld have. Alot of them have divulged their inner demons, which again seems to be a consistency. All I'm saying is that Homosexuality is a touchy subject, and natural or unnatural, it is all god's plan, and we need to treat eacj other all the same. Because as we all know, ye without sin cast the first stone.



posted on Sep, 26 2005 @ 09:00 PM
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NEOAMADEUS -
so are you are saying that mankind has no obligation to act differently than animals??? what is your point otherwise? black widows eat their mates! is this something that humans would be justified in doing also?
just because a behavior comes naturally (even if a genetic predisposition exists), there is NO LOGIC to say that that specific action is therefore lawful/good/moral.

AnAbsoluteCreation -
so called "christian" leaders murder all the time. does this mean that it is earth's defense mechanism as well?
or is is that human nature (and animal nature) at it's core is simply selfish/self-destructive?
what then to think of those who act in a self destructive manner? well, let me ask this... would it be better that a homosexual was straight, but slept with every person of the opposite sex that they could? or is that worse? possibly equal?... since they are human as we all are.
how should self destructive people be treated?
with kindness, and correction. if correction is refused, then BACK OFF and treat them with kindness and peace.
daved



posted on Sep, 26 2005 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Why is the consumation of the relationship into an oraphace that is full of bacteria and not meant for intrusion? Also, if it is God's natural plan, why does STDs pass along at a higher rate through homosexual consumation?


Well first off, not only homosexuals practice anal sex. Secondly, the penis and the vagina have their own share of bacteria and other germies, so the so called normal way has its issues too, sparky.

Now for the second part.. "Gods plan". I think the rate of STDs among homosexual men has nothing to do with any plan. I think it has more to do with men & sex. We all know men are more apt to be promiscuous than females. Its part of the male sex drive. The only thing that keeps most men in check is the females. In a man/man relationship there is no one there to do that. I know many male/male couples that are in open relationships, because they like it that way. Toss in all the single gay men that have sex on first dates, or even anonymous sex , and the amount of contact between multiple partners spirals. The more sex you have with different people, the higher rate of STD exposure.

It has nothing to do with Gods plan, punishment for going against said plan, or evil gay teletubbies carrying purses. All that comes from misguided thinking.

I truly believe God could care less who we have sex with. I am sure there are more pressing problems to worry a diety with on this earth.



posted on Sep, 27 2005 @ 02:48 AM
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Xander,

I'm sorry, but from a litigation point of view, your arguement is reaching to say the least. Slow down for a second, Penis + Vagina + Baby = Purpose, Penis + butt + homosexuality = General uncertainty

I don't have an ethical problem with Homosexuality because like this thread suggests, it could be as natural as evolution. But to try and say that in our traditional 2 + 2 = 4 understanding of nature, penis in butt has no place.

[edit on 27-9-2005 by AnAbsoluteCreation]



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