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NEWS: Bush Declares War on Porn

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posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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To be honest, the day I come across a porn movie called:

"Praise Allah or Die Infidal", I'll just pay for a hooker...




posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 04:26 PM
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-sorry for double posting---

[edit on 2005-9-23 by NuTroll]



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 04:27 PM
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i think this has nothing to do with porn and everything about pretending belief as a front to regulate the net, while at the same time boosting ratings among the evangelicals.



[edit on 2005-9-23 by NuTroll]



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 04:45 PM
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'A' typical "It's Bush's fault," as par and evident within the comments made within this topic. This is old news anyhow and has been in the works for quite some time.

Enlighten yourselves because the war on porn is a Democrat effort to reach out to conservative voters....



The Internet Safety and Child Protection Act, sponsored by Democratic Senator Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, would establish strict age verification requirements for access to pornography Web sites and a federal “smut tax” of 25 percent to fund efforts to protect children from inappropriate material—and sexual predators—online.

According to a new study by Third Way, a progressive strategy firm that consults Democrats on ways to reach out to more conservative voters, there are over 420 million pornography websites on the Internet, compared to just 14 million in 1998, Although technology exists to prevent minors from accessing the pornographic Web sites, only 3 percent of these sites use the technology.

Senator Wages War On Online Porn





seekerof



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 05:10 PM
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Good link, Seekerof.

I agree that this is not a partisan issue. Everyone knows who Tipper Gore is and what her big issues are/were. If her hubby had been elected, this "war" would already be in full-swing. The Dems are just as hypocritical in this regard.

Seems to me that controlling porn is entirely about controlling people. Freedom is over, IMO. Most people just don't know it yet. Frankly, they can have my erection when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 05:28 PM
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A war on porn always seems surface when either party is looking for issues to boister their flagging poll numbers. It never works, in fact it hurts in the polls cause even the evangelicals have their little stash of nasty, nasty. The Gorchs/Gannon scandle in the whitehouse wasn't entirely overlooked by Falwell and Robertson.

It looks on the outside that America is in the throes of a neo-victorian era but the illusion is so thin; it's a subject for comedy in the clubs. Almost no one with any awareness at all buys into the "Cleaver" mythos portrayed by the Whitehouse.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 07:34 PM
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Regenmacher

That is exactly what it comes to mind they either are not getting enough revenues from the porn industry, or they want to take over the industry, or the Republican party is not getting enough donations from the porn industry.


Like Clinton and the Democrats tried to do to Microsoft. Right?



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 07:47 PM
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I'm so thrilled. Politicians have declared yet another war on their own constituents! Goody!

This is so not a partisan issue. Both sides will stick it to whomever they can in order to advance themselves and the businesses of their backers.

If you don't want your kids looking at porn, don't leave them unattended with the internet, or take it upon yourself to appropriate the necessary filters and software controls. It's really not at all difficult for parents to get involved with their childrens' development. The porno industry isn't responsible for raising the children of America, that job falls to the parents. Sorry.

I hate the lack of personal responsibility I see in the world, and specifically in America (since that's where I live I see it happening the most here, but I'm almost sure it's the case almost everywhere). People need to stop delegating responsibility, start taking it, and leave everyone else alone to do the same.

I will continue to do what I want, regardless of whether I'm the unwitting target of yet another taxpayer funded, government organized prosecution of individual freedom. The war on drugs was such a huge success after all, why shouldn't the government branch out?

Coming soon, the war on shoes for women, and the war on electric shavers (they offend Jesus, according to some extremists). Maybe one day, when Jesus himself comes, all the 'good' people can wage a war against all the filthy subhumans who have the audacity to make their own decisions.

I mean, c'mon...

Isn't this persecution of freedom of information offensive to the majority?

Is this stuff happening because reasonable, sensible people don't spend their lives writing letters of complaint to the government?

Why does America continue to allow itself to be led by the nose at the hands of a very few vocal, irrational, unreasonable, hateful, vengeful, controlling, selfish, and deluded maniacs?

Why?

I don't know. All I know is the ring in our nose is dependence. Those who depend on the source of their misery will never be free of it.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 08:11 PM
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The basic issue is that porn is far too profitable

www.toptenreviews.com...

"US porn revenue exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC (6.2 billion)"

" Pornography revenue is larger than all combined revenues of all profession football, baseball and basketball franchise"

What better way to get a cut of all that dough than to turn up the heat and get some extra lobbyist's in washington.

Which kinda makes ya wonder who's gonna disclose their "porn lobbyists"
campaign contributions.


That'll be a fun stat to watch.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 08:24 PM
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my jenny doesn't surf the net, I was just pointing out your pov changes when you have a little girl.

those actresses aren't ladies with a healthy libido and expensive taste.

many of them are survivors of abuse, and die young.

its protected under free speech, but I wouldn't mind it going away.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 09:35 PM
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my jenny doesn't surf the net, I was just pointing out your pov changes when you have a little girl.


I wasn't singling you out or attacking you, or telling you personally how to raise your kid. I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

I just want parents in general to take responsibility for the lives of their children, and for the experiences that shape their lives.



those actresses aren't ladies with a healthy libido and expensive taste.


They're not really actresses, in my opinion. No offense to the ladies, but their job is a fair sight easier than that of their male counterparts. Maintaining an erection under the glare of the studio lights while you're getting barked at by the director is not an easy task.

I think this is part of what accounts for the pay differential between male and female 'stars' in the world of adult films.



many of them are survivors of abuse, and die young.


The same can be said for any number of other demographics, up to and including convenience store employees.

We live in a sick, often sad world. I think it's best to confront that head on, and deal with the disease instead of the symptoms. Treating symptoms only masks the condition, it doesn't cure it.

I think art imitates life, not the other way around. Not that porn is art, but you get the point I think.



its protected under free speech, but I wouldn't mind it going away.


Lots of people wouldn't mind. Lots would. We just have to learn to get along and not step on everyone else's toes during the course of our life in this society. I think it's best to leave people to their own devices. No pun intended.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 02:17 AM
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Well, it seems they are concentrating on prosecuting "hard core pornography", such as rapes being filmed, bestiality, etc, etc.

From that same article the original poster submitted you can read the following.


"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry.


Excerpted from.
www.washingtonpost.com...

Even though i do agree that some forms of porn shouldn't even exist, such as rapes being filmed, etc, I don't think we should be using any manpower for this. They should be using these agents to find more Islamic extremist cells, and other extremist cells in the US that want to attack the US.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 02:26 AM
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Even though i do agree that some forms of porn shouldn't even exist, such as rapes being filmed, etc, I don't think we should be using any manpower for this. They should be using these agents to find more Islamic extremist cells, and other extremist cells in the US that want to attack the US.

Whereas there have probably been rapes filmed, none of them would be sold as pornography except maybe out of some guy's trunk. Chances are that our existing vice squad cops would find a sicko like that.

Porn is acting, filmed for entertainment purposes, and not real. If the actors are adults, there's no victim and therefore no crime. Certainly no need for a "war". Besides, porn will always exist, as has been said. Any attempt to fight it is motivated by power and nothing more.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
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Porn is acting, filmed for entertainment purposes, and not real. If the actors are adults, there's no victim and therefore no crime. Certainly no need for a "war". Besides, porn will always exist, as has been said. Any attempt to fight it is motivated by power and nothing more.


I don't know if you noticed....but I did say that i don't think we should be using manpower to prosecute this. There are other issues that are more important right now, and even after those issues are solved i still think that they have gone a bit too far with this.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 04:15 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
Porn is acting, filmed for entertainment purposes, and not real. If the ctors are adults, there's no victim and therefore no crime. Certainly no need for a "war". Besides, porn will always exist, as has been said. Any attempt to fight it is motivated by power and nothing more.

Not real? What?? First it was wrestling, and now porn isn't real?

Where's my blankee?



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 09:35 AM
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I don't know if you noticed....but I did say that i don't think we should be using manpower to prosecute this.

Yes, I did. I just think most people have more disinfo about sex and also filmed sex than actual factual info. I have seen lots of porn, and never once have I seen an actual rape on film. There are staged videos of that sort, yes, but all made by consensual adults. No worries, Muaddib. We're on the same page.

Part of my cynical response is because there is no better way to control humans than through their normal urges. The point boils down like this: The more righteous and puritanical America becomes, the more separated from reality it becomes. These righteous crusaders have always existed, but I always thought Americans were smart enough to resist them. "Nipplegate" actually taught me a lot more about America than stacks of books.

What hypocrites who hide behind their children! The human cycle of hypocracy seems to kick into high gear right around the time someone becomes a parent. Suddenly they become righteous about "making the world safe for kids!" when in fact, kids are not affected by porn. Even if somehow, a child happens to view the weird porn like your quote mentions, they'd surely be grossed out. I see little danger there.

Having a child see a murder victim screaming causes a far deeper and more insidious mental image than if they see somebody defacating on someone else (unlikely). Images of death and killing are seen all the time on TV and cable (except for real war footage, of course), but that's all good and fine because no administration wants to create Americans who aren't polarized toward killing. Desensitizing kids toward killing and death is American policy. What we need is a war against killing.

Basically, if little Johnny grows up to be a soldier who's a stone-cold killer for country, but who feels guilty for jerking off, the American moralists have succeeded in creating their ultimate tool. That's my point.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry.

Sounds like Ted Bundy got what he wanted, lol. He tried blaming violent pornography and now look what happaned.



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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I blame porn for things all the time. it works fairly well.

why were you late?

porn


why is that report not on my desk?

porn


why don't you love me anymore?

porn


go ahead. try it out. it's fun



posted on Sep, 24 2005 @ 11:35 PM
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The only thing that this might do is to drive the porn industry back underground, which would raise prices and increase their profits.



posted on Sep, 25 2005 @ 12:01 AM
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Well, Good Luck Uncle Sam, you have been around for 230 some odd years, and explicit artwork has been around since oh 28,000 years ago.
news.bbc.co.uk...
Even when threatened with beheading, pornographers in China created nasty little frescos hidden cleverly in enclaves on the bottoms of vases and such. Of course the more "civilized" the society, the more rhetorical, and impossible the morality issues becomes as the simple fact remains that people like to scrogg, we like to look at scrogging, and our anthropological history shows inarguably, that we always have.

Of course terrorism is at the root of this new initiative, because you'd hate to think it was a Lame Duck's political payoff right wing chritstian interests.


www.juliandibbell.com...
TWO WEEKS AGO USA Today broke the shocking news that Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization has infiltrated the world's supply of Web porn, hiding messages for its global operatives deep within the digits of pictures posted on Godless Western triple-X sites.





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